posted December 30, 2015 03:16 PM              

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
I wouldn't even take it that far. Actually the aspect means that you'll,face a lot of barriers when it come to your ambitions (Mars) but as long as you persist on and don't give up, you'll do fine.

Self-destruction is more of a 12th house/Neptune issue.

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Umm, yes.

What I meant though, is that harnessing your Mars in line with the Saturnian principles of discipline, persistence et al, can unlock its potential.

If there's nothing (internal or otherwise) to struggle against, sometimes one may not be motivated enough to push oneself beyond one's boundaries. That latent power remains untapped, if things come easily.

Yes, the Mars may very well be a successful go-getter in either case. It may be a reasonably persistent, hard working *yada yada yada* one on its own too. But, having Saturn bringing obstacles at every step makes it go the extra mile.

posted December 30, 2015 03:56 PM            

Its painful and almost ruins my entire chart.
Im sending you this link in case you're interested to know how it feels.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IY9xyHLluPg

posted December 30, 2015 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
This is kinda fatalistic.

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Shrug

Of course there are benefits to any aspect, hard or easy. This aspect is not so much self-defeating in a Neptunian way as it is repressing Martian energy by putting limitations on its expression.

Saturn tries to control Mars, but Mars is spontaneous and energetic, whilst Saturn is traditionally dry, logical, level-headed. I've also seen this play out romantically, causing a struggle with intimacy- they often play the role of Mars and pursue someone Saturnian.

posted December 30, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Great thread
I dont know about the worst but in my opinion moon-SN conjunction can be extremelly difficult.

Its painful and almost ruins my entire chart.
Im sending you this link in case you're interested to know how it feels.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IY9xyHLluPg

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I am super surprised at this. I would think you would be super self accepting

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posted December 30, 2015 04:35 PM            

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posted December 30, 2015 04:39 PM            

Anyone can add more aspects, just please explain why or it is just a list.

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posted December 30, 2015 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I don't count out of sign aspects. Some astrologers do but not me.

FR, what house axis does the square fall?

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I don't know what do you mean by it, I'm not knowledgeable on the 'axis' 'thingy' or astrology in general. .

I have Square Sun-Pluto
< 97°29'> 3Psc00 - 25Sco31
Pluto in IV house,
Sun in VII,

Square Saturn-Pluto
> 86°51'< 22Aqr22 - 25Sco31
Saturn in VI,

posted December 30, 2015 04:42 PM            

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posted December 30, 2015 04:42 PM            

Every time I've met someone with Sun/Chiron or Moon/Chiron or even Venus/Chiron they've been.. really poisonous to me? As if they had a lot of bad experiences in their past relationships and thus have zero coping mechanisms for negative emotions they're experiencing? Rather than swallowing the feeling or calmly talking through the negative sentiment, they'll instead verbally take it out on me saying TERRIBLE things that will stick out in my mind for years as abusive.

It's been many years since I've experienced this aspect in a person, however, recently I decided to Facebook some old high school friends where I felt trauma still lingered between us. Lo and behold, when I put in their birth data, they would have Chiron conjunct a personal planet.

This Cancerian full Moon in particular really got me thinking about my paternal aunt and how she had a way of "cutting through me" with her actions, and voila.. Venus conjunct Chiron.

posted December 30, 2015 05:08 PM            

I dont have a formed opinion about past lives.
I just think he did a great job describing the effects.

posted December 30, 2015 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I know a Pluto Moon square and its rough on her. Her emotions don't just go to 11, they're stuck on 11.

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Major props for quoting Spinal Tap and making me LOLz, but for realz- I have this, and it's true. In fact, to answer the original Q of what aspects are hardest and why...

Mars conjunct Saturn conjunct Pluto in third house Libra squaring a Cancer 12th house moon (I've posted about this before)

Luckily the signs are helping me out some, but anything squaring the moon is JUST awful for what it does to ones sense of well being. I suffered MAJOR (can't emphasize that enough) depression when I was younger and my energy is pretty non-existent. I could still get depressed easily if I let myself, but I've learned how to not go there.

posted December 30, 2015 05:33 PM            

I've always had a very nice relationship with my mom but she and my father really did mess up with me and my siblings emotionally when they got divorced. Luckily, they have a very healthy relationship now, I was able to forgive them for all the pain they cause us.

I think any Sun/Saturn aspect could be difficult for the father/child relationship, I have a trine and I grew up without my father, but we are great now.

Chiron in the First could cause physical deformities, I grew up very ashamed of my body even when I have a harmonious one.

Excuse my English.

posted December 30, 2015 05:34 PM            

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posted December 30, 2015 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Oh missed your new comment.

I dont have a formed opinion about past lives.
I just think he did a great job describing the effects.

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So, you can really relate to it, ES. Could it be something else that aspects your moon.
List all the aspects less than 5 degrees, if you want.

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posted December 30, 2015 05:41 PM              

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Shrug

Of course there are benefits to any aspect, hard or easy. This aspect is not so much self-defeating in a Neptunian way as it is repressing Martian energy by putting limitations on its expression.

Saturn tries to control Mars, but Mars is spontaneous and energetic, whilst Saturn is traditionally dry, logical, level-headed. I've also seen this play out romantically, causing a struggle with intimacy- they often play the role of Mars and pursue someone Saturnian.

Squares in general make a person accomplish more. On the bright side, this aspect can give a lot of staying power and mental strength.

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Its always easy to be indifferently fatalistic about aspects we don't ourselves possess, isn't it. *smirk*

posted December 30, 2015 06:35 PM            

I would not say it's the worst because there is a hidden benefit to being able to heal yourself and others from losing their tempers.

My father and sister have Venus square Pluto. That's a tough aspect as both of them have been unlucky in love and have experienced a tremendous amount of pain from relationships.

posted December 30, 2015 06:37 PM            

True dat

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posted December 30, 2015 06:41 PM              

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think Moon square Pluto and Venus square Pluto. Mars square Pluto. Pretty much anything square Pluto.

Because it is indicative of very negative experiences.

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posted December 30, 2015 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:

Its always easy to be indifferently fatalistic about aspects we don't ourselves possess, isn't it. *smirk*

People with it tend to accomplish much more than those who do not, so I'm not worried.

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Every time I've met someone with Sun/Chiron or Moon/Chiron or even Venus/Chiron they've been.. really poisonous to me? As if they had a lot of bad experiences in their past relationships and thus have zero coping mechanisms for negative emotions they're experiencing? Rather than swallowing the feeling or calmly talking through the negative sentiment, they'll instead verbally take it out on me saying TERRIBLE things that will stick out in my mind for years as abusive.

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^I think people with hard Chiron aspects are defensive. It's like when you bring something up harmlessly, but it reminds them of painful memories and they react out-of-proportion to the situation.

I would also add-
•Moon sq Saturn- troubles with intimacy  (Marilyn Monroe had this aspect)

posted December 30, 2015 11:03 PM              

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Well.. I'm lame and one of those people that think ~all aspects have hidden beauty in them~ but, I must say, I get a little uneasy whenever I see Chiron conjunct a personal planet in someone's natal chart (a "personal" planet being any planet that ranges from the Sun through Mars).

Every time I've met someone with Sun/Chiron or Moon/Chiron or even Venus/Chiron they've been.. really poisonous to me? As if they had a lot of bad experiences in their past relationships and thus have zero coping mechanisms for negative emotions they're experiencing? Rather than swallowing the feeling or calmly talking through the negative sentiment, they'll instead verbally take it out on me saying TERRIBLE things that will stick out in my mind for years as abusive.

It's been many years since I've experienced this aspect in a person, however, recently I decided to Facebook some old high school friends where I felt trauma still lingered between us. Lo and behold, when I put in their birth data, they would have Chiron conjunct a personal planet.

This Cancerian full Moon in particular really got me thinking about my paternal aunt and how she had a way of "cutting through me" with her actions, and voila.. Venus conjunct Chiron.

One of the most interesting observations I've made lately.

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Hm. I will have to look through the charts I have, and see if anyone I feel deeply hurt by has this aspect.