posted January 11, 2016 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Pisces Moon is a hard placement yes, but I thought we were talking about aspects?

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True. But it's bound to form aspects, or be unaspected, and kinda difficult either way.

posted January 11, 2016 03:27 PM            

Uranus conjunct the NN helps to explain your vibe on here lol

What are the aspects to it?

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posted January 11, 2016 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
Chiron in the 10th, you just end up hating society and most people in the end due to not being able to get a stable job. Or you just end up hating yourself for who you are.

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YES, this is what I find. Can I add this to some of my articles, N, because you say it so succinctly!

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posted September 23, 2019 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Well.. I'm lame and one of those people that think ~all aspects have hidden beauty in them~ but, I must say, I get a little uneasy whenever I see Chiron conjunct a personal planet in someone's natal chart (a "personal" planet being any planet that ranges from the Sun through Mars).

Every time I've met someone with Sun/Chiron or Moon/Chiron or even Venus/Chiron they've been.. really poisonous to me? As if they had a lot of bad experiences in their past relationships and thus have zero coping mechanisms for negative emotions they're experiencing? Rather than swallowing the feeling or calmly talking through the negative sentiment, they'll instead verbally take it out on me saying TERRIBLE things that will stick out in my mind for years as abusive.

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the things you find when trawling through the old posts...but

WOW....this is profound reading for me! I was involved with someone for 10 years with moon sq chiron and he was so verbally abusive, it created a lot of unnecessary pain.

posted September 23, 2019 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by starstruck1:
the things you find when trawling through the old posts...but

WOW....this is profound reading for me! I was involved with someone for 10 years with moon sq chiron and he was so verbally abusive, it created a lot of unnecessary pain.

He also had sun and moon sq pluto....harsh.

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The latter configuration shows the temperament problem, tendency to dominance and excessive will, forcefulness -- not Moon square Chiron. No asteroid can ever be part of the 'worst' aspect in anyone's chart because no asteroid is as strong an influence as the weakest or most distant planet. (I was born with Moon square Chiron and am a pretty even tempered person even with my irritabilities.)

I don't normally like answering these sort of reductionist inquiries for 'best' or 'worst' single factors. However, based on my detailed scrutiny of hundreds and hundreds of charts and receiving personal biographies from countless clients, I will give an answer. Of course, it won't be to name one factor.

However, I will put it this way: the 'worst', most challenging aspect for anyone is having a tight, hard aspect between Mars or Saturn and Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars. But there is a qualifier for that and what I'm about to say about other planetary aspects, namely that what is truly worse is not having someone early in life to help you outgrow such tendencies, whatever they may be (depending on the planet). If the parents and adults around the person only exacerbate the tendencies inherent in the hard/challenging aspect then it gets amplified. A parent/guardian who brings self-awareness to the person and supports their need to change can make all the difference, even if that change is still difficult and takes a long time.

The most difficult and problematic aspect(s) to have that indicates serious temperament problems to overcome is something like what starstruck1 just mentioned: luminaries both in hard aspect to Pluto (or Mars). Sun is the primary influence with each of us, Moon second, then Mars. So squares, oppositions, or conjoined luminary contra-parallels with Mars show the ego and habituated reactions are a bit too stuck at a stage of development that chooses a heavy hand over finesse, because finesse hasn't been practiced enough and learned.

We often think of Saturn as the 'greater malefic', but it also promotes sincerity and the need to meet a higher standard. Its hard aspects with any of the personal planets can be quite difficult, but in my view the situation in which it becomes the worst kind of influence is when there is a lack of spirituality and friendships to keep the person connected; when sternness and judgment settle into hardened attitudes.

So truly, the 'worst' is only in how you use it, whatever tough aspect or configuration it may be.

A hard aspect with tight alignment between Mars and Pluto (conjunction, parallel, square, opposition) can be nearly as problematic as luminaries with Mars. Similarly problematic with the same kind of tight alignments between Mars and Uranus.

The problem with Mars/Pluto's hard aspects to the luminaries is that there is over-reliance on will power as an extension of the ego of the person, creating blindness as to the effects of their behavior on others and its consequences to themselves. It's even worse when the person experiences success using these tactics; there is no motivation to change.

The problem with hard tight aspects between Mars-Pluto is that there is a misalignment pattern between action and the person's unconscious craving for power: great difficulty living moderately and at peace because of a (subconscious) sense that survival is attached to dominance or violence; there is innate rebellion not always noticeable on the surface, but the person can crave battles of will that will create long-lasting problems with intimates and familials. It can be like ******** in your own nest psychically speaking. Little consideration is given to consequences due to an invincibility complex that they won't be stopped or will simply do battle with opponents and win at all cost.

With hard tight aspects between Mars-Uranus the person has misalignment with ego/action and the liberation of the higher mind because of a skewed notion of independence and the more palpable energy of Mars cutting of the higher mental process or openness needed to conduct Uranian energy in a positive way. Similar to Mars-Pluto's hard aspects, it indicates the tendency to act with little consideration to the real consequences of their behavior, so when things get tough the person tends to check out and leave others hanging in crisis.

If one of these aspects is in the chart, but not so tight, and there is another similar aspect like Pluto square Asc, then similar temperament and inner struggles can get externalized in a regrettable way.

These can be overcome, of course. And what I'm speaking about are the aspects when they are at their tightest: a parallel or contra-parallel only several minutes of arc from exact; a conjunction, square, or opposition that is partile (within 1°). But these aspects can still be very problematic even when they're not real tight. It takes real humility with self-awareness to change these patterns and it can take a long time. I've seen people make the effort to change from these kinds of aspects, but often it is after participating in years of suffering or violence.

The single best foundation upon which to deal with these hard aspects by Mars/Pluto to luminaries (or Uranus) is commitment to non-violence; secondly, learning to control outbursts of temper; thirdly, to learn how to channel such abundant passions back into the core purpose of our existence -- creative efforts.

posted September 23, 2019 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Apart from the ones already listed, I think Nessus conjunct Sun is pretty harsh.

Nessus is abuse, and what it touches is where the abuse is (could be) directed at. To a small or large extent, or not at all, depending on the individual's tendency for violence. (If one is not disturbed or violent or angst-ridden to begin with, then the effects probably won't be felt). When it touches someone else's planets, the abuse (emotional, physical, whatever) may be directed there.

If it's conjunct the native's own sun, it manifests as self-abuse. I know three people with this, one is a close friend. She cuts herself. Or used to, anyway.

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i have nessus conjunct sun, have a long history of substance abuse issues and points where i havent really given a **** about anything and been self destructive

it's all definitely self directed

other **** mentioned here:
mars square saturn and hard aspects to chiron i've seen in action with my ex fiancee (she has her sun conjunct uranus and saturn and all of that is opposite her chiron and then she also has mars and jupiter opposite chiron, her mars and jupiter also square her sun and uranus in addition to her saturn) and she has a venus pluto exact conjunction (in scorpio she also has mercury in scorpio at 29 degrees square mars)

she's both inwardly and outwardly destructive and has no qualms about destroying herself and others (she tends to have elaborate plans to hurt other people even friends and coworkers "just in
case" and thinks everyone is jealous of and out to get her)

edit: her venus/pluto is also square her ascendant and she has moon square neptune as well

posted September 23, 2019 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Unfortunately, I have to agree. I've got my neptune square my mars/moon conjunction. Excessive daydreaming. Gives me a very good imagination though. Sometimes I have to second guess myself and make sure I'm thinking in terms of reality instead of my imagination. Gives me a bit of a Pisces influence, IMO.

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Would you say the same about Moon square Neptune, Uranus, and Chiron? I know someone with all three squares. She has some serious self-doubts and is the most self-critical. Her Pluto is also squaring her MC and she's been unable to hold down a job long-term because of other people's sabotages. (I'd like to help her overcome the squares if possible!)

posted September 23, 2019 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Well.. I'm lame and one of those people that think ~all aspects have hidden beauty in them~ but, I must say, I get a little uneasy whenever I see Chiron conjunct a personal planet in someone's natal chart (a "personal" planet being any planet that ranges from the Sun through Mars).

Every time I've met someone with Sun/Chiron or Moon/Chiron or even Venus/Chiron they've been.. really poisonous to me? As if they had a lot of bad experiences in their past relationships and thus have zero coping mechanisms for negative emotions they're experiencing? Rather than swallowing the feeling or calmly talking through the negative sentiment, they'll instead verbally take it out on me saying TERRIBLE things that will stick out in my mind for years as abusive.

It's been many years since I've experienced this aspect in a person, however, recently I decided to Facebook some old high school friends where I felt trauma still lingered between us. Lo and behold, when I put in their birth data, they would have Chiron conjunct a personal planet.

This Cancerian full Moon in particular really got me thinking about my paternal aunt and how she had a way of "cutting through me" with her actions, and voila.. Venus conjunct Chiron.

One of the most interesting observations I've made lately.

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posted September 24, 2019 08:58 AM            

He has:

posted September 24, 2019 09:04 AM            

He finds himself a victim when he is in love and also he has fear of commitment. That is a hard one. Tell me about him.
Also, how is your son?

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