posted January 12, 2016 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
I don't know, but I think it's cool how he has two different color eyes. I WANT!! 😍
Did someone say he has ascendant in Aquarius? Because if that is so, it totally makes sense

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No no no his eyes were both blue. He got in a fight with a friend as a kid over a girl. The friend punched him in the eye, and he had a ring on, and the ring injured Davids eye. After that his pupil was permanently dilated.

posted January 12, 2016 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
No no no his eyes were both blue. He got in a fight with a friend as a kid over a girl. The friend punched him in the eye, and he had a ring on, and the ring injured Davids eye. After that his pupil was permanently dilated.

Yeah, he was an Aquarius rising and really it does totally make sense, i don't. Doubt the accuracy of his birth time for a second LOL.

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posted January 12, 2016 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spongebob:
[b] No no no his eyes were both blue. He got in a fight with a friend as a kid over a girl. The friend punched him in the eye, and he had a ring on, and the ring injured Davids eye. After that his pupil was permanently dilated.

Yeah, he was an Aquarius rising and really it does totally make sense, i don't. Doubt the accuracy of his birth time for a second LOL.

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(Someone punch me in the eye!! Lmao jk nooo)[/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah Chiron does square his ascendant but its really not funny, i think he almost lost his eye, or almost went blind.

posted January 12, 2016 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:

Yeah Chiron does square his ascendant but its really not funny, i think he almost lost his eye, or almost went blind.

David could see out of both eyes i think he just lost some depth perception.

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posted January 12, 2016 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:

This is another good point. Leo is a sign known for creativity but people keep trying to attribute everything in David's life and career to Capricorn despite the fact that his moon is in Leo and even Saturn (the ruler of his sun) is in Leo, too.

...Even in astrological circles. Im sitting here right now like " He only had two planets in Cappy and they were buried in the twelfth house - are you really going to pretend you don't see all those fire sign planets clustered around the angles in his chart?"

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Spongebob. Fellow Knowflake. Bruh.

The beauty of this forum is that it brings together people with varied knowledge and takes on astrology. It's an interpretive science, after all. Everyone can individually build on what we're seeing as a collective.

What's fascinatingly ironic is that you're condemning us for supposedly dismissing Bowie's Leo/Sun-Mars traits, yet you're dismissive of his Capricorn/12th house aspects. Comments like "He only had two planets in Cappy and they were buried in the twelfth house" reveal just how much (some) people sleep on Cap and 12th house energy.

Caps can be creative in music and have will power. 12th House/Piscean energy has a real flare for creativity and lyrics, as well. However, you're quick to attribute these traits to Mars and Leo.

No one who mentioned Bowie's Capricorn or 12th house stuff claimed those to be the *only* chart elements at play. However, it's fair to lean on those given the context:

• He was a performer, singer, and song-writer -- His Sun-Mars-Merc conjunction in Capricorn would factor heavily into this.
  
• He passed away so close to his solar return in Capricorn --things that happen with Cap are typically karmic
  
• He chose to release his album on his solar return
  
• He kept creating while confined in a hospital with a hush hush condition. 12th house is associated isolation/secrecy/confinement/hospitals.
  

Anyhoo, I won't continue to belabor the point. I just dislike seeing people launch themselves into rants unnecessarily, especially on posts like this. It was never a competition or debate; just shared analyses on a beloved man. You're trying to slay demons that aren't really there.

posted January 12, 2016 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
@RogueReader
Interesting points, however Spongebob does make one important point. David Bowie was a Leo dominant man, followed by Capricorn dominant man. I'm trying to remain neutral in this situation, but I want to celebrate a great man who was a strong Capricorn Sun and Mars, and a strong Leo moon.

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posted January 12, 2016 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by RogueReader:
Thanks for weighing in, [b] Mergoatsun. Again, I don't believe anyone is contesting that Bowie had other significant planetary energies. It's all a matter of varied perspectives, which makes the forum experience enriching. Some of us were particularly struck by his Capricorn traits and others by his Leo ones. The only difference is that one of us decided to scold others for not focusing on chart aspects that they -- individually -- found significant. That doesn't sit well with me or my Uranian sensibilities. [/B]

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.....You're reading intentions into my comments that weren't there, in a big way. Simply put, yes, he was a Cappy sun and Mars, but when the energies in his chart were overwhelmingly Leo and Aquarian/Uranian, it really does seem strange to point to Capricorn as being the driving force behind his talent and creativity (especially when Leo is responsible for drama, acting, and performance), it's an opinion you have a right to, but it's not astrologically-sound. I don't know if me pointing that out offended you somehow?

If you were really a strongly Uranian person, you'd respect other people's right to disagree with you and wouldn't react with patronizing and condescension.

Editing to Add More Astrological Analysis :

Neptune is fairly active in David's chart also, particularly in aspect to Mercury, the planet responsible for "thought process" - this would result in a creative thinker, and could give artistic ability with the written word.

Generally, houses are spheres of life, and indicate areas of focus in life, but actual personality traits are indicated more by the aspects between planets, and the signs they are in. With so much influence in signs other than Cappy, and a lot of the creative planets making aspects to those Cappy placements to mitigate them, I suspect that's where the bulk of his creativity came from.

The fact that he wrote alot is the North Node in Gemini (writing/communication), and his unusual way of expressing himself is indicated by Uranus in the same house (the fifth house of play and creative expression), widely conjunct his North Node.

Yes, transits to his sun may indicate his time drawing near, but what does that have to do with his artistic abilities, which is what we're discussing here? Even his sun-moon midpoint is located at the end of Libra, another sign noted for an appreciation of beauty and art, that also has the capacity to give creative talents.

posted January 13, 2016 08:39 AM            

For starters, Bowie had Sun, Mars, Mercury, and True Lilith (if that’s your persuasion) in Capricorn. I’m sure most of us agree that *everything* in his chart supported how his life played out. Each of us commentators were simply offering pieces of Bowie’s astro puzzle, but you came in with some need to make rulings on what’s *astrologically sound*/rank other people’s findings relative to your own. Why??? It was not that kind of exercise.

This tendency was apparent in some key lines, in particular: "people keep trying to attribute everything in David's life and career to Capricorn despite the fact that," "I know a Capricorn... the sign probably isn't what was responsible for Davids determination," "Even in astrological circles. Im sitting here right now like "He only had two planets in Cappy and they were buried in the twelfth house - are you really going to pretend you don't see," " totally agree when people say they can see the Cappy in him, because I did too - just not in the ways everyone else does. I can't say with a straight face "Oh he was a great talent because of Capricorn""

Needlessly prickly…and unseemly.You could share the same chart tidbits without embedding judgments into the wording. You were the one being condescending. Why put that out into a forum atmosphere, especially on this occasion? I don’t think any commentator posted with the intent to deem their knowledge as the *only* or *most important* mechanisms at play, but you were aggressive as if someone — namely, people who mentioned Cap/12 house stuff — had. Again, it was not that kind of exercise.

It was an e-eulogy on an astrology forum. It was supposed to be positive, but your tone was negative and you made a flippant remark about “astrological circles”. I disliked that someone brought that abrasiveness into the positive vibe we have (had?) going. Then — to top it off — you addressed me, a person who was excited to discuss Bowie in the way we Knowflakes do.

And you acted based on your exposure to 1 YouTube astrologer, observations of a Capricorn you know, and a previous Elvis discussion? BRUH.

(BONUS: The Elvis scenario you mentioned suggests you have some issues accepting Capricorn/Saturnian energy as a contributor to great musical talent and determination. I get that Capricorn greatness is often associated with business/practical pursuits, but Caps can be strategic in and achieve mastery in *all* things — including the arts. This has come up on LL a number of times, including in this very discussion thread. So misunderstood. You can accept Aquarius as a driving force of Bowie’s creativity, but isn’t Aquarius co-influenced by Saturn? I’m not saying that Capricorn is solely responsible in Bowie’s case. In fact, no one did which is why I remain baffled as to why you ranted in the first place. You’re the one who seems intolerant of differing perspectives.)

Question my Uranian-ness all you’d like. You’d be the first, actually.

posted January 13, 2016 08:48 AM            

He was an amazing man nonetheless. I still can't believe he's gone. He is such a role model. I can see how he is Venus dominant though, he has a very venus dominant facial features (men kind of look like reptiles a bit) and I think that's where he gets some of his performing abilities and his love for creativity.

posted January 13, 2016 11:20 AM            

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Oh dear. I’ve found myself in one of *these*. Guess it had to happen sometime. This happens quite a bit on LL, which can be disheartening. That said, I’m all for maintaining positive online environments, so anyone’s free to chime in if they feel I’ve been unfair in any way.

For starters, Bowie had Sun, Mars, Mercury, and True Lilith (if that’s your persuasion) in Capricorn. I’m sure most of us agree that *everything* in his chart supported how his life played out. Each of us commentators were simply offering pieces of Bowie’s astro puzzle, but you came in with some need to make rulings on what’s *astrologically sound*/rank other people’s findings relative to your own. Why??? It was not that kind of exercise.

This tendency was apparent in some key lines, in particular: "people keep trying to attribute everything in David's life and career to Capricorn despite the fact that," "I know a Capricorn... the sign probably isn't what was responsible for Davids determination," "Even in astrological circles. Im sitting here right now like "He only had two planets in Cappy and they were buried in the twelfth house - are you really going to pretend you don't see," " totally agree when people say they can see the Cappy in him, because I did too - just not in the ways everyone else does. I can't say with a straight face "Oh he was a great talent because of Capricorn""

Needlessly prickly…and unseemly.You could share the same chart tidbits without embedding judgments into the wording. You were the one being condescending. Why put that out into a forum atmosphere, especially on this occasion? I don’t think any commentator posted with the intent to deem their knowledge as the *only* or *most important* mechanisms at play, but you were aggressive as if someone — namely, people who mentioned Cap/12 house stuff — had. Again, it was not that kind of exercise.

It was an e-eulogy on an astrology forum. It was supposed to be positive, but your tone was negative and you made a flippant remark about “astrological circles”. I disliked that someone brought that abrasiveness into the positive vibe we have (had?) going. Then — to top it off — you addressed me, a person who was excited to discuss Bowie in the way we Knowflakes do.

And you acted based on your exposure to 1 YouTube astrologer, observations of a Capricorn you know, and a previous Elvis discussion? BRUH.

([b]BONUS: The Elvis scenario you mentioned suggests you have some issues accepting Capricorn/Saturnian energy as a contributor to great musical talent and determination. I get that Capricorn greatness is often associated with business/practical pursuits, but Caps can be strategic in and achieve mastery in *all* things — including the arts. This has come up on LL a number of times, including in this very discussion thread. So misunderstood. You can accept Aquarius as a driving force of Bowie’s creativity, but isn’t Aquarius co-influenced by Saturn? I’m not saying that Capricorn is solely responsible in Bowie’s case. In fact, no one did which is why I remain baffled as to why you ranted in the first place. You’re the one who seems intolerant of differing perspectives.)

Question my Uranian-ness all you’d like. You’d be the first, actually.

You started this (by quoting and responding to my post). I’m curious to see how this ends. Spongebob, what are your thoughts?[/B]

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Im not going to engage in an astrological pi55ing contest with you in a thread created to honor this man. You almost got me to do it but im not playing this game driven by your own ego.

I didnt read any of your post. Dont expect me to go back and forth with you over this, and if you were any real kind of fan of Davids the last thing on your mind wouldve been trying to hijack his memory to brag about your sun sign.

posted January 13, 2016 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
In trying to keep the air light, I want to address David Bowie's non-aquarianness/non-uranianness. These were his 3 most dominant planets (in order from most to least): Venus, Moon and Saturn! And these are his 3 most dominant signs(in order from most to least): Leo, Capricorn, Sagittarius.

He was an amazing man nonetheless. I still can't believe he's gone. He is such a role model. I can see how he is Venus dominant though, he has a very venus dominant facial features (men kind of look like reptiles a bit) and I think that's where he gets some of his performing abilities and his love for creativity.

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I'm assuming that's because his Venus was right on an angle of his chart, although I think it wasn't super-aspected (I'm not sure I'd have to check his chart again), maybe they counted midpoints in the Pullen calculations?

But in the documentary I watched about him last night, he was saying that he was an artsy kid, and later on when they interviewed his friends and people he worked with, they all said he was always creating something. Nile Rodgers said that David said, "If you come from art, you will always be art". That's a pretty Venusian comment. To me he looked very Venusian too, for a lot of the "eras" of his work, like the Thin White Duke era and during Heathen.

posted January 13, 2016 12:10 PM            

Space Oddity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

posted January 13, 2016 01:48 PM            

It takes a healthy dose of Saturn to beat drug addiction like he did. Many performers never manage to kick drugs. His album Scary Monster Super Freaks details this struggle.

posted January 13, 2016 02:21 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I don't like to talk about death but what I DO want to talk about is why Capricorns seem so apt at music? I know the majority of MY preferred singers are all Cappies. Are they better at digging up their soul deep emotions than others? Do they transform their own darkness (yes we are) into beautiful music better than others?

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I've mentioned it in a few other threads before.. I think it has a bit to do with the constellation of Lyra. His sun was pretty close to conjunct Sheliak. His Mars was kinda close to Vega..

Not to say Lyra needs to be prominent in order for someone to be a good musician.

posted January 13, 2016 10:40 PM            

New York in 1993.

I worked part time at a little tshirt store near the EmpireState Building to help pay for college.

One average day, my coworker walked in and knowing I am a huge music fan as excited to tell me "Mick Jagger is in the store next door!"

I've never really been into the Stones but I like some of their songs and Mick is a legend so I was curious enough to head outside and peek into the window of the camera shop. I was almost knocked over by the fact that it was not Mick - but someone I greatly admired and idolized - David Bowie and his wife Iman. (Bless my coworker's heart because she didn't know the difference)

I ran back into my store all flabbergasted and verklempt and unsure what to do with myself. My kind coworker went back out with me to wait for Bowie to come out because I was 20 years old and frozen with idol-worship.

Bowie and Iman came out and my hand flew over my mouth and stayed there. I don't know why. To keep myself from squealing like a 10 year old? I handed him a napkin which was the only thing I could find in the store that was paper like and he understood I wanted an autograph and was extremely gracious and asked my name. A question I couldn't answer with my hand planted on my face. My coworker told him Amber and he signed it to Amber and then I nodded that I'd like Iman to sign it as well, this ethereal and amazing gorgeous being that didn't even look real.

Bowie put his hand on my shoulder as a gesture of either reassurance or pity and with a sweet smile said something along the lines of not to be so quiet.

Somehow, later that night or perhaps the next night, I found out where Bowie was going to be. It was at a restaurant/bar downtown and I headed down there determined to say something. I waited outside about 15 minutes and he and Iman came out - this time with an entourage. I was too struck again to say a word or even get his attention and I just watched them walk by into the awaiting car but it was worth it to me just to have been standing next to him a while.

My husband says next time I get so star struck I should just say "Potato".

posted January 13, 2016 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
Im not going to engage in an astrological pi55ing contest with you in a thread created to honor this man. You almost got me to do it but im not playing this game driven by your own ego.

I didnt read any of your post. Dont expect me to go back and forth with you over this, and if you were any real kind of fan of Davids the last thing on your mind wouldve been trying to hijack his memory to brag about your sun sign.

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Wow, Spongebob -- you sure showed me -_-.

I didn’t almost goad you into a pi55ing contest. You launched yourself into one by stating your opinions as facts on people’s comments and being super defensive. And let’s not forget who initiated this scuffle — you.

My message to you is this: you don’t have to (attempt to) tear down others’ ideas to advance your own. If you felt you had an astro insight into Bowie’s creativity, that’s great. What’s not great is dismissing other’s ideas when they don’t resemble your own. There’s a way to challenge ideas in a way that’s additive and in a way that’s antagonistic. Your approach was antagonistic.

It makes little difference whether you read my message or not. The real gem here is that you’ve displayed how you conduct yourself in these scenarios: making bitey remarks while addressing others’ insights, privileging your ideas over others’, throwing jabs about others' authenticity when on the offensive, and then hastily trying to shut down convos when you’re challenged. That doesn’t help to foster a nice environment on LL. No thanks.

posted January 13, 2016 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
I don't know, but I think it's cool how he has two different color eyes. I WANT!! 😍
Did someone say he has ascendant in Aquarius? Because if that is so, it totally makes sense

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They are the same color -
One of them had a permanently enlarged pupil from a fight he got in when he was in his teens which makes the iris looks like it's a different colour than the other one

posted January 13, 2016 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
Unbelievably sad. He is one of my absolute heroes and has been for 30 years - just a little over half of his career which is mind-bogglingly amazing.

New York in 1993.

I worked part time at a little tshirt store near the EmpireState Building to help pay for college.

One average day, my coworker walked in and knowing I am a huge music fan as excited to tell me "Mick Jagger is in the store next door!"

I've never really been into the Stones but I like some of their songs and Mick is a legend so I was curious enough to head outside and peek into the window of the camera shop. I was almost knocked over by the fact that it was not Mick - but someone I greatly admired and idolized - David Bowie and his wife Iman. (Bless my coworker's heart because she didn't know the difference)

I ran back into my store all flabbergasted and verklempt and unsure what to do with myself. My kind coworker went back out with me to wait for Bowie to come out because I was 20 years old and frozen with idol-worship.

Bowie and Iman came out and my hand flew over my mouth and stayed there. I don't know why. To keep myself from squealing like a 10 year old? I handed him a napkin which was the only thing I could find in the store that was paper like and he understood I wanted an autograph and was extremely gracious and asked my name. A question I couldn't answer with my hand planted on my face. My coworker told him Amber and he signed it to Amber and then I nodded that I'd like Iman to sign it as well, this ethereal and amazing gorgeous being that didn't even look real.

Bowie put his hand on my shoulder as a gesture of either reassurance or pity and with a sweet smile said something along the lines of not to be so quiet.

Somehow, later that night or perhaps the next night, I found out where Bowie was going to be. It was at a restaurant/bar downtown and I headed down there determined to say something. I waited outside about 15 minutes and he and Iman came out - this time with an entourage. I was too struck again to say a word or even get his attention and I just watched them walk by into the awaiting car but it was worth it to me just to have been standing next to him a while.

My husband says next time I get so star struck I should just say "Potato".

I think I'll do that. Though I don't know if I'll ever get that struck again.

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I was listening to his music and bouncing around the web and feeling bad again then I read this and I giggled LOL.

I envy you, I wish I'd had a chance like that. I didn't get into his music in earnest until about three years ago. I never got to go to a concert, missed the excitement of most of the eras/album releases, and I read before that around 2000 he used to hang out online and interact with his fans on messageboards. I wish more than anything that I could've interacted with him or something like you did.

posted January 13, 2016 11:20 PM            

Right now I'm watching "Starman" circa 1972.

posted January 13, 2016 11:36 PM            

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I'm glad it brought a smile!

Right now I'm watching "Starman" circa 1972.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B5zmDz4vR4

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Yeah, it really did I was prolly about 20 good minutes away from bawling again you stopped me.

I'm listening to this right now : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4O6l6O-tgA

posted January 14, 2016 01:30 AM            

[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4C3KqUS0tk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlOnDuibya0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZbHI7eJgqI[/URL]

posted January 14, 2016 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by VirgoPILL:
can we appreciate his great sense of humor? he didn't take himself too seriously which is another element that made him so appealing in our eyes and he never become a bad parody act.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4C3KqUS0tk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlOnDuibya0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZbHI7eJgqI

damn, how can i make the links 'clickable'?

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