posted January 16, 2016 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I hate that people do this.

I really feel awful for them, and this is such a sick world, that we have people (usually young girls) doing this to themselves.

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posted January 16, 2016 10:59 PM            

I've learned over the last few months, through introspection, that self-harm can extend far beyond cutting.. And, I've also realized that it can be a very complex thing.. That sometimes while it may not look like self-harm on the outside, that is actually the motivation behind what is occurring. Sometimes, it seems, there can be such strong subconscious impulses that the person doesn't entirely realize they are self-harming til they really examine their actions.. Along with being 100% honest with themselves.

I guess that would probably be best off in its own thread though.

posted January 16, 2016 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Wow, that's a great, and succinct analysis.

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Thank you.

When I was growing up, nobody ever talked about cutting. I never heard of it. If anyone did it, it seemed like nobody knew.

I wonder if it's more a Scorpio Pluto thing?

posted January 16, 2016 11:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Valentine:
I feel the same way.

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posted January 16, 2016 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thank you.

When I was growing up, nobody ever talked about cutting. I never heard of it. If anyone did it, it seemed like nobody knew.

I wonder if it's more a Scorpio Pluto thing?

Or maybe just in my area, the Libra Pluto generation did not seem to do this....if they did, it was private and not where the scars could be seen.

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You know I do feel cutting is a lot more common in teens today. I agree that there seems to be an increase in comparison to my generation. Perhaps I am just more exposed to this now that I am a therapist and my perception is biased but if we are right about the increase then good point that it could be in part when speaking about the generational increase a Pluto in Scorpio thing. Good point.

posted January 16, 2016 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
I wonder if maybe we should also talk about the subject of self-harm in general..?

I've learned over the last few months, through introspection, that self-harm can extend far beyond cutting.. And, I've also realized that it can be a very complex thing.. That sometimes while it may not look like self-harm on the outside, that is actually the motivation behind what is occurring. Sometimes, it seems, there can be such strong subconscious impulses that the person doesn't entirely realize they are self-harming til they really examine their actions.. Along with being 100% honest with themselves.

I guess that would probably be best off in its own thread though.

I had a brief point where I kind of cut. It wasn't for very long, and it wasn't very extreme.. But, it still occurred.

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Yes it would be great to have a discussion about this.

posted January 16, 2016 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Through what ages did it happen..?

Was there a defining moment or push for it to stop?

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posted January 17, 2016 02:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
@hypatia:
I think it's cool you can pinpoint that.

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posted January 17, 2016 02:13 AM            

Interesting...I'm too tired to post my chart right now, but we do have several things in common. We both have:

- Pisces ASC
- Jupiter in Leo in the 6th house
- Chiron in Cancer
- Saturn in Capricorn in the 11th house
- Neptune in Capricorn in the 11th house
- Pluto in Scorpio in the 8th house
- Mars in 3rd house
- I also have quincunxes to my Mars and Jupiter, but they're aspecting Uranus (the apex) and form a yod.

I used to do it on my arms, too.

posted January 17, 2016 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well specially the Moon aspect saturn in combo with moon aspect mars. My client specifically does not have moon aspect mars but she does have Mars in Aries with Moon conjunct Saturn by 2d.

A planet that aspects hard Saturn or Mars is often said to be afflicted and the moon the planet of emotions meets Saturn which restricts and limits and meets mars which rules aggression, both masculine planets unlike the moon, and the inability to express emotions can turn to self harm; aggression towards the self. Well it increases the chances of the engagement with this type of coping skill. That is what it seems so far based on the limited data collected.

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posted January 17, 2016 04:59 AM            

Here are two charts of girls who used to self-harm during their teenage years. Both engaged in other forms of self-destructive behavior as well - alcohol, drugs, casual sex. As far I know now they grew out of it.

posted January 17, 2016 05:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Sorry, I don't really feel like talking about it. There's too much to say. I'll just tell you that it was 'ongoing.'.. My early to late teens I guess ? Haha 😝

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Yeah, I get it.. you don't need to talk about it if you're not comfortable.

posted January 17, 2016 05:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thank you.

When I was growing up, nobody ever talked about cutting. I never heard of it. If anyone did it, it seemed like nobody knew.

I wonder if it's more a Scorpio Pluto thing?

Or maybe just in my area, the Libra Pluto generation did not seem to do this....if they did, it was private and not where the scars could be seen.

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Right, maybe in the Pluto Libra generation, social niceties prevented open discussions of this sort. Unless you were close with someone who did it, or they chose to confide, one would never know.

posted January 17, 2016 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Right, maybe in the Pluto Libra generation, social niceties prevented open discussions of this sort. Unless you were close with someone who did it, or they chose to confide, one would never know.

What causes this - could be a wide range of triggers. From unhappy homes, to defeats in the real world, loneliness, depression, a lack of control in other spheres of life. It all boils down to unresolved anger issues, suppression of emotion in some way - so, the afflicted moon seems like a likely candidate.

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posted January 17, 2016 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by alyssa27:
i did that when i was a teen for about one year..never did that again after that(sometimes i wanted to but i didn't)..i remember i felt relieved when i was doing that..in my arms only..i was hiding that for everyone..some people found out of course my mother and bfs..now the scars aren't that noticeable and i left all of that behind me

no moon-saturn or moon-mars..moon in 3rd conjunct the ic squares uranus and neptune

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posted January 17, 2016 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Right, maybe in the Pluto Libra generation, social niceties prevented open discussions of this sort. Unless you were close with someone who did it, or they chose to confide, one would never know.

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That's partly it, and partly -- I think Libra Pluto does not have the intensity of Scorpio Pluto. Does not feel as keenly, does not have the same need for release.

This Guardian article from 2002 calls cutting "the alarming new blood cult":
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2002/may/19/mentalhealth.observerfocus

ETA: But then, it's still going on, with the Sag Pluto kids. I guess an idea that powerful is hard to kill off.

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Originally posted by Elysia:
What causes this - could be a wide range of triggers. From unhappy homes, to defeats in the real world, loneliness, depression, a lack of control in other spheres of life. It all boils down to unresolved anger issues, suppression of emotion in some way - so, the afflicted moon seems like a likely candidate.

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Good points. And I think American life has become all-around harder.

Cutting seems to have become a standard norm of school culture:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-modern-teen/201101/why-has-self-injury -become-so-popular

This article says it's a trend on the rise, 15-20% of adolescents are cutting now:
http://www.education.com/magazine/article/cutting/

I feel like the social aspect of school life is worse than ever, because of social media and the more "public" dangers of not fitting in. It makes sense to me that behaviors become more contagious in that environment. No one wants to stand alone, and people go to extremes for bonding/demonstrating conformity. Plus there is probably genuine underlying pain, and cutting is apparently quite addictive, because of the endorphins released.

posted January 17, 2016 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I feel like the social aspect of school life is worse than ever, because of social media and the more "public" dangers of not fitting in. It makes sense to me that behaviors become more contagious in that environment. No one wants to stand alone, and people go to extremes for bonding/demonstrating conformity. Plus there is probably genuine underlying pain, and cutting is apparently quite addictive, because of the endorphin release.

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Great Analysis.

A previous client of mine had a lot of friends who were cutting which really surprised me as statistically what are the odds of one person having that many friends that cut. Her and I had several good discussions about it. We did talk about fitting in as an incentive to cut and how its becoming a social trend to cut, normalizing it.

The discussion evolved like that bc she was telling me details that indicate that there was a bonding and conformity element like you are mentioning, at least from what she said I picked up on that and now you are mentioning similar observations. However, a few of her friends seem to be genuinely in lot of pain but yes there was definitely as well this aspect of conformity and bonding to it.

posted January 17, 2016 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Good points. And I think American life has become all-around harder.

Cutting seems to have become a standard norm of school culture:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-modern-teen/201101/why-has-self-injury -become-so-popular

This article says it's a trend on the rise, 15-20% of adolescents are cutting now:
http://www.education.com/magazine/article/cutting/

I feel like the social aspect of school life is worse than ever, because of social media and the more "public" dangers of not fitting in. It makes sense to me that behaviors become more contagious in that environment. No one wants to stand alone, and people go to extremes for bonding/demonstrating conformity. Plus there is probably genuine underlying pain, and cutting is apparently quite addictive, because of the endorphins released.

I've talked about this a lot because it upsets me a lot. To me it's a sign of a very sick society.

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posted January 17, 2016 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by alyssa27:
i don't remember day around february

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Well the year you were cutting Transit Saturn was conjuncting your Chiron and opposing your natal Saturn.

Natally, you also have a wide MOON inconjunct MARS slightly out of orb. I belief inconjunctions can count up to 3d. Transit Uranus was inconjuncting your MOON and sextiling your MARS perhaps making that out of orb Mars inconjunct Moon be felt creating a YOD.