posted February 01, 2016 10:31 PM            

If you want to touch on the issue of freedom of speech here, okay. If people are into freedom of speech and choose to practice it here, that's fine. Obviously that drives a website like this. But is it only fine when one side is pointed out but a conflicting viewpoint is seen as being "too much" or just "too offended"? When going back and forth is what creates dialogue, in order to bring up the issues that complex humans deal with. And speaking of complexity, yes, I agree that we are all complex human beings and that we all react to such things differently. But as a parent (if that's the route you want to take) do you sit back and watch your children handle situations like this, even knowing that there's another way that could incite understanding and growth?

I'm not this guy's mother or father, so I don't have the sensitivity that some of these women have. But as a guy, I take it to heart to call out others guys when they're being douche bags and perpetuating a culture of guys who feel that women should act a certain way, simply because guys buy them presents or the girl works in sort of customer service.

I'd be ****** if the girl was my sister or daughter or even friend and he pulled this s***. The world doesn't get angry enough at guys who think to treat women that way. That's where I'm coming from.

Edit: and then to do it on a website where the users are mostly women? No.

posted February 01, 2016 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
Why wouldn't it offend me so much?

If you want to touch on the issue of freedom of speech here, okay. If people are into freedom of speech and choose to practice it here, that's fine. Obviously that drives a website like this. But is it only fine when one side is pointed out but a conflicting viewpoint is seen as being "too much" or just "too offended"? When going back and forth is what creates dialogue, in order to bring up the issues that complex humans deal with. And speaking of complexity, yes, I agree that we are all complex human beings and that we all react to such things differently. But as a parent (if that's the route you want to take) do you sit back and watch your children handle situations like this, even knowing that there's another way that could incite understanding and growth?

I'm not this guy's mother or father, so I don't have the sensitivity that some of these women have. But as a guy, I take it to heart to call out others guys when they're being douche bags and perpetuating a culture of guys who feel that women should act a certain way, simply because guys buy them presents or the girl works in sort of customer service.

I'd be ****** if the girl was my sister or daughter or even friend and he pulled this s***. The world doesn't get angry enough at guys who think to treat women that way. That's where I'm coming from.

Edit: and then to do it on a website where the users are mostly women? No.

Also, a lot of the comments have been deleted so I don't know who said what to whom.

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Like I mentioned earlier I like the points you made but let me now elaborate further: the points were great it is the tone you used earlier I feel will not lead to a dialogue but to a fight with him, feel me?.

I see you are passionate about respecting women and that is beautiful which is why you reacted with that tone earlier but tones like that lead to escalating and communication break down; we all do it, I am not picking on you.

"But as a parent (if that's the route you want to take) do you sit back and watch your children handle situations like this, even knowing that there's another way that could incite understanding and growth?"

That is why I mentioned the parent would say something along the lines of "we will talk more about this later when you are calmer" as when someone is reacting from an emotional state a dialogue is not going to take place just defensiveness. The tone you used earlier was going to lead to defensiveness and escalation but we all do that sometimes, I do it; sometimes I just want to say what I am thinking and don't think or care about how my tone will set the other person off.

posted February 01, 2016 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Like I mentioned earlier I like the points you made but let me now elaborate further: the points were great it is the tone you used earlier I feel will not lead to a dialogue but to a fight with him, feel me?.

I see you are passionate about respecting women and that is beautiful which is why you reacted with that tone earlier but tones like that lead to escalating and communication break down; we all do it, I am not picking on you.

"But as a parent (if that's the route you want to take) do you sit back and watch your children handle situations like this, even knowing that there's another way that could incite understanding and growth?"

That is why I mentioned the parent would say something along the lines of "we will talk more about this later when you are calmer" as when someone is reacting from an emotional state a dialogue is not going to take place just defensiveness. The tone you used earlier was going to lead to defensiveness and escalation but we all do that sometimes, I do it; sometimes I just want to say what I am thinking and don't think or care about how my tone will set the other person off.

Communication is so challenging for all of us including myself, I am learning; is part of my skipped step with mercury retro opposing my moon and squaring my nodes and all .

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I understand.

The moon in Scorpio tonight. Gets me EVERY. DARN. TIME.

posted February 01, 2016 11:58 PM            

It's not that I've been rejected. That is not my gripe. My gripe is not even being told where I stand. Yes, no message is a message, however knowing her as I do, it was very surprising. Her and I have sent approximately 100 messages since December, but as of last week she went quiet. She has been into my shop, and I go into her pub 3 days a week. Nothing was said from my point to make her go quiet, so you can appreciate my confusion. I have not been pushy towards her at all, as some of you have incorrectly presumed. Since she went quiet, I've sent her 4 messages. 2 of them were chatting as per usual, and 2 were asking what the problem was.

This thread was about people heavy in Virgo being so damn fussy and hard to pin down, not the fact that she ignored me. It was a question to the people out there who might have also seen this because as I said before, the 2 people I know who are heavy in Virgo are both the same - fussy, hard to get etc.

As fate would have it, last night, she messaged me.

posted February 02, 2016 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Dave:
OK. Wow! I've seen that many threads whinging about signs. Seems when you throw some Aussie slang into the mix, people lose their minds. If any of you ever do come down under and someone says ***** or ******* ( which you're going to hear 10 times a day ), try and relax.

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LMAO!!!!!!! hahaha Why do Moon in Leos make me crack up so easily??.

Nobody is deleting your account! and btw Randall is the only one that could do that so if your account gets deleted that would be his decision but I doubt he would, I feel it takes a lot for him to do that.

Most people replied to your thread without getting offended. I hope you continue to participate in Lindaland, I enjoy your presence.

I am glad to hear she texted back! Wonderful news..

posted February 02, 2016 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Dave:
Thank you so much for the kind words.

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posted February 02, 2016 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
Am I the only one that thinks this thread is pretty ridiculous? Not the responses, but the topic itself. Here's a guy who basically got rejected by a girl who has just gotten out of a pretty serious relationship and he's going on about how she's ignoring him and how he basically doesn't get enough attention from her. Even though he's given her presents and she calls him pet names. So it's OK to come on a forum and suggest that people with these sort of placements are ******* and ********?

1) just because you buy her gifts, that automatically means you're entitled to her time and energy?

2) you gave it all you've got and apparently got rejected, now you're off calling anyone similar to her ******* and *********? Because you can't handle rejection like an adult? Anyone you hit on is supposed to melt in your arms? Dude.

3) obviously she is a responsible, independent, and autonomous human being. She can do whatever the **** she wants. She doesn't have to bend to your every wish or message.

4) on here offending wonderful people because your ego is shot.

That s*** ****** me off.

If this is too much, I'll edit it out. But whatever.

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I wasn't going to respond to you but considering what you've assumed about me, you are an absolute disgrace and you deserve to be put in your place.

The present was a Christmas gift. A gift that I was more than happy to give her and expect nothing in return. I also gave gifts to 2 other people who work there, both of whom are customers of mine. You see, I like to look after people who are good to me.

You say I think a woman should act a certain way because I bought her a gift. Absolutely untrue! Those are your words and that is YOU making that assumption so you can come on an internet forum and act like a big man, having a go at me. Sounds like something is wrong with your ego tough guy. You see, all I've wanted was a response. I think it's common courtesy to respond to all correspondence, something that you probably don't understand.

I haven't called anyone here a ***** or ******* . I asked a question. I can see that's a hard concept for you to grasp, but perhaps instead of being an internet tough guy you should take a deep breath, practice your breathing, and take this thread for what it is - a serious question about people heavy in one particular sign. I do find it very interesting that not once have you discussed the topic of the thread. Perhaps because you enjoy having a go at someone for something that you made up in your head.

For your information tough guy, the people who whinged about this thread took exception to 2 words that I used in the title. I guess they've never walked through a shopping centre, turned on MTV or watched a movie in the last 30 years. I don't suppose they've ever been to Australia either. You've posted worse language in your posts here than what is in my title. There's a word for people like you - HYPOCRITE.

posted February 02, 2016 03:25 AM            

In Cchampliss's defense, I have to say that the way you have presented your situation here is a bit misleading.

I also got a similar impression, simply because you were asking for people's opinions about a very specific interaction with someone, but leaving a lot unsaid.

It's really difficult for people to get a fair perspective if you don't give them the whole picture up front, but rather in bits as you go along.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the situation is getting cleared up, and I hope it all works out for you.

posted February 02, 2016 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Uh... First, I don't think that anyone complained about your language specifically, Dave. I know I certainly haven't, because I am willing to bet money that my language is far worse than yours.
(Edit. Except for misunderstanding your use of the word "ignorance" to describe someone who had been ignoring you.)

In Cchampliss's defense, I have to say that the way you have presented your situation here is a bit misleading.

I also got a similar impression, simply because you were asking for people's opinions about a very specific interaction with someone, but leaving a lot unsaid.

It's really difficult for people to get a fair perspective if you don't give them the whole picture up front, but rather in bits as you go along.

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posted February 02, 2016 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:

It's really difficult for people to get a fair perspective if you don't give them the whole picture up front, but rather in bits as you go along.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the situation is getting cleared up, and I hope it all works out for you.

For the record, you seem like a nice person. This thread just apparently got sucked into a vortex, and landed in the middle of a Mercury Rx transit.

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posted February 02, 2016 04:41 AM            

CC on that post used a tone that was aggressive and set up for the receiver to feel offended. His intentions were perhaps good to offer constructive feedback but how he presented it was set up in an accusatory manner instead of asking more questions to understand more the situation or making friendly suggestions. His approach was set up in a way that would lead to escalation not a dialogue.

posted February 02, 2016 07:45 AM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
Am I the only one that thinks this thread is pretty ridiculous? Not the responses, but the topic itself. Here's a guy who basically got rejected by a girl who has just gotten out of a pretty serious relationship and he's going on about how she's ignoring him and how he basically doesn't get enough attention from her. Even though he's given her presents and she calls him pet names. So it's OK to come on a forum and suggest that people with these sort of placements are ******* and ********?

1) just because you buy her gifts, that automatically means you're entitled to her time and energy?

2) you gave it all you've got and apparently got rejected, now you're off calling anyone similar to her ******* and *********? Because you can't handle rejection like an adult? Anyone you hit on is supposed to melt in your arms? Dude.

3) obviously she is a responsible, independent, and autonomous human being. She can do whatever the **** she wants. She doesn't have to bend to your every wish or message.

4) on here offending wonderful people because your ego is shot.

That s*** ****** me off.

If this is too much, I'll edit it out. But whatever.

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Exactly what I was coming to say! He's coming across very entitled and needy. Probably why she isn't responding!

Here is another thought. Maybe she doesn't know what to say so she can't respond right now. Virgo heavy people are always in analysis mode. They think before doing.

If he really cares for her, he will not put these expectations on her. But he's probably one of those guys that cries "friendzoned" when he doesn't get his way. Rape culture, anyone?

posted February 02, 2016 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
Dude, maybe it was too soon? The ring went missing in December and here it is, February? Unless it was last December.
Maybe she just needs a moment.

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Yep. This too.

I split up with my husband for a little while (6 weeks). When people who liked me found out, I was getting tons of messages, including dick pics. Mind you, we are all 35-55 years old so we should be past this childish nonsense but no... me being single was seen as open season. It was pretty gross to be pursued so fast after our breakup. I was trying to put my life in order, not line up the next dude. We ended up working it out after he moved out for a week. Turns out, the space allowed us to really think on things so we could communicate with each other more effectively and I really appreciated that he didn't treat me like a potential conquest.

posted February 02, 2016 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Dave:
Thank you so much for the kind words.

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posted February 02, 2016 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Uh... First, I don't think that anyone complained about your language specifically, Dave. I know I certainly haven't, because I am willing to bet money that my language is far worse than yours.
(Edit. Except for misunderstanding your use of the word "ignorance" to describe someone who had been ignoring you.)

In Cchampliss's defense, I have to say that the way you have presented your situation here is a bit misleading.

I also got a similar impression, simply because you were asking for people's opinions about a very specific interaction with someone, but leaving a lot unsaid.

It's really difficult for people to get a fair perspective if you don't give them the whole picture up front, but rather in bits as you go along.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that it sounds like the situation is getting cleared up, and I hope it all works out for you.

For the record, you seem like a nice person. This thread just apparently got sucked into a vortex, and landed in the middle of a Mercury Rx transit.

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The post, yet again, is about people thick in Virgo being either fussy, hard to contact, or very particular and anal about anything and everything. Most people that posted in this thread understand that. Then there are 3 people who don't quite get it.

You knew everything about the situation in the first 2 posts I made. I was asked to elaborate on the situation, thus I did.

posted February 02, 2016 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
If you thought so highly of women, you wouldn't be on here calling them names.

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