posted April 18, 2016 03:40 PM            

Additionally, almost every person I know whose general disposition IS hostile has had bad experiences that would explain such hostility (or bitterness, resentment, etc).

So, while I know people who are abrasive, abrupt, socially inept to the point of being offensive, etc...I don't know that I would ever really consider anyone generally hostile without understandable cause.

Or if I do see people who appear that way, I have no idea what their placements are (or their life circumstances, for that matter).

posted April 18, 2016 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by missblyss:
My experience with hostility is that it is most EASILY shown in air or fire (suns or ascendants) who have OTHER placements indicating hostility; i.e. a Sag/aqua sun who has a natal mars sq saturn... Of course, depending on how well you know a person, different sides will be seen more easily, but this is what I have seen to contribute to hostility in more social environments..

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I think the moon can also be a factor?

posted April 18, 2016 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Oh hey!

I thought you knew... Aqua moon.

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Ohhhhhh Yes that does sound familiar!

And it fits you.

posted April 18, 2016 09:34 PM            

I agree, we can't put all the blame on the charts for this. Sometimes the worst charts create the nicest people, and vice versa.

posted April 19, 2016 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ohhhhhh Yes that does sound familiar!

And it fits you.

I love Aqua moons by the way.

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posted April 23, 2016 06:17 AM            

Thanks for the kind words. I have not responded as some of your comments made me think and then I needed time to go over them with care. Sometimes I write and don’t even read what I write and then is all non-sense. Besides the fact that I am not native speaker.

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Mars is associated to the energy, drive we put into going for what we want. This is translated into power. We feel powerful when we can control the outcome of a goal. If I want to travel, to conquer a man, to get a job, I feel powerful when I achieve that “I made it” we normally say. There is a sense of power. “I can do it, I can make this happen, and therefore I am powerful”. When people is frustrated (they have not succeeded either in getting their emotional goals met or whatever is on their way) this creates anger. This is normal and that is why mars is associated to anger. The not achieving the goal start feeling as a threat to survival and a sense of powerlessness. So the adrenaline runs high. What we do with this energy? This energy is the same we need to run if we see a tiger, or the same we feel if we need to fight if someone is assaulting us. If people become aware that part of old buried anger is associated to unmet needs, then, we can become more proactive toward “fighting” to get them met or we can start mourning for the lost or we start fighting for those who are in similar situations, etc, etc. we can use in a positive way. We can also become depressed if this buried anger get unacknowledged and we keep “smiling” to the world as no frustration have ever touched us. Some people resort to become hostile toward others as a way to regain control. Being in touch with their own wounded mars energy is too painful, so they go along trying to inflict pain in others as a way to regain “control” or “power”. As I said earlier, “power” in the sense of “being able to go for what you want and get it”. As they have not succeeded and have not confronted that, they decide to “regain power” by hurting others.

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I can be straightforward (I have the opposition, not the square, if that matters.) And my good friend who has a moon-Mars-Neptune t-square like me is even more straightforward. But as I said, when people don't want me to do something and act like they will suffer if I do what I want, that tends to hold me back.
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I don’t have comment on it, just to say I will keep watching on this aspect to get more insights and see if the opposition works differently.. my closest experiences has been with the square regardless of the sing of mars and Neptune.
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I don't know how to explain who I am and what I do?
By dissolving the anger, what I meant is, I am watchful of my inner space and take responsibility for it. So if I am angry at someone I usually ask myself, "How am I at fault? What is this saying about me?? What can I do to make myself feel better?"
I don't like to feel dependent on anyone for my emotional state. I feel immense freedom in letting things go and not having expectations. This is a discipline that I have built up over time, however. I wasn't always like this.
Sometimes vibes get to me and I wish the person would stop giving me a nasty feeling, but I don't consider the problem to be about them.
If it's about them, I can't change it.
If it's about me, I can change it. I can move away, block it from my mind, think about other things....I don't consider that repression. More like choice. I am not at the mercy of everything negative that comes my way...none of us are....we can all pick and choose where to put our focus.

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This is very interesting approach and very mercurial. I don’t think mars in airy sign can do otherwise. I can identify with it as I have moon-mercury conjunction in gemini and mercury is my chart sole dispositor. My cancer stellium including mars conjunct 3rd house. Hence, I am very mercurial and can rationalize everything, I can see my emotions, analyse them as an “insect” dissect them and play ideas in my mind. However I have come to realization that we are not so free as the western “you can do if you put enough effort” motto makes us to believe. I have stopped believing that we can control all our feelings by just controlling our thoughts. And “repression” may have unacceptable connotations, but “blocking” a thought that contains energy does not make is disappear. It may relieve the conscious uneasiness, but unconsciously it keeps working behind the scenes. It can become an illness, it can bring violence from outside, it can produce out of the blue depression, dreams or even accidents. Sometimes we need to “block” or “repress” a feeling to continue functioning or because we are too vulnerable at the moment, but at some point we need to face our buried feelings.. they always show up in the most unexpected ways.
According to Jungian theory, whatever circumstances we attract to our lives it is a reflection of what is going on inside. If we attract angry people, there is something about assertiveness and anger that needs to be looked up, if we attract illness or accidents, something in our emotions and instincts needs to be looked up… it is hard sometimes to find the connection, but if we ask ourselves “why I attract this or that” we may start getting to know ourselves better. We can use our “enemies” as a tool to know ourselves better. I am not implying that people are to be “blamed” for circumstances they attract, but sometimes there is an unconscious collusion with the experience. As the soul wants to communicate something and will use any instrument to bring the message to consciousness.
I want to bring an example of a friend of mine that really impressed me. I met her in the university. I was 23 she was 18. For 5 years we studied together. I never saw her angry at anybody. She was so funny and so good humoured. Everybody loved her as she also carried out a very unique uranian craziness. I remember sometimes me making fun of her for something she said in class and she just laughed so hard. I was always impressed that she took all things with good humor.. well, this perfect humor girl got into a deep depression when she was 30. After some 2 years in therapy she started being angry at some friend that owed her money. In the past she never was angry at her. It is as she could not get in touch with her anger, then it got buried. If I have told her that she was repressing her anger she would have thought I was crazy… that experience taught me a good lesson. I have observed similar cases, but not so sharp and these have tought me that whatever we “think” we feel needs always to be checked with other things going on around us, including accidents and illness and …. DREAMS…

Finally I was not referring to any of your posts. I always enjoy reading your posts and have not noticed anything that makes me suggest you are passive aggressive. I was talking about placements and how people my side with some part of the chart (i.e. the airy side) and suppress the more primal side… it was not about you, it was about the way we tend to split with contradictory information in our charts until we start owning and integrating all the pieced into together…

Blessings..