posted April 13, 2016 11:31 AM            

I have seen a bit of this with Aries & Aquarius suns, though these suns can also be perfectly kind.

Just wondering if any natal aspects will create a greater likelihood of it.

Pluto square ASC?

posted April 13, 2016 11:48 AM            

You single-handedly disproved what I was guessing at.

I'm talking about people who go around with a chip on their shoulder, they always seem offended at something and on the verge of insulting someone.

This is their demeanor.

posted April 13, 2016 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^^ Online you never appear hostile.

In person, do you have a cold vibe? Like you are telling people to keep their distance unless or until they are invited closer?

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Well in person nobody wants to talk to me lol, probably because of my Scorpio Ascendant. For some reason though people think it's funny to take a swat at me physically (like a friend hittng my backpack and thinking it's funny), only to find that they were very wrong to do such a thing. I really don't like it when people invade my personal space but maybe I should make it clear since it somehow leads to being taken advantage of (neptune square possibly).

posted April 13, 2016 12:05 PM            

As such, aspects enhancing privacy and love of freedom can cause a hastier reaction toward people who try to pin them down or try to prove a point forcefully.
Look for mercurial people, as they tend to like being free.
Involvment with the twelfth house, pisces and neptune, especially when paired with Moon or the sun can cause the person to be secretive and private and she may feel uneasy when invaded.
If you add in explosiveness, or agressiveness such as mars/Uranus, Mars/Moon or Mars/Pluto it can create truly hostile and agressive behaviour when such people feel attacked.

posted April 13, 2016 12:10 PM            

I still think, you probably don't qualify for what I'm talking about. Or maybe I didn't question you enough.

- Do you tend to make snide comments at people you barely even know?
- Are you free with your expression of contempt?
- Do you ENJOY being irritable, so you show this side very often?

@Rose,

Thanks for your thoughts.

posted April 13, 2016 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
I think Saturn square asc leads to this more than Pluto. And I agree on the Mars in Scorpio

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Thanks ~ there's something to go on.

Actually I can already think of one person with Saturn square ASC who I regard as somewhat hostile, not as bad as other people, but eager to put people down.

posted April 13, 2016 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks for explaining Electro.

I still think, you probably don't qualify for what I'm talking about. Or maybe I didn't question you enough.

- Do you tend to make snide comments at people you barely even know?
- Are you free with your expression of contempt?
- Do you ENJOY being irritable, so you show this side very often?

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I don't really make snide comments, but I'll think things to myself like, "wtf is he doing; what an idiot," simply because they're ever doing really stupid stuff or making excuses.

I'm not really free with my expression of contempt. I have anger issues but I don't necessarily have contempt; just a I don't care attitude (Aqua Stellium).

And I hate being irritable; it's quite frustrating.

posted April 13, 2016 12:22 PM            

Thanks Faith! lol, it looks like I should have seen this compliment coming!!!

posted April 13, 2016 12:30 PM            

But it's not really cold...just passionate? I guess I could be cold if my Virgo self got a hold of my passionate side and teamed it up with my dissecting side. But they're basically impossible to merge since they're square. I'm either passionate and emotional and defensive or cool and dissecting - rarely both.

I'm more comfortable with the Martian type of confrontation (obviously). I guess I see it more like honesty than anything else - we both know where each other stand, etc. I've experienced Aquarius confrontation differently though. Sometimes (not always) it seems more like "I'm going to argue/disagree/fight this for the sake of it, not necessarily because I agree or identify with it" which is maddening for a lot of people (myself included).

posted April 13, 2016 12:33 PM            

The irritable kind of hostility - umm , TBH I'm like that on my #CrankyCrocodile days. Depends on the mood.

On a consistent basis, I've noticed Sun-square-Mars folks are the insecure-hostile type. If they haven't learnt to handle that natal energy, it can make them really needlessly competitive. And universally hostile - especially to members of their own gender. They think they're being subtle about it, but it's rather obvious and painful to watch. >_<

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Originally posted by Faith:

I'm talking about people who go around with a chip on their shoulder, they always seem offended at something and on the verge of insulting someone.

This is their demeanor.

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posted April 13, 2016 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I mean their usual temperament is abrasive, cold, confrontational.

I have seen a bit of this with Aries & Aquarius suns, though these suns can also be perfectly kind.

Just wondering if any natal aspects will create a greater likelihood of it.

Pluto square ASC?

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Hard aspects to Mars can make a person quite abrasive.They can also be confrontational

Hard aspects to Moon can result in them being prickly and snappy.Not to mention erratic.

Saturn aspects can make one "cold". But this may be unintentional.Saturn just has a tendency of making people seem "mean" when they really are reserved/shy.

posted April 13, 2016 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
I think primarily it's unhappiness that can make people behave in a hostile manner. At least in every case I can think of, a deep and enduring sense of unhappiness seems to be the underlying cause, regardless of the astro signature.

It's telling that their usually hostile demeanour gets milder once in a blue moon when these peeps are doing a little better for a change, only for them to revert back to default mode (=hostile) when the lucky streek passes.

IME, people who are able to treat others with unfailing kindness, at ALL times, even when in severe bodily pain or grief or unhappiness or stress, are very rare indeed. Most will snap at some point. Conversely, I doubt that anyone who actually feels content and happy in their own skin would display a generally hostile attitude towards others, ever. Thus I really see hostile demeanour as an unconscious cry for help ("doesn't anyone notice how bad I'm doing?!") which unfortunately has the opposite effect, and drives people further away.

For instance, the several cholerics I've known through the years who would randomly start to yell at people all have some bodily illness that makes their life miserable on a daily basis (chronic back pain, stomach ulcers, insomnia, etc) while other "hostile" people had life circumstances to deal with that were either depressing or too demanding - the proverbial stressed-out single mom with two jobs and no child support etc. People who are in the wrong profession who hate their job, day in day out. People who are unhappy in their marriage, but unable to break free. And so on. It seems to be a combination of being in a bad place and feeling stuck.

Looking at it that way, I doubt astrology will be able to show a single pattern to account for a generally hostile attitude in a person.

*ETA* But I think astrology can show how a given person, if severely stressed, would most likely express their hostility - whether they would explode in anger or rather become cuttingly cold and sarcastic, for instance. I'd look to the Moon and Mars for that, combined with Mercury. And, stressful transits would point out periods where such behavior is likely to occur.

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posted April 13, 2016 04:04 PM            

Not replying point for point...

But to those who listed aspects: do you base that off of someone you actually knew, who was unfriendly for the most part?

posted April 13, 2016 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I was thinking this as well (although I wouldn't have worded it as concisely and eloquently, lol).

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posted April 13, 2016 04:15 PM            

" In real life especially, people could insult me point blank and I would just nod as if nothing happened. People sometimes think I am stupid so they amplify the insult or obnoxious insinuation and I continue nodding like they didn't. "

posted April 13, 2016 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Vajra's writing ability makes me jealous.

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Yes, I totally agree and luckily you said that first, because when I read her post, I thought "wow! How does she do that, be so on point with accurate words and so penetrating in human psychology? Is she a psychologist perhaps? Should I ask her? Ohhh..nevermind, maybe another time, I shouldn't be so imprulsive in my reactions ----> thoughts in my head after I started learning astrology lol)