posted May 30, 2016 04:58 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
[b] That doesn't mean it never happened.

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Really? WHAT would? He was long gone by the time the police got there. What possible reason could there be for not telling them right after it happened if she was gonna file for divorce within hours and use this incident, literally? Could it be because they wouldn't have seen anything and because making a false report in California is a felony?

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posted May 30, 2016 05:42 PM            

This other fight took place the night of May 21, which was the full Moon in Sagittarius. The full Moon was conjunct Mars at 1 Sag, which squares Johnny's Uranus at 1 Virgo and Mars at 3 Virgo. That alone is a pretty harsh transit. Add to that the fact that his mother had just died the day before and his marriage was already falling apart, it's understandable for him to be in an emotionally volatile state. If alcohol or drugs were involved then it's even more likely that a fight between them would've gotten ugly and even abusive.

It would be very typical of a person with Mars/Uranus conjunction to have unpredictable explosive outbursts when angry. His Pluto is at 9 Virgo, 8 degrees from Uranus, and 6 degrees from Mars. That full Moon and Mars were both in his 4th house of emotions, squaring all of these planets. Also Pluto was not far from his Moon and Amber's Mars in Capricorn. Johnny has an exact Neptune in Scorpio sextile Moon in Capricorn. Transit Saturn was retrograde in Sag hitting the midpoint of those 2 planets, and was opposite his natal Sun by 4 degrees. Johnny has Leo AC squaring Neptune by 1 degree, perfect for an actor to portray different characters, and for people to project a certain image onto him that they choose to see.

I'm not claiming to know what happened between them, but I can see how a fight could have easily escalated. It's really disturbing that several people here are so certain that she's making the whole thing up. Especially because he has an admitted history of having a temper. Not just tabloid stories, but by his own admission. It's not such a stretch to believe there is truth to Amber's story, given their synastry and the transits taking place during the alleged incidents. People are capable of making up lies, and there is a huge financial incentive in this case to lie or exaggerate. However, I think it's wrong to vilify Amber by assuming that people know what Johnny Depp is like in his private life and what he is or isn't capable of.

posted May 30, 2016 05:51 PM            

Wow I didn't look at these transits.

As a Taurus rising, Scorpio moon transit always weird me out.

posted May 30, 2016 06:07 PM            

Since that full Moon was on her birthday it was exactly opposite her Sun, and just 4 degrees from her Pluto.

posted May 30, 2016 07:26 PM            

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Looking at her birth chart, I know someone wit a Sun-Pluto opposition in the same houses - sun-moon in 10th, pluto in the 4th; he came across as a plutonian, but he externalized the abuse, and considered himself to be the kindest person who was getting abused by others. From the chart, I'd say that she is a victim, although before looking at the chart, I tended not to believe her story.

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posted May 30, 2016 07:53 PM            

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How do you know her sun-pluto opposition fall into the 4th-10 house axis? I thought we didn't know her ascendant. That chart on the 1st page is using 12noon because her time of birth is unknown. Do you have an exact time of birth for her?

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posted May 30, 2016 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
It does become a problem when you use it to shame and blame a person because of the day/time they were born. "She has this in her chart, so she must be lying", "he has this in his chart, so it must be true", "she has Aries placements, she started it" It's ridiculous. You can find anything you want in a chart if you look hard enough.

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posted June 01, 2016 12:22 AM            

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http: //www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3618039/Defiant-Amber-Heard-says-never-wanted-report-Johnny-Depp-domestic-abuse-claims-FORCED-police-stop-smearing-character.html

The bodyguards have been interviewed by police apparently and said they heard them arguing and then she screened "stop beating me" so they run in the room and found her by the couch and him in the kitchen area about 20f away. There was no beating. They also said that during their whole mariage it was her always screaming and throwing fits at him and having mad temper. Not him. Their works. They will testify during the court hearing in June. Amber you re gone too far stop the charade or all the money you re gonna get is going to pay your enormous bills and your staff. Pathetic woman and for sure no hero because real victim don't self proclaim themself hero either.

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Amber did not proclaim herself a hero, her lawyer called her a hero. If you're going to be so biased at least get your facts straight.

Her lawyer said...

"Amber is the victim. Amber is a hero."

I also read that one of his bodyguards intervened when he was breaking things and asked him to calm down. Her claims of him throwing a phone at her are believable.

Amber does have Mercury square Neptune and Sun opposite Pluto, so I wouldn't put it past her to use lies or manipulation to get back at someone. The fact remains though that Johnny has a history of having an explosive temper and throwing things, and has had multiple fights in public. They have abuse markers in their synastry, and it's possible the abusive or aggressive tendencies go both ways. Why are you so convinced of his innocence? He's a multimillionaire and the only witnesses work for him. Maybe they're the ones lying for him.

posted June 01, 2016 01:13 AM            

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My ex of 15 years attacked me twice while in an uncontrollable rage. It was totally out of character, and if I had told people close to us they would've thought I was lying.

The fact is that no one knows the true inner dynamics between two people, except for the couple themselves. Also certain people can bring out different emotional reactions in others, and they have some harsh aspects between them. Even if his ex's were never attacked by him, it doesn't mean that it's impossible for him to have done it to Amber.

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posted June 01, 2016 01:41 AM            

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I honestly don't care if he did or not, but frankly, I hope he did. Overdue. Shoulda made it worth it if he did. (Gasp!)
And you have the nerve to say 'bias'. SMH

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You should be ashamed of yourself! You're promoting domestic violence? What exactly do you think she did to deserve it? Since you seem to have so much inside information about their lives. You should be very careful what you wish on others, because that energy will come back to you twofold.

posted June 01, 2016 05:44 AM            

She had a phone in her hand and slammed it against her face is what I believe as the so called bruises were not there before when LAPD came to home plus he was gone. But his previous history makes it look bad. But I have a very strong feeling there is going to be something that will happen no one is going to see coming and Johnny will be vindicated.

posted June 01, 2016 06:37 AM            

Astrology aside, both logic and intuition tell me she is lying.
There was the recent episode where she tried to smuggle her dogs into australia,without informing the authorities.-not the most honest action, is it?

That bruise was not there when the police arrived, nor did she,at that point claim violence.

She is openly gay,and was still in close association with her ex,whom it transpires ,she was sort of married to, as well as at least one other gay friend, whom she was spending an awful lot of time with.

she files for divorce just a day or two after his mother dies-seriously-who would do that? Clearly not the most compassionate or empathic person on the planet, is she?

He admits openly that he has a temper and there have been incidents in the past in hotel rooms and such like, but there have never been reports that he was ever violent towards women.
He has a long string of ex's ,all who claim he was lovely to them and non have ever claimed that he was violent.
That shows that these women have more fond memories of their relationship with Johnny ,than bad ones,at least.

She is over 20 years younger than him . What would someone of her age, who is clearly gay want with a man of his age? Money ,of course. She saw him coming and like many middle aged men,he fell for the bait of a much younger, beautiful woman .

hopefully, he will learn from this, and it won't harm his career too much

posted June 01, 2016 06:42 AM            

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I honestly don't care if he did or not, but frankly, I hope he did. Overdue. Shoulda made it worth it if he did. (Gasp!)
And you have the nerve to say 'bias'. SMH

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You clearly do care. And wow, you're really one of these people who promote violence on someone you never knew or met.

Maybe frankly in your head JD can do no wrong and how dare Amberbor anyone accuse him of anything. Not only that you just seem to have no respect of my request, as thread owner that all posts should be linked to astrological analysis.

posted June 01, 2016 06:53 AM            

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Originally posted by alegna:
In my experience, most people who have mercury in square to neptune tend to twist the truth.

Astrology aside, both logic and intuition tell me she is lying.
There was the recent episode where she tried to smuggle her dogs into australia,without informing the authorities.-not the most honest action, is it?

That bruise was not there when the police arrived, nor did she,at that point claim violence.

She is openly gay,and was still in close association with her ex,whom it transpires ,she was sort of married to, as well as at least one other gay friend, whom she was spending an awful lot of time with.

she files for divorce just a day or two after his mother dies-seriously-who would do that? Clearly not the most compassionate or empathic person on the planet, is she?

He admits openly that he has a temper and there have been incidents in the past in hotel rooms and such like, but there have never been reports that he was ever violent towards women.
He has a long string of ex's ,all who claim he was lovely to them and non have ever claimed that he was violent.
That shows that these women have more fond memories of their relationship with Johnny ,than bad ones,at least.

She is over 20 years younger than him . What would someone of her age, who is clearly gay want with a man of his age? Money ,of course. She saw him coming and like many middle aged men,he fell for the bait of a much younger, beautiful woman .

hopefully, he will learn from this, and it won't harm his career too much

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She's bisexual, not gay. You just seem to have very conservative views towards her sexuality. Gay marriage wasn't allowed at the time she changed her name but she did changed it back when she got married to Hindi I'm not seeing any problems here.

Johnny Depp said they didn't just smuggle the dogs (hinting he smuggled drugs as well). So the lying part is both of them.

Only 2 of his exes came out in support for him ... So the other ones still don't know what's true and not.

Depp was high and drunk even a day or two before his mother died. And after her death, he's no problems performing music on tour so perhaps her death was expected due to her ad health? I'm not insinuating that he doesn't care for his mother but in some situation some people view death as a relief for a loved one in pain.

In all honesty people without Mercury-Neptune aspects lie too because almost everyone lie.

I do however think that since things have gotten so ugly, I would not let pass her that she exaggerated how things happen but it would seem very disturbing if she made it all up.

posted June 01, 2016 07:12 AM            

I have read reports of both Kate Moss and Winona ryder saying how good he was to them and that they remember him fondly -why would they say such things if he was abusive?

posted June 01, 2016 08:32 AM            

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Hearttreasure, thank you

Some of the reactions are really upsetting to me, because I know firsthand how people can do things that are so different than their public persona that others find it impossible to believe.

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posted June 01, 2016 08:35 AM            

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Whether or not Johnny Depp is guilty, there’s no doubt his reputation and status as a deeply loved, successful and well paid actor will prevail. Amber Heard’s future is less assured. Because a society, we are infinitely more forgiving of men who are violent towards women than we are of the rare cases when a woman is being dishonest (the vast majority of dropped domestic violence cases hit a wall not because of any evidence of lying, but because women, often guilty, ashamed, scared for their personal safety or of facing their abuser in court, cease to co-operate with the police or CPS). National treasure Ozzy Osbourne tried to strangle now-estranged wife Sharon, convicted rapist Mike Tyson is now some sort of novelty act on reality TV, Chris Brown still enjoys a lucrative career after beating the crap out of Rihanna. Fortune favours the famous male perpetrator, sometimes much more so than it does the woman terrorised at his hands.

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posted June 01, 2016 08:53 AM            

You are comparing this to cases of extreme violence where women got seriously hurt.

Amber's bruise was not there when the police arrived, nor did ahe make any accusations at the time. It's more likely that the bruise was self inflicted at a later point in time.