posted June 07, 2016 06:41 AM            

I have both, in combination with Uranus aspects. It's rather amazing that I ever decided to get married and settle down with a family.

Prior to meeting my husband, I had considered being a foster parent if I met the right person to do that with, but we decided to have our own children instead.

posted June 08, 2016 02:00 PM            

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There is this belief that I have practiced for a long time; that if I can’t change my mind or be open ended, it’s all over i.e. death will follow(first internally and then eventually physically).

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posted June 08, 2016 02:43 PM            

But an age factor has something to do with it as well.

Most women after a certain age start to fear not having had the opportunity to have kids so they start trying to get into some kind of formal relationship

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But my personal opinion is that marriage is not Gemini thing on 1st place, especially Gemini guys and if they have a lot of air in their chart....

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I'm very mercurial and once I figure what I want the situation changes and it turns out not what I wanted in the first place.

For example let say I settle with a partner that wants children, I figure that the economy should improve by 2018 so raising a family is no big deal.

Then 2018 comes and I realize that was a little too optimistic and the economy doesn't improve so I change my mind and say no to raising a family.

I bet Johnny Depp is realizing that Amber Heard wasn't what he originally wanted and he's going try as much as he can to get out of it while maintaining his reputation.

Quick to commit and then quick to run once things aren't as planned.

posted June 14, 2016 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGem:

But an age factor has something to do with it as well.

Most women after a certain age start to fear not having had the opportunity to have kids so they start trying to get into some kind of formal relationship

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I'm sorry, but I will have to haggle over the term "most women" here. I don't believe that to be true, in my experience.

I've seen it, in some people.

Age did play a part for me, haphazardly.

I was not seeking a formal relationship at all when I met my husband. I had just disengaged from some very toxic people I had been dating (yes, I was dating one person off and on for many years, and dating other people in between), and I was far more interested in going out with my friends (which is what I was doing when I met my husband at a show, where we both knew people in common).

So no, my change of heart was entirely unexpected, and not something I was out deliberately seeking.

posted June 14, 2016 12:07 PM            

I would mostly just scoff, and ask why I would possibly want the hassle of a ton of paperwork if/when it didn't work out, when I could just as easily commit emotionally to one person without said paperwork or a ring.

That's all it really meant to me. Paperwork and a ring, nothing I was remotely interested in.

But (although I won't change my name thus far), my marriage means more to me. I don't know how to put words to that, but it just does.

posted June 14, 2016 12:19 PM            

I've never trashed marriage, I just always knew it wasn't for me. I like to study, learn all the time, have a peaceful home. There are lots of indicators in my chart saying if I did marry I would want to maintain and have my own interests etc. however I have venus trine saturn. But still, at very young age, I knew I didn't and wouldn't ever marry or have kids. Even announced it. Was engaged once, love does happen...but thankfully got away as that was an unsafe situation.

I've never entertained the idea since and even then had no intention of changing my surname or religion or anything else for marriage.

posted June 14, 2016 01:59 PM            

Anyway, we should look at the charts of monks and nuns, even though they are supposed to be married to the Lord.

For never married, I would say Saturn in 7th in stressful aspects with other planets. Uranus in 7th, also in stressful aspects. Sometimes Neptune in 7th can also do that.

For people who are in long term cohabitation but never make it formal, I would look at each individual's Uranus and Neptune and what aspects they are making to their 7th houses and also the composite should give us clues.

posted June 14, 2016 02:03 PM            

Now, at 31, I've almost been engaged to twice by long term boyfriends but I knew they weren't the "one" so I called it off when I sensed it was coming. They told me later that they were going to propose.

I later became cynical of relationships and marriage. I am only 31 but I have numerous friends who are now divorced and single mothers. Not to bad mouth anyone or judge anyone who has gotten divorced so young, but I don't believe there is much importance placed on marriages nowadays. It seems like it's always about the wedding party.

It saddens me when I see girls who get engaged, and the way they announce it is by posting up a picture of the ring on Facebook. Not of the couple, but solely of the ring. I actually had one friend announce it by saying "Does this ring make me look engaged"? It makes me cringe because marriage isn't about a wedding, a party, or even the ring. It's about two people coming together and supporting each other through the good and bad, being best friends even when you're mad at them, loving them and doing your best to make them happy every day of their life. That's my definition of marriage. And maybe that's why I'm so cynical of most marriages. I feel like the majority of women just care about the wedding and once the thrill of being engaged and a newly wed is over, they realize what work marriage is, and they bail.

posted June 14, 2016 02:06 PM            

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How did this thread become a debate on marriage?

Anyway, we should look at the charts of monks and nuns, even though they are supposed to be married to the Lord.

For never married, I would say Saturn in 7th in stressful aspects with other planets. Uranus in 7th, also in stressful aspects. Sometimes Neptune in 7th can also do that.

For people who are in long term cohabitation but never make it formal, I would look at each individual's Uranus and Neptune and what aspects they are making to their 7th houses and also the composite should give us clues.

And I would also look at fixed houses on the angles.

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I don't see this as being a debate on marriage. *shrug*

My best friend has Saturn in H7 in hard aspect to her Sun and Libra stellium, and she got married fairly young.

Another friend of mine also has Saturn in H7 with some hard aspects, and was likewise married for many years and had five kids with her husband.

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I wonder, what do you think, what can indicate that person will never get married or will live with someone without papers, what placements, aspects?

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I don't know if monks and nuns really qualify as "living with someone without papers", but okay.

posted June 14, 2016 02:07 PM            

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How did this thread become a debate on marriage?

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posted June 14, 2016 02:13 PM            

It seemed like a standard LL sidetrack of talking about our personal experiences, relating to the topic.

posted June 14, 2016 02:13 PM            

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I'm surprised that you have to ask. It's all but impossible to post anything that could be remotely controversial and expect it to stay strictly on astrology.

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LOL, you're right.

I had no idea marriage was so controversial, unless people are debating whether or not gays should marry. Then it becomes controversial.

Marriage has been around for millenia. imo, it's not going anywhere. Even in the age of Aquarius.

posted June 14, 2016 02:17 PM            

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I bet if we were to look at the anti marriage posters, we would find interesting placements regarding their 7th houses.

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posted June 14, 2016 02:36 PM            

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And also, unless you're 65 and never married, you really cannot bring your personal experience into this. I have met too many people who in their youth swore up and down they would not get marry, only to tie up the knot in their 40s, 50s or even 60s. Especially guys are famous for this.

That's it! I am off my soap box.

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posted June 14, 2016 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
[b]Polkadotstars, I agree with you about marriage. Maybe that's both of us having our Pisces Suns in H8, if I'm not mistaken? To people like us, if we choose to get married, it's never going to be about something materialistic and vapid, that just isn't the point for us.

I was 33 when I met my husband, and 36 when I had our son. [/B]

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I wonder if my Moon/Venus in the 8th has anything to do with it then. I don't think I ever trashed marriage (someone said something above about that), but I remember worrying that my parents were rushing into things when they remarried.

posted June 14, 2016 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Seriously?
A handful of Wtf moments reading that line of logic.

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