posted July 11, 2016 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I think I would watch two possible charts, one with Asc in first several degrees of Virgo with Jupiter in 12th/Parallel Venus [9 north]; the other in early Cancer/conj Moon & opp Uranus. I'd give it more time and life events to make a determination.

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posted July 11, 2016 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Faith, what you've described is a sensible way to adjust your chart. Have you noticed transits having tighter timing?

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My life is uneventful lately, so that is difficult to say.

However your post to me, this question, in my location the event chart for your post has an ASC of 24 Libra, and I think my IC is 25 or 26 Libra.

Then just as I typed that I got an email about a bake sale happening "on the 24th or 25th." ETA: And this is post #26

posted July 12, 2016 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I know nothing about you and almost nothing about your chart. So I don't have enough basis for an opinion.

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Oh haha you're right! Sorry about that, I think I might start a thread about it

posted July 12, 2016 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Kannon, I tried to match up transits with my recent divorce but they didn't match. Well, Todd did over in interpersonal one time.
Wouldn't that be a major event you could use?
Or the death of my father back in 2007 perhaps?

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Yes, the best events are those that more directly test the Asc/DC axis and the MC/IC axis. So marriage, divorce, physical injuries test Asc/DC; moves of residence, separation/divorce, deaths (especially parents), career promotions can test MC/IC.

One possible reason your recent divorce transits may appear to not confirm your Asc is the most important ones were operating in declination (parallel, contra-parallel). Of course, your Asc could be off.

posted July 12, 2016 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Would this affect houses?

I have never related to my Moon in the 11th.

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Yes, it can. It still goes back to rising sign, however. Do you relate to the one indicated by your specific birth time?

posted July 13, 2016 06:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, it can. It still goes back to rising sign, however. Do you relate to the one indicated by your specific birth time?

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posted July 13, 2016 06:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
I also have this... I think that it has to do with the fact that the 11th house is often highly misunderstood... Better examples of 11th house are "love received", sacrificing your individuality for the "greater good", and maybe having to have be an "adult" during childhood or parents constantly showing off your "genius" not allowing you to be a kid.

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Saturn8,
thank you for this. I do deeply relate to the loss of the developing identity in childhood, I was definitely treated more like an adult by both my parents, in different ways.

Where could I find more accurate information?

posted July 13, 2016 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I've had issues with my Ascendant before for the same reasons listed in this thread. If we go by my birth certificate my Ascendant is in early degrees Sagittarius, but I struggled for years to see how that could fit me and I couldn't relate to any descriptions of this placement no matter which site or book I went to for answers. No one could mistake me as a Sagittarius rising. Those qualities just aren't the first impression people have of me.

I've had to rectify my chart multiple times. The first time I rectified it without looking for transits. The last time I rectified it I used transits to track down my accurate degree and now I believe I've got my correct chart. Multiple other transits since then have me convinced of this as well. I have a late degree Scorpio Ascendant. I used transits from Pluto and Neptune to confirm my suspicions.

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Oh wow.

posted July 13, 2016 01:22 PM            

Lerena, thanks for chiming in, and well done. John Willner (NCGR astrologer mentioned above) had this same scenario. Birth time pointed to Sagittarius rising, but he knew he was not, and instead had a late degree of Scorpio rising.

AscTaurus, the key to this is using all planets by understanding what they mean in relation to occurrences in a person's life. Uranus is a good planet to look to, partly because it is slower moving, so in a sense the longer time of its transits gives more opportunities for verifying events. Also its energy deals in occurrences that are out of the ordinary by its very nature -- particularly when in hard aspect to the Asc (parallel, conjunction, square, contra-parallel, opposition).

posted July 13, 2016 01:30 PM            

Remember, it is not all the sign. Planets in close hard aspect to the Asc are stronger than the sign, because they are more specific. Therefore, a person with Sag rising who does not seem expansive and outgoing can have Saturn, say parallel, conjunct, square, contra-parallel, or opposite their Asc. When this type of aspect is tight enough that planet's energy can become more specific to their personality than the sign over the Asc, because the sign is a 30-degree wide background.

By the same token, a person with say Scorpio rising can be more outgoing (seeming more fiery or Sag-like) if a planet like Jupiter is in the same type of close aspect to the Asc.

This is especially true of more than one planet of similar polarity (+) (-) aspects the Asc.

posted July 13, 2016 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The rising signs have an alternating polarity of (+)Fire, (-)Earth, (+)Air, (-)Water ... which can help us in determining rising sign.

Remember, it is not all the sign. Planets in close hard aspect to the Asc are stronger than the sign, because they are more specific. Therefore, a person with Sag rising who does not seem expansive and outgoing can have Saturn, say parallel, conjunct, square, contra-parallel, or opposite their Asc. When this type of aspect is tight enough that planet's energy can become more specific to their personality than the sign over the Asc, because the sign is a 30-degree wide background.

By the same token, a person with say Scorpio rising can be more outgoing (seeming more fiery or Sag-like) if a planet like Jupiter is in the same type of close aspect to the Asc.

This is especially true of more than one planet of similar polarity (+) (-) aspects the Asc.

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I have virtually have a chart on my ASc. (slight exaggeration), so god knows how I would get to the bottom of it.

posted July 13, 2016 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
[b]Voix_de_la_Mer, That's a tough one. If you want you can email me your complete birth data and I will take a look at it.

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That's very kind of you Kannon, how will I get your email address?

posted July 14, 2016 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Its at the top of every page of my website, which is linked in the signature of every post I make.

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posted July 14, 2016 04:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju9MgcxBcOw

http://newwayastrology.tumblr.com/post/5327133317/the-11th-house ...(he used to have a really good in-depth article on it somewhere, but I can't find it. I think they may have taken the website down... he also has 11th house examples on this blog).

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgelevhouse_e.htm

..... hope, these shed some light.

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posted July 14, 2016 04:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju9MgcxBcOw

http://newwayastrology.tumblr.com/post/5327133317/the-11th-house ...(he used to have a really good in-depth article on it somewhere, but I can't find it. I think they may have taken the website down... he also has 11th house examples on this blog).

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgelevhouse_e.htm

..... hope, these shed some light.

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Interesting video. So she is saying that the 11th is the house of "support" for actualising the 10th.

posted July 14, 2016 12:07 PM            

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Oh wow.

Lauren Delsak(whom i think is amazing) also uses the two slow moving planetary transits to resolve Ascendant issues in her video "testing the accuracy of the birthtime" on youtube.

Did you use Uranus at all? Some astrologers swear by this planet too.

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As for Uranus not much seemed to be happening at the time of transits to my natal chart. I did have Draconic Transit Uranus squaring my Draconic Mercury last Halloween though.

Other dates that Draconic Uranus showed up:
January 8th, 2011, the date of what I think is my True Node Return. Transit Draconic Uranus was conjunct Draconic Mars.

October 26th, 2014 - Transit Draconic Uranus was conjunct Draconic Moon.

December 7th, 2014 - Transit Draconic Uranus was square my Draconic Mars. Draconic Pluto made a conjunction to Draconic Mars on this date as well.

Uranus Retrograde will transit my natal Mercury on October 29th this year. It will be a conjunction.