posted July 14, 2016 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
[QUOTE][b]Oh wow.

Lauren Delsak(whom i think is amazing) also uses the two slow moving planetary transits to resolve Ascendant issues in her video "testing the accuracy of the birthtime" on youtube.

Did you use Uranus at all? Some astrologers swear by this planet too.

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As for Uranus not much seemed to be happening at the time of transits to my natal chart. I did have Draconic Transit Uranus squaring my Draconic Mercury last Halloween though.

Other dates that Draconic Uranus showed up:
January 8th, 2011, the date of what I think is my True Node Return. Transit Draconic Uranus was conjunct Draconic Mars.

October 26th, 2014 - Transit Draconic Uranus was conjunct Draconic Moon.

December 7th, 2014 - Transit Draconic Uranus was square my Draconic Mars. Draconic Pluto made a conjunction to Draconic Mars on this date as well.

Uranus Retrograde will transit my natal Mercury on October 29th this year. It will be a conjunction.

Very sneaky Uranus. I didn't even notice you on those dates.[/B][/QUOTE]

The Draconic chart is a fascinating find too. Still getting used to the idea of having Draconic Sun in Libra though.

I think what I wanted to ask you is ; are you able to track the transits in a more clearer way now?

For instance, if Jupiter is in Virgo and is transiting the 7th etc. Are you able to read the interpretations and relate?

To be perfectly honest, I relate better to the planet-planet transits than I do the house overlays.

When Saturn hit my Venus in 2014..that was painful. I really felt a deep sense of depression that was not at all overridden by profound insights.

posted July 14, 2016 03:26 PM            

I understand that the houses are a companion topic to the accuracy of your Asc/zero point, but let's take that to another thread where it can get proper treatment. I've been looking for a post I made in someone else's thread in which I gave a functional summary of the houses, but for some reason I cannot find it.

I think it may be time to start another thread on house meanings, but that may have to be another day unless someone wants to do that.

posted July 14, 2016 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, the best events are those that more directly test the Asc/DC axis and the MC/IC axis. So marriage, divorce, physical injuries test Asc/DC; moves of residence, separation/divorce, deaths (especially parents), career promotions can test MC/IC.

One possible reason your recent divorce transits may appear to not confirm your Asc is the most important ones were operating in declination (parallel, contra-parallel). Of course, your Asc could be off.

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Thanks Kannon.
So what transits including declinations indicate:
Death of father
Marriage
Divorce
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posted July 15, 2016 06:57 AM            

And to think that the Asc is supposed to be what astrologers describe as "the first thing people notice about you". One would think that it should make it easy to find? No sir,it is not

I think I'll have to wait for something major to occur in my life i.e marriage, death of a loved one or a peak in my career etc. before I can ascertain the position of my Asc.

posted July 15, 2016 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Apologies..I digress.

[b]And to think that the Asc is supposed to be what astrologers describe as "the first thing people notice about you". One would think that it should make it easy to find? No sir,it is not

I think I'll have to wait for something major to occur in my life i.e marriage, death of a loved one or a peak in my career etc. before I can ascertain the position of my Asc.

For now,Taurus seems to describe my external personality and the "down to earth" nature people say I exude.[/B]

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They're right. The Asc is almost always involved when two people interact. The Moon (our needs) is most attracted to the Asc. Using progressions, the Asc has become very easy for me to locate. Not necessarily the exact time, but the sign.

The #1 connection between two people is Asc/Sun conj Moon.

posted July 15, 2016 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Thanks Kannon.
So what transits including declinations indicate:
Death of father
Marriage
Divorce
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The planets that most fit the event as it happened. Was it a sudden death? If so, Uranus might be involved. Did it involve a slow decline? If so Saturn, Neptune, Pluto might be involved.

Similarly, for divorces and marriages. One of the reasons marriages often occur with strong Jupiter transits to the correct Asc is that it brings winds of confidence that help nudge the person from relationship to commitment. Enthusiasm, optimism. But outer planets are often needed in the transits, especially for those who value their freedom more or who are more cautious: Uranus, Pluto, etc - see?

posted July 16, 2016 12:02 AM            

What I recommend if the rising sign is uncertain is to write down the best summary of your personality and strengths you can. Get others who know you well to give you their point of view. It is important to do this first in non-astrological terms so that this can be translated into astrological ones.

This can also be helpful even when the Ascendant's sign is not in question, but there is a range of options in how the planets could be situation in relation to it.
Planets in strong aspect to the Asc can show up in terms of personality and strengths so that such an inventory taking can eliminate segments of a sign or point directly to the right zone.

posted July 16, 2016 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The planets that most fit the event as it happened. Was it a sudden death? If so, Uranus might be involved. Did it involve a slow decline? If so Saturn, Neptune, Pluto might be involved.

Similarly, for divorces and marriages. One of the reasons marriages often occur with strong Jupiter transits to the correct Asc is that it brings winds of confidence that help nudge the person from relationship to commitment. Enthusiasm, optimism. But outer planets are often needed in the transits, especially for those who value their freedom more or who are more cautious: Uranus, Pluto, etc - see?

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posted July 19, 2016 04:37 PM            

This is especially true if the meeting/marriage was an especially transformative one, highly influential in shaping your later life. (Can even include encounters with teachers/healers who change your life).

Aries & Virgo = 0 - 11.5° North
Taurus & Leo = 11.5 - 20° North
Gemini / Cancer 20 - 23.5° North

Libra & Pisces = 0 - 11.5° South
Scorpio & Aqua = 11.5 - 20° South
Sag / Cap 20 - 23.5° South

Pluto's path does not follow the ecliptic (Sun's path) closely at all. So Pluto at 1° Scorpio can be at 3° North declination parallel Asc in late Virgo, or contra-parallel Asc in early early/mid-Libra.

posted July 19, 2016 10:56 PM            

I have some questions.

1. I looked at the date when I registered getting married in paper three weeks ago, the transit Jupiter is conjunct my natal Saturn by 1 degree, separating; transit NN conjunct natal Saturn exactly; transit Nepturn conjunct my SN by 3 degrees, separating. I am a Virgo ASC with Virgo Sun/Venus/NN and Saturn in 1st house. Is it possible when marrying when transit planets conjunct natal NN and Saturn without inner planets involved? If not, my early ASC needs to be rectified a few degrees farther, I think.

2. One friend's life underwent big change in the past two years. One is in a sudden, transfered to thousands of miles away to work for a branch company, thought it was temperary, while his boss told him to move his house and family to this new place, so half a year, his family relocated. About 1.5 year later, his wife had a fight with him which he said they never fought, she requested a divorce. So he is dealing with the separation/divorce this half a year. By the way, his two adult children got graduated from university last year too. I am thinking what might cause those changes.

Thank you.

posted July 20, 2016 09:42 AM            

Due to the fact that I'm the shortest of all of my family members and have some features (soft chin, eyes, kind of naive/innocent looking face) I thought for a long time that my ASC was Pisces, but now I realize that it could be any number of aspects to my unknown ASC responsible for those features. Or just genetics.

Personality wise, I'm kind of stuck between Sag or Cap ASC. I find it interesting that your description of Cap mentions the mischief/prankster quality. I'm typically serious 99.9% of the time but dark humor tends to crack me up. I go through spells of being silly. I also have a tendency to talk to myself in a very self-deprecating way while I'm working that other people find funny (even when I'm being serious). But that could also probably be the result of being a triple Virgo and having Gemini Moon/Mars. It's hard to know.

I'm fortunate in that all of my family members are still alive. I've never been married or divorced. I do have quite a few health issues and have had a few accidents and unfortunate events, though. Would those suffice for dates/times to work with?

ETA: What about things like loss of a home? Should I be able to track something like that in my chart? (It was a house fire so I'm assuming Aries/Mars would likely be involved with maybe the IC/4th house.)

posted July 20, 2016 02:36 PM            

It is actually not necessary for any planets to make any noticeable transit to the Asc/DC axis of the birth chart when a marriage takes place. They didn't on my marriage date. However, there will almost certainly be transiting planets in the 7th house, or the 1st, and/or transits to natal personal points (Venus, 7th ruler(s), Moon, MC/IC).

In your case, it sounds like Sun/Venus/NN and Saturn in 1st house can be the 'targets' for planets in transit for a major relational event, especially if from the 7th house, or if in the 1st. So yes, for there to be no transits to personal planets, because in a sense anything in the 1st is 'personal' and anything in transiting through the 7th is a 'relational' trigger.

I cannot answer the question related to the chart of the 3rd party since I don't have the chart or enough information.

posted July 20, 2016 02:41 PM            

Yes, it is possible -- if you have precisely dated "accidents and unfortunate events" -- that there is enough to work with for a rectification.

However, moves of residence and loss of a home are even better -- but yikes! Sorry that happened ...

If those are precisely dated, or at least narrowed down to what part of a month (early/middle/end), then they can be even more helpful.

If you like, go to my site and make note of my email there and send me your complete birth data. I can give you a free assessment of the situation related to the Asc sign/possible modifying aspects for you to contemplate. Occasionally, its a lucky one in which the answer is clear and decisive.

posted July 20, 2016 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
OK so my client was shocked when I told her I was a virgo and she said she swore I was a Sagittarius which I get a lot so IDK it could be my southnode in Sag or I do have Sag rising at 13d as my time of birth suggests.

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As I understand it your birth time was recorded as noon straight up (based on other posts in LL). How likely do you think that is exactly correct?

Not trying to merely cast doubt here, but an Asc is an astrological determination, not a medical one (or one of an approximate state record).

So if your Asc is in Sag ...

13SAG32 = 22S26 declination parallel Neptune 22S11.

If it is actually earlier in Sag, it could be conjunct/parallel Uranus [21S11], but that could bring in a doubled effect with Jupiter, and probably a wider, fuller face than is typical with Sag rising, Moon & Sun in mutables -- and much more restless energy, probably living far from where you were born.

If your Asc is actually forward a bit so it is square Mercury more tightly, that would also tighten the square to the Moon, which would be a very perceptive, possibly quieter than usual Sag riser, analytical, but not critical, see?

posted July 21, 2016 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by mollywu:
Many thanks, Kannon.

Another question, can we use progresssion too besides transit.

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You can, but things change quite a lot with orbs. Active progressions that confirm an Asc must be within 0°05' of exact. You'll also tend to confuse yourself if you aren't well trained or very well practiced at what to look for. In addition programs like astro.com's are not accurate enough to properly calculate the MC and house cusps (including sometimes the Asc). You get what you pay for.

I don't recommend laypersons use progressions for this.

posted July 22, 2016 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
As I understand it your birth time was recorded as noon straight up (based on other posts in LL). How likely do you think that is exactly correct?

Not trying to merely cast doubt here, but an Asc is an astrological determination, not a medical one (or one of an approximate state record).

So if your Asc is in Sag ...

13SAG32 = 22S26 declination [b]parallel Neptune 22S11.

If it is actually earlier in Sag, it could be conjunct/parallel Uranus [21S11], but that could bring in a doubled effect with Jupiter, and probably a wider, fuller face than is typical with Sag rising, Moon & Sun in mutables -- and much more restless energy, probably living far from where you were born.

If your Asc is actually forward a bit so it is square Mercury more tightly, that would also tighten the square to the Moon, which would be a very perceptive, possibly quieter than usual Sag riser, analytical, but not critical, see?

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My mom says I was born around noon but she says I was born at around 12:30pm but birth certificate does say 12:00pm. Based on your theory if we go back about two hours from that point that would put me at 10:30am and give me an AC in Scorpio at 23d conjuncting my Psyche, my husband's Mars, Uranus and DC and my ex sun and Uranus..

AC in Scorpio would make sense too, it would explain the intensity in my eyes, my paranoia, my obessisive nature, the constant theme of loss and letting go in my life, how people describe me as spunky and fiesty, also this constant theme of being told since a young age starting with my parents that I don't realize how passionate my eyes and face get when I am upset and that I look scary like I want to kill someone sometimes but that when I am in a good mood is so nice to have me around bc I am so sweet and affectionate unlike my brother and sister etc...so two extremes sides to my nature. It would explain why I feel so comfortable with Scorpios but never have bonded much with Sagittarius surprisingly unless they have Venus in Scorpio! It explains how I say things for shock value and to shake things up, my strong desire nature and need for intensity, my tremendous difficulty letting go, how attached I get...

It would explain why I have never identified with having sun in the 10th and mercury conjunct MC! Mercury would still be in the 10th but not attached to the MC and ruling my 8th which makes a lot of sense bc I am a therapist. It would put my Jupiter conjunct Uranus in my 1st house so it makes sense I would still identify with sag rising description.