posted July 21, 2016 06:20 PM            

i had deeper emotional connections and felt my reality change even in my dreams my entire reality was different.

this is what i pay attention to in primary. the changing of a planet or body through signs, will be hard to predict any "specific" events, but they will indicate life changes. for example i became more sexual and started connecting to girls on a deeper level with 8th house moon. it indicates that i may find a girlfriend more so than before.

when my jupiter was in the 6th i was inclined to helping and charity work. when it progresses to the 5th, i noticed that was all out the window- i didnt even pay attention or care anymore. and i just made art.

posted July 21, 2016 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It can be true that death predictions work like voodoo and induce death.

It can also be true that astrologers can predict hiccups.

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If you said something like predicting laughter (ease of tension in planets) I could believe that. Hiccups are a bit different, some people never get them. I haven't had them for years.

I'm not buying into the hiccup prediction. He may have been able to psychically sense the hiccup incident to happen. I don't see what could astrologically show. Since it all happened within a day, he must have been taking into account the MH, vertex, Asc/dsc aspects. Because he predicted all those things happening in one day. I don't see any ASC conjunction a planet or anything else insinuating a hiccup. Seems farfetched.

Were they drinking in the story?

Edit: Maybe something with Cancer since cancer rules the lungs/chest. MH conjunct a planet in Cancer. Or a firey planet moving into the 4th. (Just came up with this on the spot- but seems possible now that I think about it. Planet-Body rulerships are powerful, I know they are because I experienced each house progress)

posted July 21, 2016 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
If you said something like predicting laughter (ease of tension in planets) I could believe that. Hiccups are a bit different, some people never get them. I haven't had them for years.

I'm not buying into the hiccup prediction. He may have been able to psychically sense the hiccup incident to happen. I don't see what could astrologically show. Since it all happened within a day, he must have been taking into account the MH, vertex, Asc/dsc aspects. Because he predicted all those things happening in one day. I don't see any ASC conjunction a planet or anything else insinuating a hiccup. Seems farfetched.

Were they drinking in the story?

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I honestly don't know why it's farfetched.

posted July 21, 2016 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Dear God, I need to go to sleep Can't believe we've been discussing hiccups!
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I thought it was farfetched as well. Until I realized it could be something cancer/lung/chest related transit to MH or somewhere. Interesting

posted July 21, 2016 07:01 PM            

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The short answer why it's not possible: It's the same reason why you can't see anything smaller than an electron using an electron miscroscope. Every method of measurement and observation has a maximum resolution. The fastest-moving traditional chart object is the AC/DC which moves very roughly one degree every four minutes. Everything else takes much longer to move even one degree, including the asteroids. So only the transiting AC/DC or MC/IC could basically be used for this type of minute event timing. But the same tAC degree also recurs once every day, which means the hiccup constellation (if there is any, such as tAC conj. nHiccup) should also recur once a day - but hiccups typically don't occur that regularly (at least not in anyone I know).

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But the same could be said about death or even birth, right?

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But if there should be several, not just one, possible hiccup markers that sometimes manifest a hiccup and sometimes don't - then again your tool of analysis becomes much too ambiguous and imprecise for the purpose of timing such minute events, given the level of resolution needed.

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Ok but there can be an intuitive element worked into each astrologer's predictive methods, where certain configurations result in a unique interpretation that matches a unique circumstance?

posted July 21, 2016 07:04 PM            

I'm pretty sure I shared the notion with Vajra that Hiccups specifically, are something so minute to predict. Plus if hiccups are something created from cause and effect, such as drinking, then if you don't drink anything, it's not going to occur.

"When the air rushing in hits your voice box, your vocal cords close suddenly and you're left with a big hiccup. Some things that irritate the diaphragm are eating too quickly or too much, an irritation in the stomach or the throat, or feeling nervous or excited. Almost all cases of the hiccups last only a few minutes."

posted July 21, 2016 07:09 PM            

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@Faith

I'm pretty sure I shared the notion with Vajra that Hiccups specifically, are something so minute to predict. Plus if hiccups are something created from cause and effect, such as drinking, then if you don't drink anything, it's not going to occur.

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posted July 21, 2016 07:52 PM            

You have the patience of a Buddhist.

Back to my Aries Jupiter boxing with your Aries moon just for fun... 'Cuz we like boxing.

There are astrological feats that I suspect are impossible because I cannot do them, but I like to maintain them in the realm of possibility for an astrologer more capable than myself. Indeed some astrologers have made some remarkable predictions. I remember seeing predictions about Prince George before he was born, and I watched them come true.

Occasionally we do have instances of breakthroughs where a semi-specific prediction is made with a large degree of certainty, and it comes true.

[Ceri, please come and talk about Daily Age Harmonics and how Mercury on the angles resulted in communication every single time?]

No, we cannot predict when a baby will be born, but sometimes looking at the birth chart we say, "That just makes SO MUCH SENSE, when you consider her parents, grandparents, their transits, and so on!" Hindsight is 20-20...so could foresight ever be 20-20, since the time (the chart) already exists before the event happens?

And while hiccups are a "normal" body function, maybe an astrologer could detect "slight anomaly in breathing," all things considered? Maybe...

Here is a thread I did on predictions:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/234381.html

I was expecting communication from my Aquarius brother at the time, and on page 3 I posted the chart for when he actually contacted me.

Now, emails happen all the time (depending on how many people like you....) but this one was salient and part of an ongoing drama, AND my brother is probably a Leo moon, so the sun is key. Plus I mean a lot to him. Well he contacted me with the transiting MC exactly on his sun-Mercury.

Maybe I could have predicted that, even though emails are minor, commonplace events. The rest of the story provides enough context to give a hint of what the chart should look like. I feel like I could have known when he was going to contact me.

Soooo close.

Alright I think I've worn on everyone's patience enough now.

posted July 21, 2016 07:54 PM            

However, ancient astrologers have used methods of finding Anareta, the killing planet. Once you know which is it, you use primary directions for predictions. Generally there is a serious chance of death or serious illness when the primary directed killing planet touches the ascendant.

posted July 22, 2016 12:55 AM            

Ok thing.number one:

Time isn't linear.

Astrology is the ability to compare disparate moments in time to one another.

It is the ability to peer into time and space itself, if you have a certain combination of skill and dedication and intuition and clarity. You can only predict, only analyze, insofar as your own capacities for perception have been opened. ("when the doors of perception are cleansed")

Thing 2:

NOTHING is impossible. We are multi dimensional beings with an infinite capacity for understanding. The akashic records themselves may very well be intimately linked to astrology, like an enormous filing cabinet in which we find actual literal events taking place and can witness them from every possible angle of consciousness.

This is omnipresence. Obviously we here are just derivatives, holographic bits of THAT which is...

And we participate with one another compassionately to the best of our ability with what we have at any given moment... as astrologers, ideally... we focus in on the emotional, spiritual and physical crux of a situation in order to provide solace and inspiration to the querant...

Inspiration is not usually something that can be GIVEN But in the case of astrology a really good channel will be able to put that person in touch with their own innate knowing, which is really what the birth chart is... their own map. Their personal and unique and sacred lens on the ongoing cosmic epiphany of which we are all a part.

It is an honour and a joy to share with anybody in these sacred conversations which occur between native and their stars... to be the conduit which facilitates the communion with the self... it is different for everybody and everybody has unique things to learn.

The astrologer is not outside the workings of fate though, any more than the doctor, the chemist, the philosopher, who have all done harm in their ways too... Whether you are a catalyst or a fatalist or whatever you believe, the concept that something is destined to happen is at the core of the debate here, and it is unlikely to be solved very easily among us.

What would the point be of consulting an astrologer if everything were already laid out for you and there was no choice? It becomes a cause and effect question... did the astrologer kill him by predicting his death?

Well. Realistically I do truly believe in non linearity as a predominant reason that individuals CAN predict the future, with various extraordinary means... they're not right all the time and they acknowledge often that they are seeing the most likely result of the present reality... which changes with every tiniest fluctuation of anything...

But if somebody has been walking towards the edge of a cliff and you have a map in your hand, mightn't you want to tell them that they're about to go over, if you could help redirect them?

I see astrology as a non linear map of existence which actually provides infinite choice within the context of that which is, that which has already been, and that which will be. Astrology can be a powerful tool for examining minutae and then situating ourselves within the flow of time with clarity and awareness of the deep inner workings of the energetic currents at play. We branch out from this knowledge and fruit along with it. Astrology can be like breathing.. like going for a walk with a very beautifully detailed map which shows us the underground burrows and even the weather... The eagles... it is a living picture of life on earth, painted in the stars, communing with the turning, with the moon... it is beautiful!

posted July 22, 2016 01:24 AM            

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But I like to think it can be a future-predicting, event-predicting tool.

In fact I've seen some evidence that in the right hands, it is just that.

Sure it helps to always be emotionally centered, but if you are curious about tomorrow's circumstances...astrology can help. It really can.

That is partly true. Life is happening to me, it is unfolding beyond my control and permission.

I don't want the illusion of total control.

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I take a similar stand as Faith does.

Astrology is similar to meteorology, you can be accurate but not precise.

So you can get within a certain amount of accuracy.

I would rather take my chance knowing that its 90% likely to happen then not knowing at all.

For example I was suppose to get my wisdom teeth removed and even the dentist said 99.9% of success.

So even with him he knows theirs a 1% chance of something going wrong.

Just have an open mind or backup in case something unexpected happens that ruins the prediction.

posted July 22, 2016 03:37 AM            

It's a huge responsibility to advise people based on their charts, just as being a surgeon is a huge responsibility. You need to be centered. You need to be on. You need to know your stuff.

"First do no harm"!

I say if we can accurately descRibe somebody based on their birth chart then we are predictive astrologers, in that we can describe this person from the moment of their birth... it's part and parcel with astrology that we are able to peer into the past and future.

The accuracy of our descriptions depends on our faculties of communication and our ability to discern logically and methodically, as well as apply our intuition.

It is very very important when acting as our own astrologers to remember these things. To not get carried away by interpretations which may not be fully informed. To treat ourselves with loving care, as if we were our own doctor, our own therapist, our own parental figure, teacher- giving loving advice rooted in actual experience wisdom and compassion... We should try not to come from a fearful place or a misinformed place as we can work ourselves up over fabrications and projections far too easily.

There is a reason many professional astrologers do not read for their family and loved ones... There is so little objectivity.

I do, but everybody's different. It fails and mucks me up all the time. But sometimes those pearls of wisdom come through and I can really help my partner and understand him through this lens, what he is going through by transit, and give my loving advice for working with the energy.

That's what it comes down to for me as a counseling astrologer~ not what will happen, because as has been said it's fairly difficult for me to know that (if not impossible )-- but WHY is it happening? What are the underlying themes and energetic currents? What is the crux of the matter?

We can preclude many undesirable manifestations of energy when we become aware of its root. When we pull things up at the root then they can't grow into enormous unmanageable problems. We want to get as close to the raw energy as possible which is what the symbolism of the planets and such are sooo good for....

posted July 22, 2016 03:38 AM            

"Astrology is a collection of (planetary, zodiacal) energies that work upon consciousness, which means we can use our consciousness to direct these energies within ourselves and our lives in a constructive and more enlightened manner. THAT is what creates our outcomes."

posted July 22, 2016 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
A lot of folks seem to be asking questions of astrologers in the vein of 'what's going to happen to me?' Astrology is not a fortune telling device -- unless you're wanting to pretend that you have no control in your life, that [b]it is just somehow happening to you.

Why not pretend instead that you chose these astrological factors in your birth chart when you were in a wiser place you've long forgotten, that life on earth is a challenging journey, that you are the lead character and are writing the story, and gain strength by becoming your own hero in that story?

Astrology is a collection of (planetary, zodiacal) energies that work upon consciousness, which means we can use our consciousness to direct these energies within ourselves and our lives in a constructive and more enlightened manner. THAT is what creates our outcomes.

An astrologer is not supposed to know your outcomes for you. YOU create them!

So as we elevate our consciousness to an understanding that our material circumstances are created by consciousness, and consciousness can be used -- and is constantly used by people everywhere -- to redirect these energies for better outcomes, then we see we are at the center of our own astrological influences and have always been in charge.

All this gains its sweetest purity when guided towards some version of the ideal of Unconditional Love (Compassion).

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Thank you Kannon. Again, I'm trying to figure out who is reading whose mind as I was thinking if these things in deep focus yesterday morning. However, you definitely speak from an encouraging and empowering position while I am trying to figure out what the problem is. I am trying to calm my righteous anger and allow more of the energy you are channeling in.

I will say that I have noticed a trend with those that interpret astrology or religion with a measure of fatalism. The disbelief in the power of humanity or being human seems to go hand in hand with the ability to believe in the weakness and "inherent evil" of human beings...

How we see the universe affects how we see ourselves in the universe, and whether we admit our connectedness to one another or not, how we see ourselves is exactly how we see others.

We are never more honest about how we see ourselves than when we are talking about others.

posted July 22, 2016 10:31 AM            

This is where I disagree with many people here, Astrologically.

There is choice--YES

However, one is born with a TEMPLATE.

That is the chart.

One has one's template to work with.

Choice can be wielded in the CONTEXT of that template.

But, I do not think the choice has the wide parameters that I see people believing on here.

I don't and that is why I am different and I stand alone, and am most willing to do so lol

Sending Blessings to Everyone. Love you all

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posted July 22, 2016 11:31 AM            

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The birth - hiccup analogy doesn't quite fly because birth is not an event you can predict using someone's chart - because the moment of birth defines the chart itself in the first place.

Death, especially the precise moment of the passing of the soul (whichever moment that may even be) is indeed very difficult to see in a chart. There are also multiple possible, but no conclusive markers for predicting death.
Death is, however, arguably way more meaningful to a person than some random hiccup - meaning it should reflect way more strongly in a chart than a hiccup, and yet, even death is not as clearly visible as one would think. Neither are other bodily functions such as breaths taken, heartbeats, periods of waking and sleeping, or the rhythm of digestive functions and yet, they occur all the time.

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