posted November 08, 2016 05:14 PM            

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well nine how about try guessing some of my placements, since your ideas of placements seem to be accurate in correspondance to reality

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The Virgo in me only work with facts. Madonna & Hillary are public figures, their lives and relationships are easily researchable.

posted November 08, 2016 05:16 PM            

A fact: A definitive piece of information

posted November 08, 2016 06:14 PM            

People are magnets, and magnets are attracted to each other. However, if those magnets aren't aligned correctly they will repel one another. Get the alignment right and two becomes one.

posted November 08, 2016 06:38 PM            

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you are the one who is left guessing! hahaha. since we both have conflicting opinions over it, one of us is wrong.

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That question has been answered when you changed positions from Virgo Asc to Scorpio Asc.

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i dont guess because im not the type of person to think about interpretations. im more like a realistic robot

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posted November 08, 2016 06:59 PM            

AT LEAST look at the right section

posted November 08, 2016 10:51 PM            

A public figure is so used to "turning on" their MC that when they're on camera, doing an interview, or in a photo shoot, it comes out in a powerful way. So, that is often the energy people are picking up on and then people start thinking it's their Ascendant. It is not uncommon for a Scorpio Midheaven celebrity to be suspected to be a Scorpio Rising. Planets conjunct the Midheaven can work this way, as well.

Meanwhile, if you actually MET this person, you'd probably get a very different impression and you would see a lot more of their Ascendant. This would be a more spontaneous, in-the-moment situation than the MC, which is when the AC comes out. But, how many of us get to meet all of these famous people?

For me, a helpful thing is reading interviews about that person and seeing how the journalist describes them, which is often a comparison between the person they expect (the MC) and how they actually are in person. If the MC and AC are in sextile or trine signs, there is less of a difference. If they are in signs that square, there is usually much more of a contrast, often dramatically (unless the chart ruler is conjunct the MC).

Also, I do not like looking at physical appearance alone in terms of the Ascendant. Every Ascendant often has one or two defining physical features. But, to expect everyone with the same Rising sign to actually look alike? I find it unrealistic. I like to think a lot more about the person's general demeanor, behavior, and vibe.

And Nine, why are you so hung up on Madonna being a Gemini Rising? You kept insisting this in another thread. She is a textbook Virgo Rising to me. If you are getting the Gemini vibes, it is probably due to her Gemini Midheaven (again showing my theory).

Gemini Midheaven celebrities are very smart and articulate and can hold their own in conversation but I've found that they can often tense up in interviews, usually due to the high nervous energy and the need for control of the Virgo Rising. They can also come off as less warm or honest on camera than they actually are in real life. Both of these are traits Hillary has shown, making me believe the Virgo Ascendant. I also read an interview with her yesterday that talked so much about her being a "very efficient problem solver". Totally Virgo AC.

posted November 08, 2016 11:09 PM            

I do exactly what you said you look for, the vibe, their posture, expression, and am able to just see their energy.

posted November 08, 2016 11:24 PM            

The 7:05 am time gives her Virgo Rising. She once said, in a magazine interview back in the 90's, that she can never stop to relax. She has to make lists for everything and even when she's on vacation, she makes lists for what she's going to do the whole time. That even her downtime is scheduled.

That does NOT sound like an Aquarius Rising. That level of rigidness and routine would not even be a thought process for them. Madonna is a Virgo Moon but even many Virgo Moons are not that neurotic or obsessive. If she had the Moon in Virgo conjunct her Ascendant, it would explain why she is so needy and neurotic about everything being ordered and organized in everything she does. That is stereotypical Virgo. Having a personal planet on the Asc makes you a LOT like that sign.

Also, people say that when you meet her in real life (Asc), she is surprisingly reserved, modest, and often even shy. Then, her talk in Truth or Dare of needing to mother her dancers (Moon rising) which had kind of a controlling vibe to it (Virgo). And she is a notorious workaholic.

So, everything about her Virgo Rising chart makes sense to me, including many other placements she has.

posted November 08, 2016 11:44 PM            

They're both Gemini Rising.

posted November 09, 2016 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Posting pictures is not enough. You have to point out something; shape, coloring, angle, dimple. Then make the connection with unknown Asc.

This way, an Asc will be easily recognizable in the future.

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ok let me try again.

posted November 09, 2016 02:01 AM            

clinton has got to have lilith in her 5th, because only women with lilith in 5th have such relationships with their children as the one she has with her daughter. it would give her virgo AC. she's also pretty fashionable I'd say and not only now that she's famous but also back when she was young. it again says virgo. I know a few virgos and virgo risings who care a lot about fashion and how they should dress. most of the time too in her younger pictures she's posing very politely and never forgets to fake a polite smile, that again is very virgo and so far from gemini. by age, she's developed extremely stiff lips which point out to her inner disability to relax. again very virgo. gemini risings are just too light and airy and she doesn't come off that way at all. she screams earth to me and the most probable one would be virgo. those narrow eyes and those pronounced cheekbones, all virgo. short arms and legs are also another trait of virgo.

let's not forget that often times people may come across like their MCs, and so this might be the case with hillary, her virgo AC and her possible gemini MC. most of the times, people who find one of their parents very influential (either in a good or in a bad way), have their AC three signs away from their parent's sun. this way that parent scares the child a bit but also pushes them toward growing. this parent's sun would most of the times be either be in the child's 4th or the 10th house. if we look at hillary's relationship with her gemini mother, virgo AC is very fitting with her mother's sun in her 10th encouraging her education.

and about madonna, just looking at her face it's almost a no brainer that she has moon very close to the AC. virgo is fitting with her obsessive behavior and her comments about offering people oral job for voting for her candidate (virgo presenting a service?! lol).

virgos just love to be doing people favors and a majority of people in the porn industry have important virgo placements. virgos can stay in relationships long after it has been over (the case of hillary, although that could also be her pisces moon being very forgiving). they also LOVE to be working behind the scenes like a puppet master, directing people's roles and dictating how everyone should behave (again, there's rather a large percentage of directors who are virgos).

and these two look similar also, like a few virgo risings I know. that was why virgo was my first guess in both their cases.

and one last thing. the only people I know who wish or state that they would rather have another astrological sign or placement are virgos! sometimes they even lie about their birthdate to their friends. or at least they try to hide it as much as possible or if not, they can be always nagging that they're not satisfied with being a virgo!

posted November 09, 2016 07:56 AM            

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lol, the secrecy is true in the case of madonna, gaga and clinton. all virgo risings.

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How about transits and House cusps? How do those line up with a Virgo Asc for these women?

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no one cares about her Asc time now

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Thank you for your input.

posted November 09, 2016 10:25 AM            

Also, Pluto was transiting her 5th House at this time and creating a power struggle with one of her children.