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soren
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posted November 05, 2016 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*I actually was most likely incorrect but you can still read this, i'd skip to page 2/3 if you want to see the true outcome of her rising, its scorpio in my thoughts now, not virgo so she wasnt a liar
There's 3 potential times. 8 am. (said by her one time? i think a different time or someone). then theres 8 pm, which she said according to some biography. apparently she was said before saying it was 8pm.

then a couple of l33t hackers, 2 different (non-connected to eachother?) people, contacted databases of birth records, and they obtained a secret time of 2:18. finally, there's proof, thanks to me.

using my new ascendant picture tool thread, i compared her to each set. there was only 2 that she could have been. the rest, definitely not.

Either it was aries. Or virgo. I went around and for the last time, i compared her to aries.

here is her with arians:

the bunch of them to the right are a bit similar.

now for you to know what it's like for her to not be similar to any, in the slightest if you have a good eye for ascendant energy, look at leo risings:

Now i'll tell you, i examined both her 8 am and pm charts, and i drew up mutliple people sharing the same aspect mulitple times for both her 8 am and pm charts. here's one of them (moon at nonagesimal exactly- taken from her pm chart)

for a second, block out hillary and just take in the expression all the other's share. it's kind of a strange expression and glancing. now unblock hillary. she doesn't share that same energy in the slightest.

here is another one. which some of you might have likely seen- she has the saturn at her nonagesimal (along with mars which is 6 degrees away, but i dont think that would effect it very much)

that saturn nonagesimal, along with a mercury conjuncttion to ascendant from her AM time(which i might post after, the group who have that compared with her) and she doesn't share commonalities. do you see many?


Finally. I picked out virgo as the final result. I didn't even know what her ascendant was in for the 2:18 time. Honestly. And then i looked. and it was virgo! hahahaha. looks like the 2 separate guys who acquired it were telling the truth i'd say is most likely correct im sure of it.

(updated/correct a double person two people were the same,

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soren
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posted November 05, 2016 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is another disproof of her AM chart. I already showed you saturn at nonagesimal (which she didnt share the qualities)


Here is the link to her astro page which has 3 possible natal's showing for her

She has saturn and mars high above the horizon for her am time. as a pair. i drew up charts of others who share this exact aspect.

hold on

in her PM time she has uranus conjunct the ascendant. I think you'll agree with me, if you block her out with your hand, look at all the others, see that penetrating beady eyed glare. She's not the same at all. Even with various pictures of her.

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posted November 05, 2016 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She feels like a Virgo ASC to me but I don't know many Aries ASCs to compare it to.

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posted November 05, 2016 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's Gemini Asc

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posted November 05, 2016 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have fog over your mind Nine?

doesn't look like gemini rising to me!

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posted November 05, 2016 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a 70 year old woman and a 12 yo girl are supposed to look alike? Seriously?

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posted November 05, 2016 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's 8 other people. geminis energy is fun and light and energetic and fun. non emotional.

my picture of hillary might be a little emotional. if i interchanged with a different picture of her. she's still going to look more emotional than all the other light hearted and fun geminis.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Madonna is also Gemini Asc.

No doubt fierce, Hillary does have a light and breezy side to her.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Madonnas ascendant was already talked about in another thread. You said since her birth time wasn't verified, that it couldn't be the one shown on astro.com. Yet they do have a time. It's 7:05, the only part that is unverified is whether it's in the AM or PM. Those times put her ascendant in Virgo and Aquarius respectively. And someone else, alycat maybe, said Modonna already said it was 7:05PM in a documentary.

I understand that if it is 7:05pm (i realize right now) that i will take her off of my virgo rising list.

Sometimes there is a wrong time and it screws up the commonalities of the whole group for rising signs being the same.

I know that when you fix them all, and they all share the same rising, THEN you are like "yes, i can see it"

from my research though, 95% are correct, surprisingly. maybe it has to do with big celebrities have their times changing often.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I REALLY don't think you can just look at her picture and know.
There are asc guessing threads here all the time and many times it's the 2nd or 3rd page before anyone gets it. (By luck)

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posted November 05, 2016 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe you can tell Asc from looking a pictures alone. But I'll play

Gemini Rising women.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
look at unforgiven soul's ascendant thread Dop. I already figured it out in 15 minutes using my new ascendant picture tool.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nine maybe you can't tell but i'm sure there's a number of people who can see the similarities in the "whole group sharing a specific placement" sets.

and i dont know who was in the first pic you posted, editadd: oh i think its madonna the first. the second (madonna) does not have a guaranteed birth time, but it's already said its NOT gemini, and hillary's time is so far unverified. so it's really funny to use those

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posted November 05, 2016 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edit: weird.
DP after I accidentally hit my back button.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Those times put her ascendant in Virgo and Aquarius respectively. And someone else, alycat maybe, said Modonna already said it was 7:05PM in a documentary.

There is confusion because Madonna don't want people to know what it is.

When I asked my mom what her tob was, she said her mom told her around 7pm. This gave her an Aries/Taurus Asc. Later she said a very reliable relative told her in the afternoon around 3pm.

My own research confirmed she was a Capricorn Asc. Born just before noon.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nine i think you are perhaps picking up on hillary clintons progressed ascendant. if she really was a virgo riser (2:18 am time), she is 69 years old, and her natal ascendant is 75 degrees from being in Sag and thus Descendant in Gemini.

An ascendant moves 1.3-1.6 degrees x someone's age. So it would definitely be in Sag if her virgo rising time was correct. She definitely to me looks like the other virgo risers.

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posted November 05, 2016 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted November 05, 2016 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
nine i think you are perhaps picking up on hillary clintons progressed ascendant. if she really was a virgo riser (2:18 am time), she is 69 years old, and her natal ascendant is 75 degrees from being in Sag and thus Descendant in Gemini.

An ascendant moves 1.3-1.6 degrees x someone's age. So it would definitely be in Sag if her virgo rising time was correct. She definitely to me looks like the other virgo risers.


That's no it. She came up Gemini Asc in my methodology. The same one that revealed Kate Middleton to be Aries Asc.

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posted November 06, 2016 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by soren:
there's 8 other people. geminis energy is fun and light and energetic and fun. non emotional.

my picture of hillary might be a little emotional. if i interchanged with a different picture of her. she's still going to look more emotional than all the other light hearted and fun geminis.


Which can also make it easier for other heavier energy such as pluto to take over. My friend is Gemini ascendant with scorpio moon and she's ambitious, likes to party but comes off very shy and serious. That gemini energy isn't always so bubbly. My ex was a sun/moon/venus gemini and yep he was very serious and well spoken but liked going out to parties/sports bars, he was quite robotic.

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posted November 06, 2016 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
clinton's had plastic surgery but her younger pictures look so much like virgo risings

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posted November 06, 2016 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you might need a bit of water for anyone who finds it hard to see similar traits in risings. something really interesting i noticed is that for positive signs, you can tell their expression is "going outward". and for negative signs they are "receiving inward".

she is very similar to gemini risings. one major difference though. they were all "going out" while she was "receiving in"

*Edit** of course you can only notice this "outness" or "inward receivingness" if you keep on quickly switching from face to face in a set. if you look at one person alone you might see positive sign energy (outness) that's why you keep switching and then you're brain might pick up on the energy they are sharing.

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posted November 06, 2016 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I compared her to all the other pictures without reading what you said, and I thought she looked similar to each group. You have to do a poll where you don't claim anything as truth, and see what people say, to make any kind of conclusion. And even then, it's still flawed.

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posted November 06, 2016 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that's why you were supposed to read what i said. since i know what each set has, if you block out hillary, look at the similarities in the others which are almost guaranteed to all be sharing the same aspect, and then look at hillary, you will see she doesn't share it.

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posted November 06, 2016 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
try doing it for the uranus ascendant conjunctions. its pretty apparent.

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posted November 06, 2016 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
like i said, we can actually *learn* what a planetary energy looks like in someone, as long as we have the correct birth time.

if just ONE person in the set has a different aspect, your brain will not pick up on the energy and they will sway it away from the true energy. when they all share the exact aspect- that's when your brain can pin point exactly what it is.

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