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soren
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posted December 07, 2016 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check the other house systems your sun falls in, what house for equal houses, and placidus, and the equator system (30 degree segments going backwards from the East point)

Ex 3 Virgo East Point means aries in that house would extend to 3 degrees libra. 12th (or pisces) would extrend to 3 D Leo.

If you find out those ones, that will give you more missing clues. Find out and let me know

I know factually all 3 house systems exist at once. It's not just one of them, all 3 exist


If you want to see for yourself, click this link

Those people all share the same sign& house placement. There should be no shifts. Is there shifts? You tell me. There should be 2.

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posted December 07, 2016 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, that's an interesting interpretation. I'm a Leo, but I've met people who have their moon or ascendant in this sign and act much more Leo than I do. I sometimes feel a bit more like a detached Leo, but that's my own perception of me. Others may see me differently.

Even when I check where my sun is in the equal system, it still is in the 11th house. In fact, my placidus chart looks almost like an equal chart because the houses look very similar in size. As for the equator system, if you mean the "carter poli-equatorial" in astro (it was the only one I could see that seems the closest), then it also puts my sun in the 11th house. So either way I'm a true 11th house.

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posted December 07, 2016 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure about the equator poli you mentioned, but on astrotheme they add in the EP (east point) which is convenient. Takes a minute to input and find it out.

Anyway, yeah you must be really more aqua then leo. That must be why you feel detached. Aqua descriptions are detachment and i never felt like that at all. I'm a first house in 3 house systems and I like that description better. Energetic and fun.

I was thinking maybe the negative signs in much of their many interpretations coined aqua's as detached, because they are just too attached.

From a positive sign point of view, aquas might not be considered detached. To me, it's an insult. But maybe it means you step away and back off from people and just approach them with a logical response, if so, that's accurate.

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posted December 07, 2016 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
From a positive sign point of view, aquas might not be considered detached. To me, it's an insult.

Well, I guess it's all relative. Some people may find a particular person detached while others may find that same person quite warm. I myself don't like the idea of being detached as it makes me feel as if I'm some sort of robot, and I know I'm not and I do indeed feel a lot of emotions within me, but I'm just not always good at expressing my emotions in a physical and affectionate way. Instead I express them verbally.

So.... I guess maybe I'm not detached, but it's more that I appear that way.

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posted December 07, 2016 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keep in mind the interpretations for the signs come in 20 fold of the houses. People can instantly know anyone's sign (in person, in the past when they had less internet)

So there are many more descriptions for those. Houses get less attention because it takes 10x as much effort to manage and find out.

So maybe try reading an aqua description, i can't guarantee it's the exact same as a house, cause really, it is, BUT- in the progressed chart, it's not. Which is a big part of us all, the progressed chart.

If you want the factual way to approach, aqua descriptions will match you for when you were young and had your sun in the 11th, now it's likely in the 9th depending if your 35+. So now if that's true, read a sag description and that will be your 9th p. sun. It'll be less strong than the natal but still on the surface. It should be slightly accurate. It's true for me and Pisces (12th)

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posted December 07, 2016 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bonsai:

So.... I guess maybe I'm not detached, but it's more that I appear that way.

Well there it is. Who cares how you appear, you know what you are and that's what you are.

I don't put any stock into others opinions. If they told me I seemed dumb, but I was smart, I'd ignore them.

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posted December 07, 2016 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
If you want the factual way to approach, aqua descriptions will match you for when you were young and had your sun in the 11th, now it's likely in the 9th depending if your 35+. So now if that's true, read a sag description and that will be your 9th p. sun. It'll be less strong than the natal but still on the surface. It should be slightly accurate. It's true for me and Pisces (12th)

Haha! It's funny, but I looked at my progressed sun, and it's stayed in the 11th house my whole life! And it looks like it's going to stay in my 11th house for at least another good 20 years. Weird, why isn't it changing houses? All my other planets are.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really? Believe me the progressed chart is a STRONG part of you! that might be why you feel overly attached cause your p.sun is staying in 11th for just too long and it doesn't fit in with others!

But somehow I doubt that's possible, unless you were born at a strange lattitude!

Go to the astrotheme transit tool and instead enter your time and move it forward by 2 hours. Let me know if it ever shifts.
http://www.astrotheme.com/transits_ephemerides_chart.php

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posted December 07, 2016 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
Really? Believe me the progressed chart is a STRONG part of you! that might be why you feel overly attached cause your p.sun is staying in 11th for just too long and it doesn't fit in with others!

But somehow I doubt that's possible, unless you were born at a strange lattitude!

Go to the astrotheme transit tool and instead enter your time and move it forward by 2 hours. Let me know if it ever shifts.
http://www.astrotheme.com/transits_ephemerides_chart.php


It's interesting, cause I kept changing the year forward in time, and I will literally be 100 years old by the time my Sun reaches the cusp of the 12th house in my progressed. So I'm 11th house for life in both natal and progressed. I'll try the link you just gave to me.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wait haha we are doing different progression techniques.

I guess that is the point where we draw a line inbetween us and say NO i'm over HERE


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if you want to do it my way, just tell me how many degrees your asc moves forward from your natal for the sun to shift houses just hours/minutes after your birth. Multiply your age by 1.3 And shift your asc forward that many degrees from your natal. NOW tell me your house position is in. This is the true and *ONLY* technique but perhaps humans aren't ready for the truth.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
Oh wait haha we are doing different progression techniques.

I guess that is the point where we draw a line inbetween us and say NO i'm over HERE


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if you want to do it my way, just tell me how many degrees your asc moves forward from your natal for the sun to shift houses just hours/minutes after your birth. Multiply your age by 1.3 And shift your asc forward that many degrees from your natal. NOW tell me your house position is in. This is the true technique but perhaps humans aren't ready for the truth.


Ok if I understood your technique correctly. I had to move my time forward by 1 hour and 15 minutes to get the sun to sit on the cusp between the 10th and 11th house. My ascendant ended up being moved forward 15 degrees and ended up in Libra. I multiply my age by 1.3 and move it by that many degrees, which would make my ascendant Scorpio, and my sun ends up in the 9th house.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps that makes sense of your percieved aggressive attitude? (on the cat post haha)

eta: oops i was thinking of belage username sorry. Hahahaha.

Trust me, that's your surface energy is the 9th house. Exact same as Sagittarius. You'r a sag in your progressed. I'm a pisces.

Read s sag description but act like it's about 1/10th of the current you. It's just a fair bit there. The surface feeling

Also for me I'm heavily attracted to sign's on my PROGRESSED asc/dsc. So it might be true for others, i cant know. But you might be attracted strongly to scorps/taurus suns.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
Perhaps that makes sense of your percieved aggressive attitude? (on the cat post haha)

eta: oops i was thinking of belage username sorry. Hahahaha.


Hehe, I was wondering about that. Don't remember any cat post! :P

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Also for me I'm heavily attracted to sign's on my PROGRESSED asc/dsc. So it might be true for others, i cant know. But you might be attracted strongly to scorps/taurus suns.

Fudge! That is uncannily true. Romantically I've been mainly attracted to Scorps (and vice versa) and friendship-wise I've drawn a lot of Tauruses (though a lot of those friendships turned sour eventually). However, these trends have been throughout my life, and not just lately.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm interesting. Mine it seems every single person I like is either one of the 2 signs OR 1 of 2 houses.

Not sure if it's just me from somehow being too connected to my P. Chart, or what.

Anyway sag hmm interesting. Would make you a bit more assertive maybe, cause it's fire. And energetic, ruling the thighs, you probably like to get around, and do it with ease and quickness.

Sag is one of the signs i know next to nothing about for descriptions. They can say and really funny and weird things and just to provoke reactions seemingly

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posted December 07, 2016 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Sagittarius is known as the sign that loves philosophy, higher education and travel, and I am moving overseas start of next year based on an almost spur of the moment decision a few months ago. Could that be the reason?

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posted December 07, 2016 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very likely. The exact same time my asc was progressing forward, I suddenly traveled. (more than i ever had, with my fixed asc, EVER) Yes a mutable P. asc as well.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You will be 1 of the rare people to have practiced this progression technique. I hope it doesn't pull you into some kind of deep depression because you know too much sacred knowledge. They say the truth sets you free. So I hope it'll be ok.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You will be 1 of the rare people to have practiced this progression technique. I hope it doesn't pull you into some kind of deep depression because you know too much sacred knowledge. They say the truth sets you free. So I hope it'll be ok.


Don't worry. Nothing depressing about it. I'm fine . Honestly still confused by the technique more than anything, but that's ok.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright. Yeah you didn't actually have to tell me how many degrees your chart progressed to when your sun was on the 10th/11th cusp, i worded it badly then reworded it a bit better the next sentence. I forget not everyone has a sound understanding of the logic, so they don't understand if i mess up, and reword it or word it better

anyway. the day for a year method has no logic behind it. many people on here claim astrology is not scientific. It's not logical. That we don't know how it works. In fact its just as logical as everything else in reality, that's what I know.

This technique is called P.D. (primary) and it uses the adaptions your brain made to the first few hours out of the womb.

It makes sense that you start to tune into parts of your brain. Like if you were born, sun was in 11th for 20 minutes, all of a sudden the sun switches to the 10th, now your brain is hardwiring/adapting to a physical 10th house sun in existence.

That's what primary directions does. It finds those early moments of your brain hardwiring, and we slowly tune more and more into those hardwirings as we age, and I've already confirmed it for myself, well I could confirm it to the whole world If i wanted.

Day for a year has no sort of logic.

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posted December 07, 2016 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I dont believe in it not because "im closed off" because it seems illogical.

I dont believe in it because I know 100% P.D. is true, and there's nothing any kind of reason that suggests that the sun returning to the same spot in the zodiac would reflect anything besides a transit conjunction.

I've always had a profound understanding of physics. In fact i personally don't think I do, but when i see others on here, I think i must. hahahaha.

I understand things profoundly, gravity, laws of physics, even metaphysics, it's all reactionary. Everything has a cause, and effect, which causes something to happen. Astrology is also under the laws of logic and reactions and physics (quantum or whatever).

That's why when you see someone saying that (for example there's 2 fields and in 1 there is a tree in the middle, and then the other field if you go stand in the middle, you will become a tree)

There is no REAL logic behind that, and I can see it. But others want to think, no THERE COULD BE!! SOmething about it!

But my scientific mind has never found something it could not grasp. And it's all in accordance with laws in existence.

Unfortuneately for most here, day for a year falls under no accordance

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posted December 07, 2016 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Only time will tell. Just tell him not to take the Astrology so seriously

Tell him a bunch of mixed things that don't add up to one personality and see which evolves lol


Was this directed at me?

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posted December 07, 2016 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Was this directed at me?

No it was about my OP

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posted December 07, 2016 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I know I didn't, but I was running through the maths to make sure I wasn't stuffing anything up, hence why I was stating how much I moved it forward by, though I guess it wasn't necessary. Nevermind.

Honestly? I find astrology fascinating, but then I also do wonder how often people try and find the smallest most remote thing to try and explain certain traits. In reality I look at things in my life and at first I think it's because of one specific aspect, but then I could just as easily argue that another aspect, or not even necessarily an aspect but what goes on in a progressed chart, can just as easily describe events that happen or why I am the way I am. How can any of it be proven concretely? We don't have two people who share an identical chart (even twins have slightly different degrees and could even have different ascendants). Only one person has the chart they have, and therefore you really have a sample of one to play out a unique chart. If you could live parallel lives and have a sample of two lives with identical genetics playing out the same chart, that could show something, but clearly that isn't possible.

Anyway, it's night time on my end, so have to go now.

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posted December 07, 2016 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright was fun. Glad you were open to P.D. You don't have to keep believing it its your choice.

I have felt the difference of a house change. Even some other thing I can't tell you. But it all effects us dastically. But the house change can be pinned down and understood. Ok goodnight

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posted December 07, 2016 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Alright was fun. Glad you were open to P.D. You don't have to keep believing it its your choice.

I have felt the difference of a house change. Even some other thing I can't tell you. But it all effects us dastically. But the house change can be pinned down and understood. Ok goodnight


Oh I'm not believing or disbelieving, it's an interesting alternative way to view astrology and is just as valid as any other technique used. Good night!

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