posted December 01, 2016 04:11 AM            

anyway he really almost blends with positive signs, but he is a negative sign for sure. i'll edit on here in 5 minutes which one(s) stick out.

it's cap or cancer i'm pretty sure.. narrowing down now between those 2. since this isnt too serious not putting in over effort like using a gif.

Edit: oh you gave away the answer. i was re checking over all of them, had it narrowed down to aqua and cancer, just eliminated leo as the third closest. yeah this is the second time now that i guessed the polarity wrong. actually i looked back and i honestly could not tell which polarity he was.

but yeah i was left with aqua and cancer, but he does not seem similar in personality to the other cancers, but kinda had a nice smile like them, but not the eyes, kinda less emotional. yeah i suppose he is aqua, actually one of them has nearly the exact same facial expression. was trying to convince myself he was negative but was

posted December 01, 2016 04:53 AM            

yup i'd say definitely aqua. has exact same face to a few of them. no problem

think there is something going on with his asc and the other house systems, perhaps falling in many negative signs in them, but in a positive sign in the ecliptic. just something is off/ negative about it.

actually, there is only 2 other aquas giving a similar negative sign expression, all the others have more exroversion/positive expression. quite interesting,

in the other theorized house systems, 3 of them start at the horizon, just different places, might be 10 degrees to the left of the eclpitic crossing but still on the horizon.

See?

posted December 06, 2016 02:35 AM            

I am sure there are some parts of the houses that fall short of being stronger than the signs, but likewise there are some parts of the signs that fall short in power to the houses, but they are both very important.

I believe you have not put much hope into the houses simply because you don't have your rectified time correct. I have 0 faith in rectification. However I have developed a way to rectify any ascendant with a very close accuracy.

If you believed your sun was in the 3rd house but actually was in the 5th, then I'd understand why you'd say "hmm I guess I do like writing and thinking a bit, but I feel much more like my sun sign"

But if you got your birth time correct and sun house placement, and found out it was in the 5th, and then you say "hm I do enjoy the spot light, gaining attention, and am quite warm to others and generous" then you might think it fits a lot more.

posted December 06, 2016 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
So that is why it's not accurate for you to say house placements are not accurate, unless you are basing it off of people who have their correct birth time, otherwise it's all just a guess/likely inaccurate.

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Would Sun in Cap in the 4th make the individual more Cancer? Because of the Sun being in the 4th?

My understanding is that the 4th house house of Cap gives the individual the need to build an orderly, well-regulated(Cap) home life(4th).

It may even be possible that the individual(like Cancer) is a lover of tradition. But not because of sentimental value but rather because the role it gives them in the family

They may indeed be the provider of the family and structure themselves around the family life i.e bringing business(Cap) home(4th) etc.

But this is still the same Cap; sometimes austere and heavy handed. Sometimes dry and serious. And many times responsible and dignified.

Sun in Cap in 4th may have them be home a lot. But the children grow up in an orderly structured environment as a result.

There may not be many hugs and kisses from Mom/Dad,but the individual has it ingrained in the ego(Sun)that success(Cap)that provides for the family life(4th)is the only success that matters.

I see how this Cap can have tons in common with Cnacer because of shared views and beliefs about family.

But I just don't understand how possible it could be for this Cap to alter their more earthy approach to life and immerse themselves in emotional undercurrents because of the Sun being in the 4th.

posted December 06, 2016 09:46 AM            

that is the part where i don't have many blocks in that department, of descriptions and such, i'm mainly just mathematical. and also pretty silly too (jupiter dominant, i think)

anyway with my logical brain the first thing i noticed is that you (and your descriptions are nice) is that capricorn can not be like cancer, or anything else.

but actually there are many many combinings of energy in astrology, as you should have known by now, or have seen other people speak it- is that astrology is actually not simplistic , maybe in the most basic ways like aspects or something, or how a moon square sun would play out, but just like atoms and chemical reactions are complex and small and intricate, so is astrology.

i only speak because i'm an aqua sun. in the first house.

i've felt it progress ( i know, unlike most) into the 12th house.

So i know what it's like to be an aqua sun in the house of pisces (or 12th). and so i know energys CAN be combined/ felt simultaneously.

which then shows the answer to your question or (in my opinion) lack of understanding.

yes i've always been aqua, but in the 12th i became much more spiritual, more weakened, more understanding perhaps of peoples emotions, and striving to be a good person, not even striving but it just came natural. but i was still aqua

it's not just one thing or the other (aqua or 12th) it's both. there can be both.

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if you want to me to accurately rectify your chart, i can. so you can know your true sun house placement, cause if you don't know your time for sure, any person with slight intelligence knows there's a chance it might not be the right time, but you can put some hope that it is. but with me, i can find it

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yes the first is exactly the same as aries. firey, cardinal, rulership of the head, and eyes especially (you'll see that on people with first house placements, more noticeable influence/connection with the eyes/ eye expression / eye embodiment [as if they exist in their heads more so than others, they occupy ]

posted December 06, 2016 10:39 AM            

or for cap and cancer especially since they are opposites.

well it's not hard to get- aqua in 12th will be spiritual, emotional, feel the ocean of understanding. the first is more in their heads, going into things head first "sees a friend and immedietly jumps out at them and says hey" for example.

it's just a combining of both. you can be aqua, intelligent, friendly, communicative and also be spiritual and have an understanding of things like everything is an ocean.

or if you were aqua in 11th, you'd be especially full of funny thoughts and ideas, enjoy plays on words and creating writing pieces or whatever they would create, might be something else but full of lots of ideas

aqua in 5th would be understanding as well, still aqua, but have the sun mixed with leo traits as well, being generous, paying attention to what others think and wanting them to think good things, but still be communicative as aqua is and full of ideas.

posted December 06, 2016 11:00 AM            

I have said it before that you always came across to me random and sporadic.Sometimes a little assertive,even confrontational. But not outside the boundaries of intellectual discussion.

If I was dealing with an Aries, I would see a lot less intellectual dissection and a more "direct" criticism of my response i.e "Don't be silly Aries23Degree, everyone knows that....." OR "Come on. To assert that house positions are not like sign positions is pure bull***"

Aries tends to not waste any time skirting around niceties when they disagree with someone(especially when Mercury is in Aries) and add to that,they can cross the boundaries to a point where the attack seems more personal than outright criticism of the idea.

You: So i know what it's like to be an aqua sun in the house of Pisces (or 12th). and so i know energies CAN be combined/ felt simultaneously.Which then shows the answer to your question or (in my opinion) lack of understanding.

The "in my opinion" part for example, I would have probably not heard from Aries. Aries often thinks their opinion is the only opinion that matters and is thus THE OPINION etc.

My point is that I see mostly Aquarius, not Aries(as you would suggest with the Sun in 1st).

What I can agree on however is that when the Aquarius is in the 1st and the Sun is there, you may want to express your opinions in a very "matter of fact" way. So the energy is synonymous on the surface-I agree

In fact,you may be the type to stick your head out a lot on what you think. Which is typical of the Sun in 1st. This may liken you to Aries because energy is concentrated there. But does it mean that passion burns logic away? No.

As you said; "...with my logical brain the first thing i noticed is that you (and your descriptions are nice) is that Capricorn can not be like Cancer, or anything else".

This suggests to me that you identify strongly with the mind and still filter your expression through it.

Aries may see logic, but it is passion and the instinctive need to express "off the cuff" that gets them 1st. Whether this is "logic" or not is irrelevant. Only in the aftermath do they realize; "maybe that wasn't the best idea?"

Aries often gets into fights with others about what they think and can turn discussions into a war zone -refusing to listen to something they disagree on if they see the "truth" clearly and convinced others do not.

I think if you had the "Aries" approach, you would have probably received a warning or two from the moderators to refrain from insulting people or calling them names OR people would have started verbal wars with you because of something you said that was "off the cuff" etc.

posted December 06, 2016 11:14 AM            

as it progresses to the 12th- that is something you should be seeing in me as well, kindness, consideration, i dont know, i dont care to describe the energies but that's what you should pick up on.

i know from how the chart progresses, that i wont necessarily be as much of an aries as an actual aries sun sign, but the 1st house is not just similar to aries, it is aries.

but it's a part of me that is in the back of my mind, and my progressed chart is what's on the surface, that's the thing most might notice about me, it's what sticks out to the surface. which is why aries seem more arian than first housers, although when they still (in progressed) have their sun in the first, they are arian as well, but it's not to a fixed degree in the zodiac so they are like a non "personalized" arian. kind of like a drifting arian and one day it will drift to the 12th, and be even less arian.

either way, if you examine anyone who has for example jupiter at the Mh, they all do encompass the jupiter look, they all have the same expression- and thus that is the natal chart (which is hundreds of times stronger than any progressed chart, if not 1000sx)

so if they still have that jupiter look, even though it's only in their natal and their chart progresses to no longer have that aspect- then the exact same goes for any first house, in the natal it is in the first, which in my opinion is in fact exactly the same as aries,

and possibly stronger than the signs (depending on the strength of both rings creating the zodiac)

then that means all first housers are aries, but it's not as active in the growth process, (which is the progressed chart)

as i stated before.

posted December 06, 2016 11:42 AM            

for example electro, he is a 4th house aqua, i'm a first. contrast us and you will see we are both intellectual, calm, socially aware and take our time to explain our understanding. however he has a more emotional, kind of maybe a bit more serious, i dont know the other words, cold maybe.

i am a fair bit different then him- and even though we both can communicate in a social way and express our thoughts intellectually- the most major difference you'll notice is the sun placement (cause it's 99.8% of our solar system)

posted December 06, 2016 12:18 PM            

My head hurts . The thing is that words are just symbols, not feeling. They can never truly envelope the idea, the inspiration or thought only describe it.

So I went to read and suppose it as you state i.e house represents energy of sign etc.

Sun in Sagittarius(Sun in 9th), Moon in Gemini(Moon in 3rd)

The combination of your Sun sign and your Moon sign produces a personality that is by no means shy, timid or backward. You will step to the front when the call for leadership is made. You are a very adventurous person, both physically and mentally, never satisfied to stand still in either sense. Because you are naturally lucky in a financial way, you are never really very concerned about security. You know how to sell yourself and achieve a good deal of popular prestige. You are apt to see a lot of life before you eventually decide to settle down. Variety, travel, changes, mental stimulation, and a wide range of personalities around you are all needed to busy your extremely restless nature. Stability is your challenge; staying with a project, a cause, or even a person sometimes, can be a really hard task for you. Concentrating your efforts in one focused direction can be your weakness. Nonetheless, your broad range of interests and your enthusiasm will allow you to continue to be effective in working on a lot of things and making continuous progress on all of them. Pettiness is something you have difficulty understanding and of which are never guilty. Everything you do is above board and rendered in a grand fashion. You rarely exercise caution or care, never one to shy away from taking a risk, so long as there is a reasonable chance things will work out. You want to get to the top and you very well may, guided by a mixture of idealism, faith in yourself, and cool, practical good sense. Yours is a high spirit and a good grasp of reality.

Sun in Scorpio(Sun in 8th), Moon in Gemini(Moon in 3rd)

The combination of your Sun sign and your Moon sign produces a highly versatile and clever personality. You have a flair for people that makes you very popular. You have a keen, if sometimes sarcastic, sense of humor. Sometimes you can sound a bit cynical in expression or be too clever. Your mental capabilities are very significant, as you have the ability to reason on your sensations. You are an exceptionally quick and retentive learner. The depth of Scorpio's intensity and tendency to dig to the bottom of every issue, is challenged by the Gemini desire to always be into something new and different, and this factor seems to generate a great deal of nervous energy or hyperactivity. Thus, you seem to always be engaged in a flurry of activity, constantly moving from one project to the next. You obtain more satisfaction from addressing a wide variety of problems at the same time rather than concentrating your efforts on getting a single project finished right. You thrive on change and you are rarely content or satisfied with current ideas or opinions. In contrast with the inherently fixed, stable and determined character normally found in Scorpio, you are much more flexible and changeable in your mental outlook. There are periods when you are wavering and indecisive, because of your ability to see both sides of a question. You are clever and quick with words and you may achieve success in fields that take advantage of your critical or analytical and investigative skills. Success is not, however, all important to you, as you want to more or less just slide through life with an attitude of indifference and nonchalance. Nonetheless, brains and personality will usually go far even when the attitude in completely determined.

posted December 06, 2016 01:02 PM            

well imo you match the sag one. and you do come off as one of the more firey people on here. i can tell, i have an eye.

i laughed because, you are saying you are not sure how important house placements are- yet you have the same house placements as your sun signs! (likely maybe anyway)

so if they are the same, no wonder you don't know if house placements are strong or weak, cause you wouldnt be able to differenciate your house placements from your sign placements, it's all just one energy to you. hahah

i know of someone else who had the sign as their house placement, and didn't really care when i told them about my house placement of my sun, they almost seemed skeptical or like it wasn't important. hahaha.

cause you both just don't know the significance cause you don't have 2 different energies to compare to.

anyway was your chart rectified from an aproximate time, so that it's close?

or is it up in the air. i'd assume the former.

posted December 07, 2016 02:40 AM            

Also you can see the strength of the house/sign by how much emphasis they individually have on their eyes, how much do they 'occupy' their head/eyes, how much 'awareness' or 'embodiment' do they have with their eyes? Below the first house sun row is just random people likely to have not too much of any certain position (sign) energy dominant.

So the more emphasis they have on the eyes, the stronger the position/house/sign.

You can scroll your eyes from top to bottom, down the columb, to get a good view of it.

posted December 07, 2016 05:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Only time will tell
Just tell him not to take the Astrology so seriously

Tell him a bunch of mixed things that don't add up to one personality and see which evolves lol

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I have no intention of trying to help him. I found out for years he was spying on me through watching this monitor from his ibook. He's a creep

On top of that when I directly confronted him about it a few years ago, he plainly said "no", i even sensed his tone that he thought he was getting away with it

posted December 07, 2016 06:09 AM            

if you go here

go to the second picture posted for some leos in the 11th house.

I just found out I'm a 10th (cap) moon, well I mean i just started putting thought into it. It matches I suppose. Emotions connected to physicality I suppose, cardinal means starting things, things are being started up inside of you, so physicality is being started, you just notice and observe physical things.

Mutable means you can already foresee the way things should be, and so you'd strive to achieve those

Cardinal is you'll notice a box of crackers, you'll notice a cup and it's physicality.

And your moon's overall energy will also be blended with gemini, thoughts ideas,

posted December 07, 2016 06:24 AM            

Aries is a describer.

If you wanted me to try i'd just say you'd be very fixed, the house might be stronger, so you might be a bit more full of thoughts and ideas than you are of pride and power-hungryness.

Leo's have a lot of pride in what they do, they feel good when they offer much to others, it makes them feel good. Aquas however would rather have fun twisting words and thinking up funny ideas, and enjoy communicating and sharing them, but probably not take as much pride, although perhaps feel impressed by themselves.