posted November 29, 2016 06:51 PM            

My dad always had faith in the signs, that they reflected who you are. He's a fixed sign and he has a 4th house Sun.

It seems like he was always trying to live up to the description of his sun sign which is fixed element of fire.

He seemed like he wasn't too keen. He always felt discouraged like he wasn't as strong as everyone else as fixed fire is supposed to be. He was more reclusive.

The other day I told him his sun house placement, 4th. Which IMO is the strongest, the house placements overlapping in various ring systems. He has it in 4th in the other 3 theorized ( i believe ) house systems. So strongly cancerian sun house placement.

After I told him all this, that some think the house is actually stronger than the sign, and that cancer is moody, enjoys the home environment, he has appeared to drop his depressing and proud demeaner, like he was always challenging to be strong, like he wasn't allowed to show joy in cooking its just something he was supposed to do. Now its different, he is showing joy in cooking because I told him cancers love to cook and enjoy the home atmosphere.

He is being more feely-funny-emotional on phone calls with friends, like he feels like it's okay to be himself, to be nice and emotional and kind and enjoy it to. Before he had a posture and position like he had to not show emotions and had to be strong. He's changed

He's expressing more emotions in watching or listening to songs, showing genuine emotions, not hiding anything

posted November 29, 2016 06:59 PM            

Like a weak person

In fact the opposite happened, he felt it clicked, and it made him have a sense of like he was good

posted November 29, 2016 10:43 PM            

I agree with you on the house placements being stronger. At least with me, it feels more natural to aling with my house placements more so than my sign placements. Of course, traits of my sign placements still shine, but my house placements are very poweful. Being a more introverted and emotional Cancer Sun with Moon in Scorpio fits way more than being an extroverted, super social Aquarius Sun with a Gemini Moon. It explains why I am so emotional

posted November 30, 2016 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I agree with you on the house placements being stronger. At least with me, it feels more natural to aling with my house placements more so than my sign placements. Of course, traits of my sign placements still shine, but my house placements are very poweful. Being a more introverted and emotional Cancer Sun with Moon in Scorpio fits way more than being an extroverted, super social Aquarius Sun with a Gemini Moon. It explains why I am so emotional

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Same here! My Sagittarius Sun is in the 5th house and my Leo Moon is in the 1st house. Honestly I have always felt more like a Leo Sun/Aries Moon than a Sagittarius Sun/Leo Moon.

posted November 30, 2016 01:00 PM            

I wonder what aspects your Dad has to his Leo Sun?

posted November 30, 2016 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
House position more "powerful" than actual sign energy? I think not!

I wonder what aspects your Dad has to his Leo Sun?

Sun in 4th is dominating(Sun) at home(4th). Well, unless Uranus/Neptune aspect the Sun.

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I've seen many people state that they feel their house placement is more potent than their actual sign placement, not only on these forums in the past but people in real life as well. Many people have described me to be more of a Cancer Sun rather than an Aquarius Sun, simply by me reading the descriptions for both blindly and them making a choice.

Although, there are cases where this has not been true ime. I think it really depends.

posted November 30, 2016 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I've seen many people state that they feel their house placement is more potent than their actual sign placement, not only on these forums in the past but people in real life as well. Many people have described me to be more of a Cancer Sun rather than an Aquarius Sun, simply by me reading the descriptions for both blindly and them making a choice.

Although, there are cases where this has not been true ime. I think it really depends

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I will not challenge your view. But am really curious; What does Cancer Sun energy mean to you?

For me,the Cancer Sun is is more "feeling" focused and prone to extremes of emotions and Aquarius is strongly intellectual-rarely letting emotions influence them without first extensive, cool detached examination.

Even Cancers with Moon in Gemini use their intellectual aptitude to "justify" how they are feeling i.e "Based on this experience I have had,I can see how A and B add up". They rarely question their subjective feelings

Gemini Sun/Cancer Moon observe their subjective feelings from an intellectual microscope; "How would you feel if someone did A and B to you? "Am I right by feeling this way?" etc. They ALWAYS question how they are feeling.

posted November 30, 2016 04:49 PM            

My dad has sun square his asc and is the mid point of 4 other planets. So it has a certain amount of pressure, but besides him I have several examples, well basically everyone who I actually know their birth time strongly reflects their house placement.

Such as a brother, always using tools (something i wasnt good at) always fixing up places, focused on the material, focused on his car, always buying material things as gifts as if they are so important, (shoes, guitar) and always wanting to be of service, that's practically all he does is try to be of service. Then I find out he's a 6th house sun and it seems to match him more than his sign. Same with another friend, Libra Sun in the 8th, always deep and profound, getting attracted to just following his feelings and going off sitting by the river, meeting some old guys and going along with them, inviting homeless people to his house, having strange sexual experiences. Talking about destiny and seemingly knowing a lot more than me about that kind of thing when we were younger. And now he constantly talks about his new ideas, such as items holding the feeling they had of when the great warriors held them, holding the same vibration such as a sword or a relic having a special energy feeling to it that is instilled in it. And believing his feelings and energy are effecting and changing others to act differently at certain times. Much is delusion for him, but some might be true.

Sun in 8th.

I'm sun in first, never cried growing up well it was rare.
ETA: my 8th house friend cried all the time well often about relatives/ pets dying

Aries why bother asking what Cancer energy is, i mean that part isn't really up for debate unless you are saying that the houses are not the signs.

posted November 30, 2016 05:10 PM            

So don't just take my word for it. I might be wrong, it's possible.
[IMG]https://s15.postimg.org/nd6y79y3v/image.png[/IMG]

The signs are more active a little, cause their sun is still in their sign in the P. Chart so they are still a "new" change for the individual, the P chart is the change and new perspective that we keep gaining as we get old. So that new perspective is always fixed (staying the same) for the sun sign, meaning its more active in the growth process. Meanwhile it stays in the first for less then 0-25 years for any individual (as it progresses) meaning its no longer in their "NEW" perspective P. chart.

But we can't underestimate the natal, as it's the big shizam.

Sorry for posting a pic, as I'm not longer in the mind set to be collecting them (not crazy) this will likely be the last one. Just have no new interesting thoughts for collecting them and thinking up ways to prove stuff, so I havn't collected any for about a week. This was just a week old pic and my last one very likely that I would ever collect. I only have 5 on my hard drive deleted all rest. No more mood for collecting = no more pics.

Remember after you see these pictures that might make astrology seem "too real" and "how can it actually work" which might lead you to be like "i gotta step away, nah this cant be this true, what does it mean, what am i seeing?"

Well the truth is, Aqua is not aquarius. It's not a sign, it's a word for the sign. And fixed is a word we use to describe a sign, it is a tangible thing, but we use a word to *try* to describe it, but that part might be completely correct. It seems like it is.

The elements are what we *try* to use to describe the other traits. It is just an energy

Those are the by product- REAL things

In their basic parts, it's a real by product created in existence.

So no aquarius is not a sign, libra is not a sign. Those are words describing the signs and the pic above is how it actually is. its a real force.

Negative signs, has a different polarity, the metaphysical bond we feel as a planet melds with that energy.

alright if anyone was curious about how i said when my sun was still in the first in the progressed and i looked exactly like the aries, with the same expression, here is the picture again with some first house suns who STILL in the pic have the sun in 1st in progressed. I'm gonna look for more but that's what i got so far.

edit: ok i added leanardo as well who has natal sun in 2nd so in the young pic its still in the 2nd but in the older one it would be progressed to the first (aries-similar). edit again: just added ryan same as leonardo sun in 2nd in natal and P. for the young pic but P. to 1st in the older one. this also represents stages in people's lives, when the sun changes houses they take on a new way of life, a new perspective of Aries (1st) or whatever house. yes P.D. is the true progression. for many many reasons.

The first is still an active ingredient in their life, just as in P.D. the sun sign would still be, and i'll find more and more pics showing that they arent just similar to aries, they ARE aries. sun's who have it still in 1st in progressed.

posted December 01, 2016 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I will not challenge your view. But am really curious; What does Cancer Sun energy mean to you?

For me,the Cancer Sun is is more "feeling" focused and prone to extremes of emotions and Aquarius is strongly intellectual-rarely letting emotions influence them without first extensive, cool detached examination.

Even Cancers with Moon in Gemini use their intellectual aptitude to "justify" how they are feeling i.e "Based on this experience I have had,I can see how A and B add up". They rarely question their subjective feelings

Gemini Sun/Cancer Moon observe their subjective feelings from an intellectual microscope; "How would you feel if someone did A and B to you? "Am I right by feeling this way?" etc. They ALWAYS question how they are feeling.

These are very differing expressions.

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To me, Cancer Sun energy is a very sensitive, emotional energy. It is an energy that strongly cherishes the bonds with the people close to them and often invests a great deal of energy towards the one's they love. It is a sign that works off of feelings, as you have described.

The thing is though is that they say Aquarius is meant to be a very detached sign, but that's definitely not the case for me. Everyone has described me as being an emotional person, but they say that I try to hide my emotions from them. I often do a lot of analytical work on my emotions, but often it's not from an intellectual stand point. While I can remain personally excluded when discussing topics of interest (3rd house Aqua Merc), I can't remain detached when it becomes personal. The only way for me to not get my emotions involved in a discussion is if it remains impartial.

It's incredibly difficult to not let my emotions influence me. I have an great deal of self-control, but that also means putting a cap on my emotions and when I do that, they just stir up and boil. There will be times where I can be like, "Why am I feeling this way?", but it's usually only quite trivial matters. Otherwise, my emotions aren't questioned. That's just how I feel about myself, and why I feel more inline with a Cancer Sun vs an Aquarius Sun. I do have Aquarian Traits, don't get me wrong, but I don't believe I fully fit into the Aquarian archetype.

posted December 01, 2016 01:42 AM            

you can erase if you want and i'll update this response (edit) about every 30 minutes if you wanna check and no need to thank let you know how sure i am maybe i'll post a pic

looking almost exactly like taurus tho.

top taurus bott scorp. i tend to mix them up for some reason while guessing and he blended with scorps more than the rest but i thought taurus more but i tend to get it backwards.
edit: actually looks like likely a scorp hahah (taurus dsc tho)
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still gonna keep checking thats what i always do i try to find an answer for sure. i check all signs over and over.
most of the time.

but thought taurus stuck out a lot so wanted to share that.

he was really similar to aries but didnt quite blend enough so its really easy to get the sun sign placement screwy with it. its possible he's pisces idk yet but he seems really fixed, if his sun was in the 8th for example it might be why im leaning towards scorp when he could be pisces. so really got to keep analyzing i am.

it's weird it was like there was this psychic bond pushing me to think he was nothing like cancers. i think its something in the ether/ gods working that makes me guess them backwards. god's vibrations influence us to do things all the time.

he might actually be cancer rising.

it was a really strange field making me think, "nah he's way different!" but i didnt follow my feelings, if i followed my "psychihc look outs" (trying to let god guide me) i woulda guided past it. but i didnt do that. I used my mind. i said you never know, anythings possible, and i checked further, and it turns out he does have some similarities. he might be that.

i got a weird feelign that thats how its going to turn out , that he is that. just hold on.

posted December 01, 2016 02:11 AM            

i'm gonna have to use the flashy pic gif just to be sure.

it has about 80% accuracy 5% of the time and 95% accuracy 95% of the time. hold on. i'll show you when its done

and to let you know now that i am making the pics when i do a simple "drag over face" delete /undo delete (makes him disapear and repear) he is pretty similar to virgos too.

So once this tool is done you'll see for yourself. its up in the air entirely.

*******EDIT ANGEL******

http://gifmaker.cc/PlayGIFAnimation.php?folder=2016113018Wy0SPCeddVUpSqq lHwFNB3&file=output_2kf0zK.gif

Oh the order from left to right is: top row: virgo pisces repeated. next row: capcancercapcancer (repeated)
next: taurus ->scorp (repeated)
Go there! I'll get a slower one too.

It appears he blends with many. Definitely not virgo or cap though. suggesting a water asc perhaps? cause he doesnt blend with those in the slightest. yet he does the others.

Alright. Nevermind about not being an earth asc. He's a taurus rising. He's exactly liked them, i speculated each one close up for about several seconds per one. Took my time. When i got to taurus after my mind was focused on the differences from all the others- there was none. He's exactly a taurus!

posted December 01, 2016 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
he is a special case em gem getting strange energy

i'm gonna have to use the flashy pic gif just to be sure.

it has about 80% accuracy 5% of the time and 95% accuracy 95% of the time. hold on. i'll show you when its done

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posted December 01, 2016 02:54 AM            

He looks exactly like some of them!

posted December 01, 2016 03:01 AM            

the top row is pisces, then virgo, then pisces, then virgo, its just the way i made it i didnt plan ahead. in fact i wasnt even expecting pisces to get paired with virgo. could have been cap. i was surprised and happy to see pisces was paired with virgos, caps were with cancers, scorps wiith taurus, i was like, what the!! thats perfect! wasnt expecting that.

next row is first cap, then cancer, then cap, then cancer. so on.

final row is taurus. then scorp.

to get a time of birth, enter his birth city, go to his day, use astrotheme transit tool http://www.astrotheme.com/transits_ephemerides_chart.php

and move the time towards until it was at taurus.

posted December 01, 2016 03:08 AM            

but wow he's looking almost exactly like Elijah Wood. Def seeing taurus then.

ok ill play with the sun in houses now.

posted December 01, 2016 03:09 AM            

thats not what we are looking for.

its the facial expression. he's not cap

posted December 01, 2016 03:21 AM            

To me, he looks mostly like 3rd from bottom left if we're talking facials.