posted January 25, 2017 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
It seems you are basing your comment off of one person with Venus in Pisces. Correct me if I am wrong.

If I am not wrong the study of astrology is about being open-minded and not drawing conclusions based on limited information.

I've experienced fakeness from Leos, but I don't conclude that Leos are fake. I know you didn't say all Venus in Pisces, but your previous comment is a pet peeve of mine.

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posted January 25, 2017 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
interesting that many can label others fake, but who labels themselves as fake. maybe if you were those other people, the things you saw them as "not being true to themselves about" they actually were

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Excellent point. I would say that Moon trine Venus & Venus in the 7th House can be "seen as fake" and "seem fake" (pay attention to the quotation marks because these placements prefer harmony and collaboration. This placement would sacrifice temporary discomfort & unpleasantness for peace.

Is this fake? By the way I have Moon trine Venus & Venus in the 7th House does this make me fake then?

posted January 25, 2017 02:27 PM            

Discussing this is important because if we can find out why we have these negative tendencies, we can use them in order to better ourselves and evolve.

posted January 25, 2017 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
interesting that many can label others fake, but who labels themselves as fake. maybe if you were those other people, the things you saw them as "not being true to themselves about" they actually were

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posted January 25, 2017 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by panzi:
Fake:
-to divert yourself from your true nature in order to please someone else.
-accommodation to trends,groups of people,ideas that are in contradiction with your core.
-Not having a core at all,meaning a set of fixed principles,morals,way of thinking and standards that you always follow and you would never change no matter what.

Genuine: To be strong and not bend like a leaf in the wind in front of people who try hard to push their system over your system and if you fail to be a follower you are immediately called "closed minded" ,rigid and wrong.

Quote from Kurt Cobain who was a Pisces:
"I'd rather be hated for who i am than loved for who i am not".

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I see your definitions of Fake a different way
First example: So being on your best behavior is fake then?
Second example: AGREE but this can also mean being open-minded/playing the devil's advocate and seeing something from someone else's perspective
Third example: Not having a core, doesn't mean you are fake. You could be figuring things out, trying to work through your own beliefs. Other than morals/morality beliefs are subject to change. Like I don't have the same beliefs as I do 5 years ago.

Also Genuine means authentic, real, honest, straightforward. It has nothing to do with strength.

posted January 25, 2017 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
yes i believe it's all about retaining harmony. you could easily tell a guy hey i dont want to talk to you go away from here or else. but to retain harmony you say heyyy hows it going. in that way it is fake. but you are staying true to the higher want, the higher sense you should do, is be fake, which is not to be fake, but to be harmony.

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I wouldn't say that being fake and going against your own desires for the sake of someone else is a higher sense. Selfishness and selflessness are put into negative and positive lights respectively, but each one is equally good and bad, depending on how much of one or the other one has.

posted January 25, 2017 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by panzi:
Based on my first hand experience with this one person,observance of a few Pisces people and reading a lot about Pisces on forums like this one.
Of course you are not all the same...i so hope that only a small portion of Pisces are like this.
I've seen fakeness in a Gemini friend with Leo Venus who agrees with what i(and others) say even if she doesn't truly agree at all(she calls it diplomacy).However her fakeness is only verbal.She will not start to follow anyone or change herself for anyone in order to please or accommodate.

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posted January 25, 2017 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Ophiuchus placements are pretty fake.

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You win the best comment of week award.

posted January 25, 2017 02:38 PM              

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Originally posted by meyray:
Ophiuchus placements are pretty fake.

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posted January 25, 2017 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
not according to NASA.

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NASA should keep their mouth shut when it comes to astrology and stick to astronomy. It's obvious that they have no clue what they are talking about.

posted January 25, 2017 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I didn't say anything about my own libra placements xD I both got Libra mercury and 5th house in Libra... I admit I can be a bit fake around people to avoid conflict, cause I really hate it. Sometimes I feel its necessary to tell people what they want to hear to save my own a**... why would I hide it... I'm actually rarely totally honest with strangers, unless I feel that what they actually would only like to know is the truth... this happens when I detect any scorpio/sagittarius energy :P

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posted January 25, 2017 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
You win the best comment of week award.

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posted January 25, 2017 03:07 PM              

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
In my view, there are no placements/aspects that might indicate fakeness.
A Libra is a people-pleasing sign in general. It is how Libran energy is. You can't expect it to kick everyone's a$$ like an Aries or remain as serious as a Capricorn, just like you can't expect a zebra to roar like a lion and a lion to bark like a dog, it is what it is. If a Moon-Venus is pleasing everyone with its superficial charm, then it is behaving exactly like its supposed to behave.

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posted January 25, 2017 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
I see your definitions of Fake a different way
First example: So being on your best behavior is fake then?
Second example: AGREE but this can also mean being open-minded/playing the devil's advocate and seeing something from someone else's perspective
Third example: Not having a core, doesn't mean you are fake. You could be figuring things out, trying to work through your own beliefs. Other than morals/morality beliefs are subject to change. Like I don't have the same beliefs as I do 5 years ago.

Also Genuine means authentic, real, honest, straightforward. It has nothing to do with strength.

Like thee Kurt Cobain quote

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posted January 25, 2017 03:50 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
I agree

I think astrologers also need to resolve their conflicting opinions about Libras. We cannot complain that:

a) They never fully take your side, they are always pointing out other ways of looking at an issue, and burdening you with speeches about "on the other hand..." AND

b) They are people pleasing and will say whatever it takes to make you happy.

Those are mutually exclusive. So let's stop saying both of those things.

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posted January 25, 2017 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by panzi:

1.What is a best behavior?I have a "me" behavior and this includes a lot of **** that will come right the minute i disagree with something because i lack sugar coating skills.
You see,we are different because i value truth more than harmony.This cost me a lot in life because guess what?:a vast amount of people hate truth.
2.Open minded for me means to listen to someone's arguments,try to understand his/her motivations ,not judge or oppress that person yet so many "open minded" people discredit me because i do not want to follow.
I would listen to anyone's arguments but operate changes only after i filter all through my system.
3.Everyone is changing and we are all constantly figuring things out,it's just that i have my own boundaries and i like to continue to have them.They were not decided by others or forced onto me...they are set in place by me and define who i am.
After all if you have no boundaries and merge with everyone,where do you start and where they end?Where are you in the big salad?And it would be ok if the views would be complementary to eachother but imagine how it is like when a guy is a feminist with his fellow girl friends yet tolerates or engages in misogynism with his guy friends.Quite confusing,no?It is just an example...
And to play "the devil's advocate" i understand why some people don't draw boundaries.It is for the sense of freedom isn't it?But boundaries would give identity and security and freedom as long as you are the one that set your own boundaries.

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1. Best Behavior, meaning not being an assshole or quick to temper/disagree. Example: When we are in a job interview, at church, at gathering/celebration most of us are on our Best Behavior. We refrain from acting a fool and embarrassing ourselves because it really isn't all about us. That's what I mean by best behavior.

I value truth as much as harmony. I also think there is a time and place for everything. I also think it depends on the person, my relationship with them, and other factors. If someone doesn't mean as much to me aka I don't give a shite about them I don't engage off the bat and almost always tend to let it go. If it's someone close to me, I may engage or let it go depending on if it's important to me. If I feel/disagree STRONGLY about something with someone I am close to, harmony goes out the window and I will engage.

I don't think people hate the truth. I think it's the delivery. If someone is mad and yelling at me, I would not have time to hear the truth because they are being an assshole. If someone is calm and we can talk without name-calling/being mean then I'm totally open.

Also truth is relative/subjective. What you see as truth maybe seen as false by someone else.

2. I agree with your definitions of Open-Minded too

3. Your example about your friend shows your friend is being pretty fake and hypocritical. I would not want to deal with someone like that they seem like flip flops and I wouldn't be able to trust them. For me personally if I am not sure about something or don't care enough about it I keep my mouth shut.

posted January 25, 2017 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
Do you ever question/ask them about it? If you do, are they honest/upfront with you about their inconsistency?

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posted January 25, 2017 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by panzi:
I questioned my Gemini friend.She says that she likes to keep it in good terms with everyone and likes to be diplomatic even if that means to not express her honest opinion in regards to them.
Maybe she just takes the parts that she likes from people and the ones that she doesn't,just hide them under a rug.
She also thinks that maybe someday those people would be of any use to her.
Also likes to be viewed as a nice person.

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posted January 25, 2017 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
I understand better now. I would say there is a bit of fakeness and dishonesty with your friend but I can see where she's coming from. She doesn't want to burn bridges. I personally wouldn't hold that against her but I would be looking at her a bit sideways.

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