posted January 25, 2017 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by panzi:
Venus in Pisces: Don't have their own ideas and don't have a personality of their own.They want to please people so they simply take the identity of the people they interact with.
They have no spinebone and everything is temporary.It's pointless to find out how they really are...better see what people they have around.
I have a hunch that this can apply to Pisces anything.

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This is true!! I had a former friend who is exactly like this. I stopped being her friend because I cannot stand people who can't keep it real. She was also highly Neptunian, though.

Another one would also be Libra suns. I have met quite a bunch who are very nice but I cannot stand their guts. This is the type to be nice to you while talking sh** about everybody else. Then when they're in front of someone they were just talking sh** about, they suddenly are nice to them. I've only met one Libra in my life who kept it real. He was a Scorpio moon, so he won't deal with bullsh** like that.

I think Venus and Neptune influenced people will have a tendency to be like this.

posted January 25, 2017 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by panzi:
Venus in Pisces: Don't have their own ideas and don't have a personality of their own.They want to please people so they simply take the identity of the people they interact with.
They have no spinebone and everything is temporary.It's pointless to find out how they really are...better see what people they have around.
I have a hunch that this can apply to Pisces anything.

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posted January 25, 2017 09:12 AM              

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Originally posted by panzi:
Venus in Pisces: Don't have their own ideas and don't have a personality of their own.They want to please people so they simply take the identity of the people they interact with.
They have no spinebone and everything is temporary.It's pointless to find out how they really are...better see what people they have around.
I have a hunch that this can apply to Pisces anything.

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Oh this is so true. In my experienced with them too they really do tend to follow the crowd they favour the most and seem to copy the opinions and behavior of those. This is the main thing i don`t like with pisces influenced people, it just comes off kinda fake and weak to me.

posted January 25, 2017 09:33 AM              

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Originally posted by charlie:
I have also known some Libra Suns that have been extremely upfront, almost foot in mouth disease!

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posted January 25, 2017 10:15 AM              

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:

Gemini might seem fake too because they say things and don't stick it. But what I've mostly found with Geminis is that they literally just easily forget things, so it seems like they're lying but they're really not.

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posted January 25, 2017 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
Oh believe me been around lots of geminies in my life, mostly people with gem stelliums but also a few with only one planet in gemini and goodness sakes how they can LIE.I have also noticed they also have a tendency to one minute act like your friend and then suddenly act like they don`t know you.

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That is definitely a Gemini tendency, and it frustrated me when it came to dealing with them. It's not necessarily fake though, more like two-faced in that regard.

posted January 25, 2017 10:30 AM              

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Originally posted by panzi:
They are weak and fake but i don't think they are doing it to hurt someone or because they are evil.We,as adults expect an adult to already have an identity,personal tastes,own personality but in fact Pisces should be viewed as small children:very impressionable,fragile,do what they see around them,constantly need someone to love them and guide them(someone with a spinebone)aka a parent figure.
It really makes perfect sense once you view them as infants

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posted January 25, 2017 10:34 AM              

I don`t think it can be reduced to one simple sign, too.

If we define being FAke as wanting to please everyone around you, then yes, Venus is probably on the top of the list, esp. if aspecting Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter or Neptune AND often in aspect to the ASC or DESC or their rulers. (that is if we are talking about personal contact. A Venus on the MC can charm People in more public situations, and will not necessarily Show what they are truely about, unless the luminaries and/ or chartruler are there as well. if an angular Venus is square, opposit or quinkunx Moon, then we might really have someone who seems to be very different than they actually feel inside. Also let`s not Forget the role of the ASC in this. Depending on what else is going on there, Venus, MErcury, Neptune on ASC could be just "all too pleasing/ soothing" or even confused about what they really are, which is mostly true for Neptune, until they have found the Access to their inner voice and not assimiliating pretty much everything that Comes to them from an external source).

posted January 25, 2017 10:42 AM              

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Pisces is not fake, because not being fake would mean that one is not genuine, and if Pisces is truly unaware of who they actually are, then they couldn't be fake. Libra is fake because they try too hard to please other people, and in that regard they are giving up who they know they are in order to make other people happy. That is fake. Pisces simply absorbs the energy around them and becomes that, and in that essence they would be adaptable and not fake.

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posted January 25, 2017 10:43 AM              

Of Course we do generalize here, not EVERY Pisces nor EVERY Libra is like that.

(actually the most fake Person I have ever met was the Ex of my best friend, A stellium of Sun-Venus-Mars-Uranus in Libra in 12th house, but with Venus already conjunct the Libra-ASC.

posted January 25, 2017 10:46 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Of Course we do generalize here, not EVERY Pisces nor EVERY Libra is like that.

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posted January 25, 2017 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
Not true in my experience. Pisces can be similar to Libra maybe even worse when it comes to people pleasing and giving up on what they want just to make others happy.

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I certainly have not seen it. Many of the Piscean people that I have met tune everything and everyone out; they don't try as hard to please as Librans have. Many Libran's I have known will lie over the littlest of things just so that harmony is kept in balance and no feathers are ruffled at all. I don't see it with Pisces as much as I have Libra ime.

posted January 25, 2017 10:58 AM              

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Pisces is not fake, because not being fake would mean that one is not genuine, and if Pisces is truly unaware of who they actually are, then they couldn't be fake. Libra is fake because they try too hard to please other people, and in that regard they are giving up who they know they are in order to make other people happy. That is fake. Pisces simply absorbs the energy around them and becomes that, and in that essence they would be adaptable and not fake.

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They're not giving up who they are - they're just trying to accommodate someone else's tastes and personality. Libra is sun in the fall, expression of their conscious self does not come naturally.

There's this pressure of putting too much of oneself out there and overshadowing other's expressions of personailty. Libra imagines that everyone else is like that too, so they don't want to trample on others' personalities (if that makes sense). So, while putting forth an opinion or taking an action - it's all very tentative. They can't #JustDoIt - there's a whole round of "but how will she feel? how will he take it? am I being too uptight? is this even necessary to say?" So when they DO finally manage to put something out there, they constantly feel the need to balance it out with letting others have an equal shot at putting forth their opinions and taking their own actions. They can grow internally resentful when they sense that others don't do the same (because, each man for himself is the model of the world anyway - that becomes a tough pill to swallow).

^That's why some of them can be incredibly naive (yeah, the foot-in-mouth thing).

Oh and if one has a difficult outer planet squaring the already fragile sense of ego of the Libra sun, it can become even harder to handle. I know two Libra suns square Neptune - one is schizophrenic and other somewhere on the schizoid spectrum, but as yet undiagnosed. They live in their internal hell-hole. Bad enough having a Libra sun that doesn't allow you to express yourself guilt-free, add to that an outer planet biggie trying to majorly change your sense of self - deeply unsettling.

posted January 25, 2017 11:00 AM              

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I certainly have not seen it. Many of the Piscean people that I have met tune everything and everyone out; they don't try as hard to please as Librans have. Many Libran's I have known will lie over the littlest of things just so that harmony is kept in balance and no feathers are ruffled at all. I don't see it with Pisces as much as I have Libra ime.

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posted January 25, 2017 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
Maybe because you have strong air influence it might be easier for you to see through Libras than you do Pisces. But pisces ime is definitively a sign that would rather please than to be pleased and can a also lie just so they won`t hurt anyone. True what you said about Libras though and which i find annoying myself because this is an issue i have with my Libra stellium friend.

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Libra and Pisces influence mixed together can be a very problematic combination, but Pisces alone I do not believe is a fake sign. Pisceans I have met have even been confrontational and argumentative, which is something that Libra is not prone to doing. I'm pretty sure I would see it with my Sun-Neptune conjunction and Pisces Jupiter.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Pisces.

posted January 25, 2017 11:11 AM            

I've seen different trends come and go.

I had my children in the mid-80s... There was a social trend of some mothers "telling the truth" about how they "feel"... INCLUDING saying selfish words like what a DRAIN and dross their children are on their energy, and the family's finances.

HURT. It was ALL soooo HURTING of children who had to DEPEND on these mothers.

Some people are of the school that people should be able to say whatever the hel they want, and leave the responsibility on OTHERS to 'deal with it.'

I have SEEN the unintended consequences of such 'freedom' of speech--- and it HARMS people.

Feelings, emotions change....

Will YOUR saying 'the selfish truth' cause a LIFETIME of HARM to another person?

Let Our Rule be one of passing the Test of LOVE.

LOVE covers a Multitude of sins....

What you point out and FOCUS on in another human being can BRING FORTH 'that' Word, that Characteristic in them.

If you tell a kid that they are BAD, they are a BRAT, they are a DROSS on you.... They grow up in Isolation.... Then THAT state perpetuates because they will treat THEIR children, friends, the community, the same way. They perpetuate the state of Pain in the world. They ADD to suffering..... And it is NOT a 'holy' thing to subject another Person to 'suffering' for your/our SELFISHness.

About congruency.... What I read about 'friends' who say one thing, then laugh at you when they turn and go away.... That is SOOOO harmful and WRONG of them to do that. I am soooo sorry that your 'friend' has treated you in that manner. .... It is CRUELTY.

"Think" of the long-term Consequences of what you do or say to others.... Sometimes it is 'innocent' and to be 'forgiven' BECAUSE they were in ignorance.... Liberally Forgive.

But for those who DELIBERATELY do harm....
We NEED the Comfort of those who truly know us to surround us with Healing when that happens.

Know People BY their Fruits.... not just empty words. Let their Actions speak loudly.