posted January 29, 2017 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
AThenaia,

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posted January 29, 2017 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
OP,
I get your point..
But at some point or another, we're all in the throes of dead-end questions. Grasping at straws to make ourselves feel better.

It's not healthy for us, sure. But in the long run, it actually might be? Like, when we've gone around asking the Universe all those questions about that special someone and how they treat us and why. After being spun around for a while, we can really separate the wheat from the chaff. Look back and realize, oh - that was not some magical connection, that was just me being *me*. Or, realize - oh, I shouldn't have let my hang-ups cloud my judgment there. That's the one that got away.

Hindsight is 20-20. And sometimes astrology can help reason out some things we aren't quite ready to face yet. Context changes, perspective changes. But sometimes it's just a phase you *have* to go through.

^Which is where the board comes in. They may find it awkward to discuss these things with people in real life. Easier to confide in strangers, right? It is, if you have a lot of baggage. So, the very act of people talking to them, responding to them in their time of need is precious. You feel a little less alone if someone, even a stranger on the internet takes some time out of their lives to peek into yours and try to find some meaning there; or offer up some empathy. It's healing in and of itself.

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posted January 29, 2017 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Also wanted to Point out, as the Topic of personal readings/ Tarot etc has been brought up, personally I think it can be also a form of Entertainment, rather illuminating Entertainment, as it can inspire you to think into a direction you might previously have not thought into.

But I donīt think anyone really expects such a reading to be true 100% and bases life-decisions on it. At least I hope not.

I give People more credit than that and believe that their gut instinct and common sense will always win over what they might "want" to hear.

same goes for astrology obviously.

It`s always Feelings and Actions first. But I trust that People know that.

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That's it.

I also give people credit.

posted January 29, 2017 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
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But I donīt think anyone really expects such a reading to be true 100% and bases life-decisions on it. At least I hope not.

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I hope that too, but I am more saturnian when I see sometimes the degree of distress that some people have. sometimes the question looks like more a curiousity and fits the fun spirit. no harm here with the opinion i give, but I feel hesitant when the person is in distress and may use any of my info to validate something. of course it is up to the person, but some people are very jung and it is not the same give an opinion to a 30 years old person than a 16 year old girl and sometimes internet dilute that age barrier, among many other things that internet do not let us seen.

posted January 29, 2017 02:19 PM            

I remember some weeks ago when we were having strong arguments over an astrologer here giving advice to people and damaging their lives with some of her astrological advice. I remember that I said that it was people responsibility to diggest the information and to take steps to validate it and search on their own. and there was a war about how people in distress would receive an advice about X and Y etc, etc....

now the situation reverse. Now Ceri and Faith are trusting people judgement and feel that at the end they should know what to take and what not.

well, it is interesting. this goes for me as well. I should re-read my own post and put it here just to laugh a little bit on myself...

so girls... you have a point, it is taken. but I want also to remind you that you have been in the past very concerned about people receiving "false" astrological advice and during that time you did not seem to trust too much in the judgement of the receiver of the advice.

just wanted to point out how we human become incoherent with our own preaching when we are on one side of the fence (me included of course and no ironies)

conclusion after all the post received so far

1. some people comes to question to the forum that in my opinion and others here should be better answered outside the realm of astrology

2. some other believe that astrology can try to address any question assuming there is respect for dignity and focus as much as possible on the astrological content (fair point, but I personally refrain from that in circumstances where either the question is to specific (should i call him, why he is not calling, when he will come back) or the astrological info is trying to get a specific response with a too general astro info that can suit any person (should mars in piscis will accept this or that) or the person is in distress and even if enough astro info provided, it seems that it is safer to not give any response that can collude with a perpetuation of a problem

posted January 29, 2017 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I am actually very tolerant.

Just not of you, when you bully and preach like this.

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It is amazing how much you project your own intolerance toward others.

you do not tolerate me because you are a BULLY and PREACH telling me not to PREACH. that is your problem. you want to SILENT any person who is independent. But you need to born again to be able to achieve that with me. There is nobody in earth able to silent me. NOBODY!!!!!

posted January 29, 2017 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
It is amazing how much you project your own intolerance toward others.

you do not tolerate me because you are a BULLY and PREACH telling me not to PREACH. that is your problem. you want to SILENT any person who is independent. But you need to born again to be able to achieve that with me. There is nobody in earth able to silent me. NOBODY!!!!!

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I don't know.

Sometimes when I disagree with you, I make mild comments, buffered with signs of respect.

Whereas it seems you go for my jugular, time and again. Making a whole thread against me. Lecturing me here.

I said this thread is a bit judgmental.

It is.

Granted it is a valid point to be made, we should be mindful of our use of astrology. But when it goes on and on, by everyone, it just seems excessive.* That is not the fault of any individual. Just the nature of threads. They go on and on.

posted January 29, 2017 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:

so girls... you have a point, it is taken. but I want also to remind you that you have been in the past very concerned about people receiving "false" astrological advice and during that time you did not seem to trust too much in the judgement of the receiver of the advice.

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It wasn't the advice that was bad.

It was the charts that were so consistently wrong.

posted January 29, 2017 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
It is amazing how much you project your own intolerance toward others.

you do not tolerate me because you are a BULLY and PREACH telling me not to PREACH. that is your problem. you want to SILENT any person who is independent. But you need to born again to be able to achieve that with me. There is nobody in earth able to silent me. NOBODY!!!!!

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From my perspective - she stays objective and respectful, even while disagreeing with you.

The point Faith & Ceri were trying to make about a "certain" astrologer has nothing to do with the point they're making now. Apples & oranges.

1. When people solicit an opinion about a chart, it's like going to the doc for a diagnosis - sometimes docs are wrong and they know it. They don't want to freak the patient out, so they couch it all in medical terms. Take precautions but don't stop living your life. You can get a second opinion, a third. But you won't (for the most part), be shaking up the very concepts you have about medical science.

2. When people come on here and read GENERAL info about astrology, it's like when you read about medical science in the newspaper. What if you'd been told the brain actually resides in your stomach and your hands are your feet, feet are your hands and you should walk upside down? It's as almost as, if not quite, absurd to receive wrong information masquerading as general knowledge and "facts". Especially for newbies, they might swallow it - hook, line and sinker. This might be their major resource. They may not want to cross-check because the "facts" were told to them so authoritatively on a legit site.

posted January 29, 2017 03:21 PM            

BUT, I also think certain uses of boards like these can be very dangerous and unhealthy for certain personality types. I've received real and wonderful help from wonderful people on her, but because of my own psychology/astrology and tendencies toward obsessiveness, I have to be very careful not to use my involvement here in ways where I'm hurting myself (obsessing,,ruminating, etc).
@Faith, re that other thread (since I think my response is more topical here), sometimes it feels so good to me to rant and lecture about other people's personal lives, especially when I feel right and righteous----but that's NOT good in a healthy way, it's a good feeling like binging on tasty but unhealthy foods, or screaming at my ex.
when I start to do that online, it's a sign that I have excess energy and I should get offline and write, read, reach out and talk to IRL people......

@athenaia, I couldn't agree more that we only see/understand a limited part of someone's story from his/her posts. Also, soooo many women in the real world have a He's Just Not That Into You story like that.

The whole "you can't force someone to love you" thing doesn't resonate with me--I find it frustrating---not because I would ever try to force someone to love me, I don't. Even though I'm really obsessive. It's so much more about the MUTUALLY CHANGEABLE nuances of interpersonal relating and communications. Sometimes it's hard to read where someone else is coming from, intuitively or otherwise. And sometimes it really helps things along to get a better sense of how to read that person's signals, and/or how to communicate effectively with them. I just don't think that's manipulative. OR inauthentic. Or "forcing" someone to do anything. It's more like, if you're having someone as your guest for dinner, finding out what they like to eat, and serving that.

On the other hand, the particular interpretation of the soulmate/twin thing where it's like the relationship gets rated on a scale and scored---and the high score with your asteroid conjunctions means that a) "spiritually", you're two halves of a whole and Meant to Be and b) everything this person does to avoid you is them running from karma, including if they have a real relationship with someone else, who they actually WANT to be with in real life and c) you're a highly-advanced being who was the Queen of Sheba or whatever in a past life (Because that's what highly-advanced beings do, you know---they spend hours obsessively posting their asteroid conjunctions with some dude they,re not in a relationship with), and the reason you met your Twin (who lives in another country with another woman//who slept with you once, borrowed your Jeep and didn't return it, and gave your pot stash to his new lover/who asked HR to intervene so you'll stop contacting him) is that you're on an Accelerated Spiritual Path.

I truly, deeply believe that on the spiritual level, we're all one and we're all equal and we're all meant to love each other---and that the translation of that to the material plane, and what will help us all evolve, is if we each try to practice honoring all beings.

On the more mundane psychological level, we do feel special connections to each other, and astrology can be an interesting way to explore our interpersonal dynamics in depth--but I think using astrology as a Soul Mate rating system to validate to ourselves that we have a special, fated, "spiritual" union with someone who is Not Interested/deeply troubled/rejecting enough that we need to turn to an Internet forum about it is a dangerous use.

posted January 29, 2017 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks Elysia.

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Not at all.

posted January 29, 2017 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
@Elysia, wonderful points, beautifully put and very persuasive, about how the boards can help us reason out things we aren't able to face yet.

BUT, I also think certain uses of boards like these can be very dangerous and unhealthy for certain personality types. I've received real and wonderful help from wonderful people on her, but because of my own psychology/astrology and tendencies toward obsessiveness, I have to be very careful not to use my involvement here in ways where I'm hurting myself (obsessing,,ruminating, etc).

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Thank you.

And yeah, I understand where you're coming from. In fact, it helps if people who've been through similar circumstances share their perspective.

Any perspective helps, actually - people, more often than not, need a bit of a sounding board. It's more about the way things are said, than *what* is said to them. I believe you communicate with a lot of empathy & sensitivity, so please don't feel guilty about voicing your opinions on here.

posted January 29, 2017 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:

Not at all.

How someone as kind and gentle as you can be so wildly misconstrued is beyond me.

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Thanks again!

I do sound hard sometimes. 3H Pluto trine Gemini Mars.

But it's also a case where, most of my content aims to be helpful and supportive.

I think anyone who's been around sees that I am just like this.

posted January 29, 2017 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I think anyone who's been around sees that I am just like this.

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posted January 29, 2017 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:

@Faith, re that other thread (since I think my response is more topical here), sometimes it feels so good to me to rant and lecture about other people's personal lives, especially when I feel right and righteous----but that's NOT good in a healthy way, it's a good feeling like binging on tasty but unhealthy foods, or screaming at my ex.
when I start to do that online, it's a sign that I have excess energy and I should get offline and write, read, reach out and talk to IRL people......

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As it turns out she was appreciative and I shouldn't have said anything. But who can know?

posted January 29, 2017 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
I don't think it's possible to dislike you, Faith.

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They do, though. I mean the proof is all here. I guess I am shy about talking about myself and want to duck out of the conversation now...it's not about me.

posted January 29, 2017 05:10 PM            

But at the same time I feel I have to pay homage to the science of astrology. People come here wanting answers, they want their intuitions validated - because no one else in their life will give them validation. And when you can see it printed on the stars, there's relief. It wasn't just all in their heads. There's finally a source outside of themselves letting them know everything they've felt all along. I think there's a lot of empowerment in that, and I would HOPE that they would take that knowledge and heal - knowing the darker sides of their partner, knowing the weak parts on their own natal they need to work on, etc..

There are times when life is grim and it's so reassuring to know that's it just a long outer planet transit you're going through and you just have to see it out to this date and everything will be fine.. I wonder how many people have been saved at the thought of that future relief... you know?

posted January 29, 2017 07:30 PM            

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It is amazing how much you project your own intolerance toward others.

you do not tolerate me because you are a BULLY and PREACH telling me not to PREACH. that is your problem. you want to SILENT any person who is independent. But you need to born again to be able to achieve that with me. There is nobody in earth able to silent me. NOBODY!!!!!

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I agree with this.

posted January 29, 2017 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I approve of this message.

I agree with this.

She is very self righteous and preachy. She delivers the same sermons in thread after thread, object and her faithful followers goes on the attack.

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Of course you would call it an "attack" without bothering to try to see the point(s) being made.

posted January 29, 2017 07:36 PM            

you do not tolerate me because you are a BULLY and PREACH telling me not to PREACH. that is your problem. you want to SILENT any person who is independent. But you need to born again to be able to achieve that with me. There is nobody in earth able to silent me. NOBODY!!!!!

Well said, 100% correct and needs to be said lol

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posted January 29, 2017 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
She delivers the same sermons in thread after thread

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Links?

posted January 29, 2017 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Of course you would call it an "attack" without bothering to try to see the point(s) being made.

Btw, she was advocating against exactly that - being self-righteous & preachy. Another thing one would know if one bothered to read.

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I don't know when I preach.

When do I preach?

ETA: Nevermind, it really does not matter to me.

Nine, Ami, nordic, have a blast, saying whatever you want.

I hope nobody feels a need to defend me.