posted December 16, 2018 12:07 PM            

Saturn is complications, delays, external intervention, testing times etc. And requires a certain kind of maturity, patience and tenacity

So when Saturn is in the 5th or Cap is on the cusp of the 5th, these trials and tribulations come when it comes to kids.

One will have to have the emotional nature of maturity to overcome the setbacks that may come through the 5th house department.

Uranus too may be a contributory factor with regards to how the child comes about i.e the child comes in an unusual way. So this includes "external" intervention.

posted December 16, 2018 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I see Saturn in 5th as the most influential when it comes to things such as these.

Saturn is complications, delays, external intervention, testing times etc. And requires a certain kind of maturity, patience and tenacity

So when Saturn is in the 5th or Cap is on the cusp of the 5th, these trials and tribulations come when it comes to kids.

One will have to have the emotional nature of maturity to overcome the setbacks that may come through the 5th house department.

Uranus too may be a contributory factor with regards to how the child comes about i.e the child comes in an unusual way. So this includes "external" intervention.

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I've Uranus in 5th and it says I've to be careful of unwanted pregnancies. But so far, no... nothing of this sort.

posted December 16, 2018 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Eclipse:
What are the aspects and placements that indicate that a person can not have children? And what are the aspects and placements that indicate that a person will adopt children or do an artificial insemination?

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And by person here you mean woman.

No single planetary aspect in my view overrides a biological drive like this. However, there are various ways that anxiety, fear, insecurity can show with aspects to the Moon. How many times have we seen a woman trying and trying to get pregnant and the moment the couple adopts, she gets pregnant.

It is rarely about ability to conceive and more about the subtle feelings that affect the function of physiology. So those can show up or be suggested in certain conditions of the Moon.

As to adoption, that is Moon-Uranus, Uranus in 5th or in strong aspect to the 5th cusp (of a precisely accurate chart).

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posted December 16, 2018 04:33 PM            

On a different note, I've heard that the 5th house ruler in the 6th or 12th can cause pregnancy issues or health issues. I have that so I'm like...ugh. 5th house ruler in the 3rd can lead to someone giving birth to multiples, either multiple children at once (twins, triplets, etc) or just a bunch of children in general. Conjunctions to the 5th house ruler can also show some answers. The children might be adopted or "distant" if the 5th house ruler is in 9th or 11th. If in the 9th it could mean this person has children with multiple people or foreign people, which explains the "distant" nature of the children. In the 1st the children could be born the invasive means, like a c-section or through surrogacy. Or maybe they were born unexpectedly or in some oddly invasive place like in the back of a car. Something that is seen as more "unruly" about the birthing method. I think 7th house can also mean a surrogacy because of the connection of "interpersonal relationships"?

I'm not sure if this is true for many but I did see a few times that women whose 5th house ruler was in retrograde had children with issues related to that planet...Like mental retardation, if it was Mercury in retrograde. But I don't mean to scare you there, it was only a few people who I noticed had that. Could've been something else.

The child could be born sickly with the 5th house ruler in the 8th or 4th. My mom has that and I got pneumonia, bowl-legged, and got sick easy immediately after I was born but I did heal, all fine now

I have also noted Taurus and Scorpio women are often most fertile compared to others. Because Taurus is Venusian earth and Scorpio is Martian water, they kind of click somehow. 5th house ruler in their houses could also mean you are just very fertile so keep birth control near if you don't want a baby? lol

posted December 16, 2018 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Eclipse:
capricorncheriscty, I have the moon in an air sign, the moon it is positioned in the sign of gemini. Kannon McAfee, I have the moon in square with uranus, the square is 8 degrees. capricorncheriscty, the my 5th house it is positioned in virgo, and the ruler of virgo is mercury and mercury it is positioned in capricorn in the house 9. And jupiter is making an opposition to mercury (ruler of the 5th house) of 7 degrees. And I want to have adopted children (it was always my dream) and preferably an international adoption (it was always my dream) or to do an artificial insemination and be a single mother (it was always my dream).

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posted December 18, 2018 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Eclipse:

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Ruler of your 5th in 9 (foreign lands, internationality) could signify you wanting to adopt a child from another country Also Jupiter (traditional ruler of 9 and sag) opposite your mercury

What sign is on your 8th house cup (also house of procreation) ? And do you have planets in H4, H5 and H8? If so, which ones?

You should check out this thread about adoption and astrology: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240142.html

It also mentions that air signs (like Gemini moon) would be more attracted towards adopting than i.e. Scorpio or Taurus moon (who are big on procreating with their own genes).

Do you also have a heavy Uranus influence ? Maybe in H4. H5 or 8? Or Aquarius maybe on the cusps

Also. What is your sun sign ?

posted December 19, 2018 01:29 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:

I have also noted Taurus and Scorpio women are often most fertile compared to others. Because Taurus is Venusian earth and Scorpio is Martian water, they kind of click somehow. 5th house ruler in their houses could also mean you are just very fertile so keep birth control near if you don't want a baby? lol

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Dean McDermott (Scorp/Cap) has a gazillion kids with Tori Spelling(Tau/Sc). And so I found that interesting to mention.

Interestingly, Tori has Moon in 9th and 5th house cusp ruler(Mercury) I'm the 3rd conjunct her Sun.

I thought the Sun "burns" chances of having many kids. But I guess not.

But if we look at Venus in 4th(the Chaldean ruler of 5th), it would explain her love of the home life and kids.

posted December 19, 2018 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I see Saturn in 5th as the most influential when it comes to things such as these.

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Pretty bad news for me.
I have no child though I'm not married yet. I know it's an excuse.

Have Exalted Saturn Conjunct Eros in 5th H Libra.

posted December 19, 2018 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
As to adoption, that is Moon-Uranus, Uranus in 5th or in strong aspect to the 5th cusp (of a precisely accurate chart).

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posted December 19, 2018 03:16 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
From what I've seen Uranus and Saturn in the 5th can indeed cause pregnancy complications but thats a special scenario for these people, typically some heavy transits must be involved to cause that particular interpretation to occur. But they are more prone than others. Generally, what Uranus and Saturn in 5th means is that this person values their fun and freedom more and can avoid situations that ultimately restrict their fun and freedom, either forever or until later in life. And children can kind of restrict you so these people often have children later in life or none at all (either because they chose not to or because they can't physically). There is also the fear of unwanted pregnancies, they are not as accepting to those as others and can get abortions if they feel restricted.

On a different note, I've heard that the 5th house ruler in the 6th or 12th can cause pregnancy issues or health issues. I have that so I'm like...ugh. 5th house ruler in the 3rd can lead to someone giving birth to multiples, either multiple children at once (twins, triplets, etc) or just a bunch of children in general. Conjunctions to the 5th house ruler can also show some answers. The children might be adopted or "distant" if the 5th house ruler is in 9th or 11th. If in the 9th it could mean this person has children with multiple people or foreign people, which explains the "distant" nature of the children. In the 1st the children could be born the invasive means, like a c-section or through surrogacy. Or maybe they were born unexpectedly or in some oddly invasive place like in the back of a car. Something that is seen as more "unruly" about the birthing method. I think 7th house can also mean a surrogacy because of the connection of "interpersonal relationships"?

I'm not sure if this is true for many but I did see a few times that women whose 5th house ruler was in retrograde had children with issues related to that planet...Like mental retardation, if it was Mercury in retrograde. But I don't mean to scare you there, it was only a few people who I noticed had that. Could've been something else.

The child could be born sickly with the 5th house ruler in the 8th or 4th. My mom has that and I got pneumonia, bowl-legged, and got sick easy immediately after I was born but I did heal, all fine now

I have also noted Taurus and Scorpio women are often most fertile compared to others. Because Taurus is Venusian earth and Scorpio is Martian water, they kind of click somehow. 5th house ruler in their houses could also mean you are just very fertile so keep birth control near if you don't want a baby? lol

It is definitely a good idea to get a vedic reading of your chart for stuff like this though. They are scarily accurate with these things.

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My mom's 5th house ruler is in 8th. My younger sis was born sickly and died at 1yr old.

My friend's 5th house ruler is in 12th. She has had a few pregnancy complications and abortions. Very fertile. Taurus rising.

posted December 19, 2018 05:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Pretty bad news for me.
I have no child though I'm not married yet. I know it's an excuse.

Have Exalted Saturn Conjunct Eros in 5th H Libra.

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I think that Saturn just means that there is some complication and a lot more tenacity and single-mindedness to managing 5th house issues.

Saturn means that an older mature mentality will have to be adopted. Kinda like going to the gym; one must mantain discipline for the longest of time before results show.

I actually know of someone with Saturn in 5th with 3 kids.So them having kids was not complicated. But the baby daddy left. And now she is a single parent. And this was all before she turned 30.

So in her case,Saturn manifested as responsibilities (Saturn) related to children(5th).

posted December 19, 2018 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Hu_w_ryl_A:
Ruler of your 5th in 9 (foreign lands, internationality) could signify you wanting to adopt a child from another country Also Jupiter (traditional ruler of 9 and sag) opposite your mercury

What sign is on your 8th house cup (also house of procreation) ? And do you have planets in H4, H5 and H8? If so, which ones?

You should check out this thread about adoption and astrology: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240142.html

It also mentions that air signs (like Gemini moon) would be more attracted towards adopting than i.e. Scorpio or Taurus moon (who are big on procreating with their own genes).

Do you also have a heavy Uranus influence ? Maybe in H4. H5 or 8? Or Aquarius maybe on the cusps

Also. What is your sun sign ?

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posted December 19, 2018 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think that Saturn just means that there is some complication and a lot more tenacity and single-mindedness to managing 5th house issues.

Saturn means that an older mature mentality will have to be adopted. Kinda like going to the gym; one must mantain discipline for the longest of time before results show.

I actually know of someone with Saturn in 5th with 3 kids.So them having kids was not complicated. But the baby daddy left. And now she is a single parent. And this was all before she turned 30.

So in her case,Saturn manifested as responsibilities (Saturn) related to children(5th).

She got her tubes tied. Never wants kids ever again.

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posted December 20, 2018 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
Thank you!

May be I never wanted to take responsibilities ? Or may be Me and my mentality have not matured yet ?
I'm already 36+ and that's why I'm worried.

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If you really do want children, you are going to have to take matters into your own hands and act. Not wait around for things to change.

Saturn rules Cap and Cap is exalted in Mars(ruling Aries). So Saturn when on overdrive, can take on the more action oriented nature of Mars(but typically with a lot more planning and forethought).

Visit a fertility clinic, see what your options are etc. Get busy and get moving. You may have to do the process all on your own I.e getting a sperm donor etc.

There is a movie called "The backup plan" with Jennifer Lopez. And I suspect that her character there had Mars/Saturn/Uranus in 5th in that she took matters into her own hands when it comes to having babies.