posted March 14, 2019 06:09 AM            

I have to admit that I used to think that if someone was critical about my behavior, I would see it as a personal attack and it would feel like they didn't like/love me.
And what I do when I feel attacked is going in my shell (Moon in Cancer opposite Saturn), creating emotional distance and acting cold or neutral.

Well, that's what I used to do. Because I try to be a better, balanced person I pushed myself to use a different method. Do I go back in my shell when feeling attacked? Yes, I still do that BUT I give myself time now to process it and see the situation from an objective perspective. Most of the time, my anger and coldness goes away against that person and I can interact again. ALSO I discuss things I didn't like. Like for example, the way the other person acted or how they said stuff etc etc. I now tell people how they made me feel and what I would prefer seeing/hearing. My reaction now is more balanced, but still not perfect

posted March 14, 2019 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
It really depends on if the taureans you have been with are born when pluto was in scorpio opposite their sun (and maybe mercury) or not.

Being taurus sun (albeit female) I feel and act a lot more as a scorpio sun, pluto has very strong effect on my sun and mercury and venus-jupiter 8th house etc etc. I'm taurus sun but I'm very plutonic.

Also it depends on if they have fire venus-moon-mars, becuase taurus can be really such lazy people, lazy with everything, like expressing their emotions and moving out of a relationship etc. Taurus I connect with Bacchus, super lazy, just wanna sit back and be fed grapes and can't stand any discomfort.

Having fire in the chart makes a taurus dynamic, brave with speaking their emotions and wants etc.

One other thing about taurus vs scorpio(pluto) is, taurus is strong willed about not wanna change. While scorpio (pluto) uses their strong will to infact, change and transform things.

The house the sun is in is important too of course, mine is in a fire house. I have mars-moon and I have aries stellium. The only taurus charecteristics one can see in me is: Being dependable, love chocolate, love being in the nature and animals, love comfy surroundings, like my comfy bed with perfect beddings etc.
Thank god I have virgo, saturn and lots of fire and air or I would never gym and go out running and train hard to have a good body.

Also the taurus sun persons moon (emotions) and its aspects shows a lot about how they process feelings and acts them out etc

I'm really surpriced you are resting so much of your case here on sun taurus alone Its not like you aries23

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True Melinn.I usually don't.Its just that I often go back to basics to look at what I may have missed.

I know his chart inside out but I couldn't quite reconcile what happened between us squarely on Venus/Uranus.

The reason being that Libras I have dated also feature this Venus/Uranus sextile/square/conjunction.And their responses differ.

One Lib had Pluto-Sun conjunction.Obsessive?Yes.But even with this being the case, his Libra nature comes through very strongly i.e plays devil's advocate, likes to debate, beauty conscious, romantic etc

Now the Taurus spoken of had Mercury opposition Pluto. Engaging?Not really.Calm and collected?No. His Sun in 12th house obscured him a little more.I could never really "grasp" him.Nor do i believe that he knew what he wanted.

So I decided to go back and focus on similarities and differences between Taurus and Libra as energies etc. Perhaps remind myself of something forgotten.

posted March 14, 2019 06:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Bearee:
I'm a Taurus Sun, Libra rising, so I have both these energies.

I have to admit that I used to think that if someone was critical about my behavior, I would see it as a personal attack and it would feel like they didn't like/love me.
And what I do when I feel attacked is going in my shell (Moon in Cancer opposite Saturn), creating emotional distance and acting cold or neutral.

Well, that's what I used to do. Because I try to be a better, balanced person I pushed myself to use a different method. Do I go back in my shell when feeling attacked? Yes, I still do that BUT I give myself time now to process it and see the situation from an objective perspective. Most of the time, my anger and coldness goes away against that person and I can interact again. ALSO I discuss things I didn't like. Like for example, the way the other person acted or how they said stuff etc etc. I now tell people how they made me feel and what I would prefer seeing/hearing. My reaction now is more balanced, but still not perfect

I find it odd that your Taurus exes were weak willed, because as a Taurus, I don't identify with that at all. In fact, it's always ME that holds on to people and relationships even though the other person acts distant and less interested. I always want to work/talk things out. The other party always kinda wants to disappear away. (Is this the Libra in me?) I don't know which part of me belongs to which sign.

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Your response was very Libra lol. Very Libra indeed.

Well the last part about you being the one who wants to mend fences I thought that that was a Taurus trait I expected from them.

I got more "fight" for the relationship to continue from Libra. Not Taurus. So I began to second guess what I thought about Taurus energy on the whole.

posted March 14, 2019 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thank you for this. I revovered well btw. Its been years.

I was doing a retrospective feedback on my relationships(it could be Pluto reacting with my Moon by opposition or square my Mars in 7th) i.e what pattern seems to come through with the people I attract in close relationships etc.

What seemee to be prevalent was the generous halpin of Libra/Taurus guys. Given, I do have Venus in the 7th AND ruling the 7th .So there it is.

So I wanted to really understand tge differences in these two and hear from people what they think they are etc.

It just perplexed me that every Taurus I have been with behaved in a manner more akin to the instability demonstrated by Uranus(even Mars or Pluto) than Venus.

And Libra was more in keeping with Venus. In that they would do all they can(sometimes annoyingly so) to please others etc.

So I wondered where I am picking these Taurus people from? Lol. And as I speak to you all now, there is a Taurus Sun who has expressed interest in me.And guess what? His birthday is 2 days from the Taurus spoken about i.e same year,same age. Just days apart.

He has Venus/Uranus in tight opposition too. Very easy on the eyes and strongly religious. So I wonder and not to aspect stereotype etc. but do I really want this experience all over again?

The problems were likely there before the cut off. True. But I don't think I saw them as insurmountable. So I was hoping that we'd see things through. But alas....

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Yeah I think this is where the Taurus stubbornness is prevalent. Once they decide on something there's no going back. So perhaps what it seemed on the surface as fixable was to him way past due.

But yeah totally go for that other Taurus. If you dig him, let it flow. He probably has a different Moon sign which wouldn't feel as similar to the og lol. (Moon signs can feel so similar it's crazy. My ex of 6 years had a Leo Moon. I kinda learnt all of how to deal with that energy lol. Came across this other guy with a Leo Moon. Although he's nothing like my ex, his core self feels so familiar to me. But they're nothing alike. But still I can't not feel that similarity there.)

And really it's supposed to feel natural. If you feel that you have to act a certain way to please him, it's not worth it. Feeling insecure about whether or not you're giving someone enough space is very stressful. It shouldn't feel that calculating. You should feel mutual interest. And if not, be the first to cut it lol. You'll build some muscle 😆. It'll feel great.

posted March 14, 2019 07:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
We are both guys btw lol.

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Oh, ok. ROFL! Then you should understand what a man thinks!

"sitting away from me, not talking to me, casually waving goodbye when I left etc"

This is EXACTLY like my Virgo Sun/Libra Moon guy! Mine would act all cold but would accuse me of being too friendly with other men. It used to really upset me but when I qn him, he denied it. I also never knew how close or far he wanted me to be. He has Venus contra-parallel Uranus but also Venus conjunct Saturn.

It's really a challenge arguing with a fixed sign, I tell ya, as I grew up with them (lol). I would tell my Virgo guy something that upsets me... he would try to argue & present his PoV but my response would usually be "I just don't like it.". That typically ends all possible negotiation.

While you don't get hysterical (and you don't seem like that kinda person), you're assertive and like you said, you may have come across harsh(?) and the Aqua guy did say you're "feisty", didn't he? So my guess is they may not know how to handle all those fiery conversations.

posted March 14, 2019 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Yeah I think this is where the Taurus stubbornness is prevalent. Once they decide on something there's no going back. So perhaps what it seemed on the surface as fixable was to him way past due.

But yeah totally go for that other Taurus. If you dig him, let it flow. He probably has a different Moon sign which wouldn't feel as similar to the og lol. (Moon signs can feel so similar it's crazy. My ex of 6 years had a Leo Moon. I kinda learnt all of how to deal with that energy lol. Came across this other guy with a Leo Moon. Although he's nothing like my ex, his core self feels so familiar to me. But they're nothing alike. But still I can't not feel that similarity there.)

And really it's supposed to feel natural. If you feel that you have to act a certain way to please him, it's not worth it. Feeling insecure about whether or not you're giving someone enough space is very stressful. It shouldn't feel that calculating. You should feel mutual interest. And if not, be the first to cut it lol. You'll build some muscle 😆. It'll feel great.

But certainly don't pass up the opportunity. It can be the start to something great. Or not. But you can't know up until you try it.

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Indeed. Indeed. You are so right. Don't let love pass you by. True.

posted March 14, 2019 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Oh, ok. ROFL! Then you should understand what a man thinks!

[b]"sitting away from me, not talking to me, casually waving goodbye when I left etc"

This is EXACTLY like my Virgo Sun/Libra Moon guy! Mine would act all cold but would accuse me of being too friendly with other men. It used to really upset me but when I qn him, he denied it. I also never knew how close or far he wanted me to be. He has Venus contra-parallel Uranus but also Venus conjunct Saturn.

It's really a challenge arguing with a fixed sign, I tell ya, as I grew up with them (lol). I would tell my Virgo guy something that upsets me... he would try to argue & present his PoV but my response would usually be "I just don't like it.". That typically ends all possible negotiation.

While you don't get hysterical (and you don't seem like that kinda person), you're assertive and like you said, you may have come across harsh(?) and the Aqua guy did say you're "feisty", didn't he? So my guess is they may not know how to handle all those fiery conversations.

Btw, IYO, Is Pluto-Sun more obsessive or Pluto-Moon?[/B]

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A friend of mine dated a Sun in Taurus/Libra Moon. And his complaint was always that he was never sure where he stood with the Libra Moon.

There Libra Moon would behave so distant with him when friends were around. And even when they were not around(friends), he(my friend) felt that the Libra Moon was always lookinh from the outside in.

Air Moons are cerebral in approach to relationships (barring other aspects to mitigate that). And as much as that can be beneficial in some bottleneck situations etc. it can also be disheartening when the partner wants a warmer and supportive response.

I recall that whenever I relay a story to my Libra Sun/Moon friend, his first question is always "but what did.you do to make the person act this way?" etc.

To many people(and to me initially) it sounds like blame. Like I am responsible for what I got etc. But it could also be how the Libra natives mind works i.e every reaction is caused by an action etc. And to them, the action is important(not so much the respective reaction).

I also find myself doing this(Moon in 3rd bouse of Gemini) where I will ask the person concerned if they have considered the other person's perspective etc.

In as far as your question is concerned, I would say both are are prone to obsessiveness(as Pluto is in contact with both)

But what I find interesting is how the obsessiveness could be concealed when in the 12th house or having Neptune involved in the mix.

If Pluto for instance happens in the 7th or conjunct the Dsc etc. the native may project the energy on to others and not see the qualities spoken of in themselves (especiallywhen Pluto is in Libra)

So Pluto-Moon would suggest a nurturing environment (home) that was invasive or one where the individual was not allowed(could.not have) their own thoughts.

The environment at home was the type where Mom went in her room and went through their stuff. Or Dad held strong opinions that none waa allowed to openly disagree wjth.

All this is especially true when Moon is ruling the 4th house or when Moon is in the 4th house

Sun-Pluto suggests an individual whose dating life ends / culminates in much emotional drama. Or the individual becomes very involved in their dating life and may attract people with very strong(almost overbearing) personalities.

posted March 14, 2019 08:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Indeed. Indeed. You are so right. Don't let love pass you by. True.

I re-read the post I made earlier. The spelling mistakes????...My goodness!! Sorry about that. I was at the gym when posting.

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posted March 14, 2019 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Libra however is ime surprisingly calmer.Well atleast the ones I dated were always the first to remind me to "calm down" by verbalizing what they felt.It helped tremendously to clarify what was hurting.

I remember fighting with a Libra and storming off. He sent a text message afterwards that I found comforting : "We'll work this out.I love you". And the message alone was enough to quell our misunderstanding.

And he was also not the type to threaten a break-up when things got tough nor be paralyzed by problems within the relationship. Infact, many of them seemed to like arguinh or at least getting to the heart of an issue.

But with the Taurus, there was a lot of impassivity. You could say that it was perhaps their way of dealing with the strife? However, it didn't bring them closer to understanding my perspective nor did it feel like they ever wanted to. It was enough for them to just buiry their head in the sand and hope that it all goes away.

What do you guys think is the difference between Libra and Taurus energy? Is it perhaps the 'fixed' energy that makes Taurus less flexible?

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posted March 14, 2019 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
Hahaha no p 💪 building muscle 😆

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Yasss!!!! Keeping myself looking as sexy as f*** is the best revenge I say

Warning:This will sound vain .But I felt a little good when he saw me and his jaw dropped Priceless lol.

posted March 14, 2019 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I feel the same.Lol.Exactly the same. And the Aqua Sun /Virgo Asc does not get that. He says I am "feisty" and the one time we discussed Jussie Smollet, he iced me out at the end. Silent treatment...

I admit I do do the silent treatment when mad. So I don't mind that so much. As I can apologize when wrong
But I forget about it and move on.

The Aqua doesn't. And come to think of it, the Taurus exes didn't either. I had to grovel to get them to get over an upset. Sigh!!

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lol that kind of thing starts to get me mad, people not getting over things that aren't a big deal

but i don't think my leo mercury can handle the silent treatment is what it is, and i don't do it because i prefer to just get things out

my fiancee will do that sort of thing and it drives me crazy she'll tell me it's because it's easier to let me tire myself out than argue, she lets go of most things though

posted March 14, 2019 10:08 AM            

I laughed a lot whilst reading through that.

I have had so many similar experiences with Libra where they know they want to be with me. But I have to "convince" them that they do.

Not to sound arrogant but I practically seduced the first Libra I dated.Then I initiated the first kiss with the other 3 But the last one was the one who approched me. But he still got passive within the relationship.

With Libra, its all about the finesse of the chase. Libra Moon writer Jane Austen with Saturn also in Libra describes the ideal Libra romance very well in "Pride and Prejudice"

If you come on too strong. They back away. Its annoying for my more impatient nature and so my method of delivery is quite brusque. But it doesn't stop the attraction.

I also dislike how they can switch from sensitive to cerebral.Used to drive me nuts and I would count to 10 when I felt my lava build-up. lol.

posted March 14, 2019 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Morrigan:
I agree with your assessment. Libra is much more willing to engage and really become a real couple, a team, and that takes work. Libra & Scorpio - the interpersonal signs, engage with their partners the most. Taurus is a personal sign, they're in their corner. They want to stay there, and you can accompany them - or not. They won't bend to understand your perspective. At least in my experience.

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Hallelujah!!!! I got a witness up in here. Yasss

I like what you said about Taurus being in their corner and not bending to anyone else's perspective. That was my experience too.

I really tried harder with Taurus folks.More than I did with Libra. And that's because I felt that I wanted for them to understand that I am more a jovial joker than anything else. Despite my philosophical side.

posted March 14, 2019 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
lol that kind of thing starts to get me mad, people not getting over things that aren't a big deal.

But I don't think my leo mercury can handle the silent treatment is what it is, and I don't do it because I prefer to just get things out

my fiancee will do that sort of thing and it drives me crazy she'll tell me it's because it's easier to let me tire myself out than argue, she lets go of most things though

aside from her deep unspoken grudges where i get yelled at for things i did when i was 15, perks of dating a childhood friend with a lot of scorpio

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That's sweet lol. You have someone who understands you. That's important.

Silent treatment is aggression passified. The idea behind it is to send signals that you are unhappy. And the other person must "feel" the extent of your unhappiness.Not through words. But through non-words.

Water signs resort to it. My Cancer Moon resorts to it. And add to that Venus-Saturn conjunct in Scorpio. I used to give my parents silent treatment when unhappy. Sometimes it felt so painful to enunciate anything.

posted March 14, 2019 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by ballerina:
All the taurus family members I have, are the life of the Party!

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Would love to party with those types.

The ones I met fall into the following categories

Money
Sex
Food

posted March 14, 2019 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
As a reply to this post and the one before abouut your libra venus, in short:
Dumuzi but you have a Leo mercury, of course you will speak your mind, as your mind is always correct, bc, Leo . And you have moon in aries opposite your venus and square Mars, of course you hate grudge holding and sulking and silent treatments. You speak your mind and emotions, you balance things out with the other, then you move on^^.

Also your venus in asc acts more like an aries venus, not your typical libra venus

Before looking like a creep, the reason I know your chart well, is because you are chart twins with my guy friend I have/had feelings for. I almost choked when I saw your chart you had posted in january.

Well he is born just one day before you at 19.56. Also he has 3 signs intercepting his 1th and 7th houses, yes I know you dislike placidus but my experience with the charts of close ones and other friends born in scandinavia shows that placidus is the one that makes really sense

Even though he then has a Leo sun (should make him more firy) and mercury is square his pluto, you guys are nothing alike! I mean, just by different asc and house placements one can be so different, its mind blowing lol.

The way I see you is that you are, very very open with speaking your mind and you seem bossy like a leo and something plutonic too about you dunno why.

He on the otherhand is super agreeble (sun,mercury and venus in 7th), and when he speaks his mind its in a very... ok I don't have words for how he expresses himself... But yes he sure is a "iron fist in a velvet glove". He is though so inflexible, like he will never accept something one says, he will act all polite and not argue with one but he will never agree! Its horrible hard to suggest things to him, for ex I pointed out something important that he has to correct about his training and he will listen but he will be like a wall and never take ones suggestion ever to heart. It is infuriating and has really made me recent this about him. I hate how he seems al so libra charm but its all fake and he is an insuffrably rigid person on the inside (yeah I'm so mad at him haha)

Also he will like never say no to ones face about something, instead he will use a fading away tactic, very indirect etc I HATE IT! Just say things upfront on ones face! Ugh!

But he can be all fired up and his aries moons square mars peaks out and makes him very firy and passionate in rare occasions.

Oh also he is not a substance abuser, he won't even take supplements even though he is a gymmer, nor pain killer. He don't drink either, he hates drugs and alcohol lol

BUT I think your sun-saturn and his sun-saturn acts out the same! Of what I read before about what you wrote about your sun-saturn.. I really wish I could ask you more about your sun-saturn in the near future :blush:

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to be fair i only think i'm right 98% of the time

youre right about the other **** though yeah, i prefer to just move on and keep going; grudges and the silent treatment just end up ******* me off all over again

it wouldn't have creeped me out lol, i actually wouldn't have thought anything of it because i didnt til you said it

i appreciate you giving my observational skills more credit than they deserve though

my preferences don't have to reflect yours, but by your logic me coming off as plutonic to you makes sense since placidus puts pluto in my 1st house along with the sextile to my sun

ascendant and houses can make huge differences though yeah, i knew a guy who was born a day before my fiancee and just the slight changes to the chart made huge differences

similarities there of course, but the differences were really pronounced

i'm actually not particularly bossy, i have no desire to be in control of anything i just also don't like it when someone else tries to tell me what to do, and i wont do something i disagree with or don't want to do

but i also don't bother telling other people what to do is the flipside of that, prefer to live and let live

most people irl tell me i'm the most laid back person they've ever met, because chances are unless i'm close or something matters to me i don't care enough to make an issue out of anything and i can and will bite my tongue if i'm around people who matter to someone else i care about

if it's just my **** on the line though i'll say whatever no ***** given if i care, but usually i don't

most things are unimportant to me because in the bigger picture most things aren't worthwhile

i'll argue though, and i won't agree

even if i know i'm wrong sometimes i'll just stick to what i said initially and keep going just to win and then later on i'll say i did change my mind

i just like to get a full idea of why someone has their opinions and whether or not i can respect them and find them logical

i rarely change my mind, but if someone can make me i have a lot of respect for them

it's what i like about my fiancee, she's one of the few people whose thinking processes i really respect who can change my mind on things and make me see things in new ways

i imagine the square of mercury to pluto is what makes him more private and a lot less likely to say something

i can deal with criticism, but only if i agree with it if i don't agree with a criticism i'm not going to take it to heart

guess the gym is his poison of choice, i used to be into exercise but i was more the going outside and hiking for hours checking out things in the woods type

i still do that when i have a good day healthwise but it used to be daily, and in all honesty i usually ended up finding somewhat remote places to get high in lol

posted March 14, 2019 10:55 AM            

..not good!

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Originally posted by Melinn:
becuase taurus can be really such lazy people, lazy with everything, like expressing their emotions and moving out of a relationship etc. Taurus I connect with Bacchus, super lazy, just wanna sit back and be fed grapes and can't stand any discomfort.

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posted March 14, 2019 02:25 PM            

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ok that made me laugh. I actually call my Taurus boyfriend Bacchus sometimes because of his lazy and indulging behaviour. He can be so persistently lazy it's incredible. He lays in bed, half naked, and just opens his mouth as a sign to be fed. It makes me laugh but I then tell him to move his a s s and get it himself.

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so about 8 years ago i answered what i was told was a calling dream regarding dionysus dionysus (my ex told me what it was and how to answer it and i was drunk so i wanted to see what would happen, went through a lot of weird **** before and since then so it seemed like a good idea) since then i've studied/practiced the occult pretty deeply and i gotta say the view of dionysus/bacchus people have isn't really close to the actual mythology at all and he's a misrepresented god in a lot of aspects

posted March 14, 2019 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
I am familiar with both energies: Taurus and Libra due to being with a Taurus and having Libra friends and family members and I don't think you can even compare the 2 energies. Taurus is much much more dependable and stable but also stubborn and I don't find Libra to be stubborn. they are very agreeable and they rather won't say what bothers them if that means they are "disturbing" the peace. They are not that great with confrontation. They tend to beat around the bush which can be a bit annoying. Im talking about the pure energy here, I know people have many other energies in their charts that influence them.

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Before my experiences with Taurus, I read much of what you said i.e Taurus being stable and Libra being a people pleaser etc.

Though much of what you said of Libra I can support. My experience with Taurus so far has been the reverse i.e not stable, erratic, insecure etc.

Ofcourse aspects in the individual chart do count. So perhaps the Taurus guys I bump into are an exception to the rule?

I find with Libra I fare better(despite the dithering). It could be because of my Sun/Asc being in masculine signs. But I touch base with many.