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posted April 01, 2019 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How are you feeling now about your ex?
Can you feel that you are able to kill your emotions? Its a process.. I imagine you have days when it feels like you have processed it and you are done and good. And days when nice things about him hits you and you are back at square one?

I hope it will get easier with time! In thise cases, 0 contact is the best way to move on... smallest little contact may upset one later..

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posted April 02, 2019 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:
How are you feeling now about your ex?
Can you feel that you are able to kill your emotions? Its a process.. I imagine you have days when it feels like you have processed it and you are done and good. And days when nice things about him hits you and you are back at square one?

I hope it will get easier with time! In thise cases, 0 contact is the best way to move on... smallest little contact may upset one later..


Ah.... you've described exactly how I feel. At times I feel ok... confident that I can move on... at other times I miss him like crazy. 😩 What's worse, his name pops up everywhere - on TV... in the book I'm reading... on a brand... the guys I meet... on someone's t-shirt! 😰 It's like the universe won't let me forget him.

We still see each other at the same hangout. And why am I still going there? Because my friends go there. I tried not going there for a month... I felt better and thought I was over him, but when we saw each other again feelings came rushing back. He also looked thrilled to see me. I've asked if he can stop going there so we can get over each other, he refused.

Actually I dreamt of him before we met. I don't know how much you believe in dreams but in it we were on a hill top under a pavilion and he was standing closely next to me. I couldn't see his face but I felt love from him and he had a protective presence. When I woke up a name popped into my head almost like a voice.

I'm not saying I fell in love with him because of that dream... no... I actually forgot about the dream. It was some time after I met him that I suddenly remembered the dream as he had the same protective presence and the same name. I sometimes have intuitive dreams but nothing as amazing as this.

I tried to cast a horary for us but the Asc was in early degree which I understand that it's unreadable. Sigh.. Do you know anything about horary?

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posted April 02, 2019 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But wonderful Todd interpreted our composite aspects atleast and I think he was right. He also focuses on the transit n.node in his readings and he was right..

I'm curious what he said. I've also been thinking about Nodes as transit NN is currently passing through our composite Venus/Sun/Mercury and sextile Dsc ruler. I wonder what it will bring?

I didn't go in-depth into your synastry but you have some attractive stuff there: planets on IC, Jupiter on Dsc, Venus-Moon-NN-Jupiter conjunction, r/s house overlays, angles conjunct... but it seems that you're not really activating his 7H other than a trine to your Uranus? And there's no Asc-Dsc rulers aspects either way. Perhaps due to this, it didn't turn into a real relationship despite the other nice aspects.

You almost have a love stellium in your composite! And that's why this intense bond... I believe there's definitely true liking here. Unfortunately you also have 2 t-squares with Mars and I think that's what caused your disputes. And that heavy 7H is quite challenging. Moon in 12H also shows difficulties in expressing emotions even though the trine to Venus shows loving, pleasant feelings.

I'm sorry this didn't progress to what you hoped but IMO it's better to walk away now then later when you're too deeply involved, although you might always wonder about the "what ifs".

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posted April 07, 2019 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I don't know why he isn't contacting you but you said he's back with his ex so maybe that's why? Maybe he doesn't wanna complicate things? He knows how you feel about him, right? You both may not have said things to each other but some things don't have to be said. You just know.

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posted April 07, 2019 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

He just knows I care for him.. but anyways, sorry for bothering you with my stuff

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posted April 07, 2019 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:

He just knows I care for him.. but anyways, sorry for bothering you with my stuff


I think it's helpful you get it off your chest. Hope you feel better soon and also hope you guys will reconnect soon. Thanks for reading my shi**y stuff too. haha..

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posted April 09, 2019 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish i had advice.
My moon/pluto relationship started 10 yrs Ago
Back and fourth for years, its been 2yrs since we
Called it quits
However
We still talk Everyday! Still needs to be some sort
Of contact/connection to each other. Cant go a day
With out talking. Its worse of we dont talk, its just painful. So talking somehow fills that need of each other.
Not the best solution, but it works for us, somewhat, not really! Euhhh

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posted April 10, 2019 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Its worse of we dont talk, its just painful.

I get that. When we ignored each other like complete strangers, it was so painful.

We still hang out at the same place... somewhere in my heart I still wish to see him and talk to him... not sure if that's the reason why he's also still going there. Anyway, it's difficult to completely call it quits when we're still meeting. Sometimes I told myself I don't care anymore, but I see him again and I realised that I still care.

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posted April 10, 2019 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I think it's helpful you get it off your chest. Hope you feel better soon and also hope you guys will reconnect soon. Thanks for reading my shi**y stuff too. haha..

No not at all! I wouldn't call your stuff sh**ty <3

I don't know you of course but I sense that you are a very strong person and very loving and also you know your selfworth.

I believe you will get pass this and time really does help with that!

I'm sorry for my cheesyness, its hard to express myself in text only...

I was ment to reply to your small queastions in your previous post but my compulsive writing took over and then I had to take a break...

About dreams well I science about uncouncious descibes that its just our unconscious way of processing thing. Espeaciallyif you dream about him during your Rem sleep. Unless its not something super extraordinary dreamwise I just believe its our unconcious. BUT I absolutely have experienced and still experience telpathy with close family members! And I would believe you guys would share telepathic connection too.. and that may sip into our dreams etc if thats what you were refering to?

With my crush I have had telepathy but I don't know if he can sense me anymore, it depends on if the other person is still "open" to you and your connection, I guess...


Ah, yes the name popping up everywhere lol, yes happens to me aswell... But its not a very unusual name in my case so I think one reacts more bc its someone important to one, I don't believe in universe stuff, just god^^

About horary, yes I have used it before, I know the basics and I hae read many horary questions and readings done to them in other forums just to understand how it works etc...

And for me, it does not feel right, because I don't like using astrology as a tool for "predictions" etc. I prefer using astrology only to gain psychologic insights and personality traits etc. Transits is as far I would go when it comes to "predictions".

I don't remember which but either Randall or Kannon did reply to me about horary ones, and I remeber it was along the lines of, a horary may be just showing "opportunity" or what to call it. Like is this a good time for me to call this or that person etc. Like reading the "energies", its essentially reading the transits for that day and the planetary energies.

But trying to predict other types of stuff, like a persons mind about you. "Does he love me?". Or "will we see each other?", stuff like that imo opinion is not what astrology is for. How could a chart with that days transits show me what this or that person "feels" about me? I don't know, I'm not comfy using it for that. Like its an 8 ball.
I believe god is the only all knowing one and trying to use horary for stuff like that feels wrong to me.. buts its just my opinion!

Maybe there are people who are super experienced and experts with this and I note that I don't say people using horary is wrong etc!

Man I dragged this out.. I was just gonna answer a simple question lol sorry!

About you going to hang outs where he also hangs out (and btw also him refusing to be conciderate and stop makaing things harder for you is such a bad behaviour by him!)

My question is, why does your friends hang out there if they know that means you will bump into him? I guess they are not close friends and just party friends? Because its very inconciderate of them aswell or em I wrong?

I'm sending you positive energies and hugs! I really wish you will meet a better man soon and will be able to move on from your ex fast!

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posted April 10, 2019 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ You mean like because I've been thinking of him so he appeared in my dream? No, not that. I didn't even know him when I had that dream. That guy in my dream had a name and it was his.. and their energies feel the same. Granted he has a common name but what are the odds of matching it in real life and it happens to be someone you love?

Also talking about telepathic dreams, I did have one about him which I later found out to be true (this is after we met). Actually I had similar experiences with my exs as well even after we broke off. Anyway it's not important... and I know some people don't believe in dreams/6th sense etc.

Regarding Horary... I've only recently read up on it and I would say I'm still on the fence especially when I see all sorts of random interpretations. Some seemed to base their interpretations on the querent's background stories which is like picking on the obvious, so I guess I'll explore it some more and if I'm still not convinced, I'll drop it... and like you said, God is the only all-knowing. I agree with that.

As for transits, people tell me they experienced different things with the same transit so the same Pluto transit may shake your life but do nothing to me. An astrologer said it's very much to do with one's natal, so I've decided not to scare myself silly or get my hopes up with transits. 😛 I believe God will take me through anything and everything.

We both refused to stop going to the same hangout so I can't entirely blame him. I've always assumed I'm the only one hurting but I'm sure it affects him too. Can't blame my friends as well because we've been hanging out at that place for years. It's like 2nd home to us so I can't exactly tell them to uproot because of me. We also have acquaintances there who of course don't know about us (I'm quite a private person...I don't tell the whole world about my personal life).

I've tried to know new guys but somehow they would vanish before we could even properly start (lol)... strange. I hope it gets better...

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posted April 12, 2019 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wanna say something about Horary... I've read a lot of interpretations in other forums and I noticed that a lot of charts look the same with the same significators, signs and placements... I'm starting to feel doubtful about this. hmm...

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posted April 15, 2019 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm yes I understand what you mean by dreams where you have foreseen things. I have friends who has this ability and even my mom sometimes (moon in 12th in gemini). I have had this aswell a few times! So yes I get what you mean and its so interesting you saw him beforehand!

Yes may god keep us strong! Transits due affect people differently and, sometimes people forget its not the planet thats causing it (or they do believe that the planet does distrupt their lives?)


I see, so that place is special for all of you! Ok I was worried your friends were inconsiderate but now I understand! I hope atleast he will stop coming there too often :/

I'm sure he is in pain aswell! He just won't show it or tell you I guess.. maybe an ego thing? Or he just is bad at describing his feelings?


Yes horary, sometimes it feels too perfect to be true lol! I have seen pretty interesting readings though, but it seems like its as it is with transits, the outcome may be negative OR positive! So what? Its just a transits reading in the end, imo so far :/

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posted April 15, 2019 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes may god keep us strong! Transits due affect people differently and, sometimes people forget its not the planet thats causing it (or they do believe that the planet does distrupt their lives?)

I think the planetary transits produce certain energies but they affect people differently. So the astrologer I mentioned said that e.g. a Pluto transit may cause a Plutonian's feelings to intensify (and how they make use of this effect is up to free will) but to someone who has mild Pluto, they may not feel anything at all. Which makes sense.

I was previously so stressed over my Neptune transit because all the interpretations said there'll be disillusionment and even false lovers... whoever I meet during this looooong Neptune transit will be wrong! 😫 But being a strong Neptunian, issues of idealism/disillusionment have always been a theme anyway! Then I saw an astrologer gave a different interpretation - that this transit may in fact remove the Neptunian veil and help me see things more clearly. And that's a good thing for me!


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I'm sure he is in pain aswell! He just won't show it or tell you I guess.. maybe an ego thing? Or he just is bad at describing his feelings?

I think it's generally a man's thing that they don't talk about their feelings much... When I'm vulnerable with my feelings, he'll be very gentle and soft, but if I'm hard on him, he'll clam up in his shell (Cancer Mars).


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Yes horary, sometimes it feels too perfect to be true lol! I have seen pretty interesting readings though, but it seems like its as it is with transits, the outcome may be negative OR positive! So what? Its just a transits reading in the end, imo so far :/

Perfect? I've seen mostly negative readings! LOL. Horaries are meant to give absolute answers but I've seen people gave replies unrelated to the question. I saw some good interpretations online though. It'll be good for the querent to give feedback so people know how accurate these readings are.

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posted April 17, 2019 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you simply have to learn the lessons from Pluto and transmute it

No other way out lol

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
In Synastry, we have:
My Pluto conjunct his Moon
His Pluto trine my Venus
My Pluto semisquare his Venus
My Pluto square his Mars
His Pluto quincunx my Mars

His Saturn trine my Moon
My Saturn square his Moon
My Saturn conjunct his Asc
His Saturn conjunct my IC
His Saturn square my Mercury
My Saturn conjunct his Mars


In composite/Davison, we have:
Pluto square Sun/Venus/Mercury
Saturn square Mars (only in composite)


Are we fooked?


I knew pluto/moon was in play here lol....i've had this 0 degrees my last 2 relationships. the first guy i was the moon, and i literally had 2 breakdowns to transform!

The second one, i was pluto, and it was easier for me to see the lessons and i made the decision to NOT BE BINDED with him! so it was easier for me to walk away.

it's all about awareness really to not get stuck in the wheels of karma!

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posted April 17, 2019 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
I knew pluto/moon was in play here lol....i've had this 0 degrees my last 2 relationships. the first guy i was the moon, and i literally had 2 breakdowns to transform!

The second one, i was pluto, and it was easier for me to see the lessons and i made the decision to NOT BE BINDED with him! so it was easier for me to walk away.

it's all about awareness really to not get stuck in the wheels of karma!


Can you tell me your experience and how you felt as the Moon person?

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I most have been tired and wrote "perfect" when I ment "to good to be true"!

The interpretations I have seen that seemed so cool were of course also those where the asker would come back for an update.

About transit energies, I have never heard about the concept of a for ex plutonian or neptunian etc being more affected by a harsh pluto transit etc, like never.

What I have read so far is the oppsite, how a plutonian already is used to the pluto energy so it would not be too harsh on that person. Whereas a non-plutonian would be much more affected and have a hard time with the pluto energy etc.

This is the concept or the way people describe synastry charts aswell. How for ex someone with pluto conjunct moon would not get too rattled with someones pluto conjunct their moon in synastry etc, and I find this being the case in my experiences.

Being more affected by a transit when you already are used to that energy, does not sound right to me so I would never listen to that type of astrologers

I have transit neptune conjunct my dsc right now. I have started to face my fears lately thise last months and I see things clearer about my fears and illusions. So thats what tr Neptune symbolizes for me.

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posted April 17, 2019 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Being more affected by a transit when you already are used to that energy, does not sound right to me so I would never listen to that type of astrologers

This astrologer said the transit triggers the energies in them.
I'm Neptunian and people also said the Neptune transit will make me more disillusioned so it's better for me to stay away from r/s (until 2024!) because I've Venus opp Neptune in natal and this transit will create a thicker fog for me. 🙄 Well, of course, I'm not gonna do that. LOL

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This is the concept or the way people describe synastry charts aswell. How for ex someone with pluto conjunct moon would not get too rattled with someones pluto conjunct their moon in synastry etc, and I find this being the case in my experiences.

Then can you explain why the Moon person with natal Moon/Pluto tells me he feels crazy that he cannot resist me? Is it because his Pluto also trine my Venus? But is the trine energy so strong?

Also saw this post on another forum:
"i have moon opposite pluto natally and it takes me a long time to get over people and i tend to be obsessed with whoever i love. moon pluto aspects feed limerence.

i also had synastry before i was the moon person, he was the pluto person...i still watch his social media and its been years. i understand its over, the relationship served its karmic person but yet...i still hold on and sometimes i get so mad at myself because there is no logic behind why i continue to hold on."

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