posted March 27, 2019 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
True. Strong feelings of not being "enough". This especially when in Cap/Virgo.

Venus-Saturn often works to "self improve" and become more palatable to others more especially if in Cap/Virgo/Libra. Often this is the "beauty king" or "queen" pageant contestant.

They may often dismiss love or relationships when they are not financially sound. Or they feel less "sexy" to date anyone when they don't feel "successful" i.e don't have the job,car or money they want(especially when in Taurus/Cap) OR even the body/looks that they are proud of (especially when in Libra,Virgo or Leo)

Their confidence is directly dependent on how well they feel their lives are coming together. They can literally dissolve relationships or end them when experiencing reversals of fortune or hardships. They don't believe in "suffer together". This especially when the combo is in (Scorpio,Virgo or Cap)

They are often drawn to people who have beauty and "substance".Emotional maturity(not coldness) turns them on sexually(especially when in Scorpio or Cap).

They tend to be the eligible bachelorette or bachelor- since they often have good ol' fashioned values that they keep(this especially when in Cap,Libra or Virgo) But because of their "high" standards, they become the "gorgeous but single" one.

They tend to commit to someone for the long haul when inlove. So its not always about taking it "slow" etc. as Venus-Saturn often discerns immediately on the 1st date if they will likely marry you( this especially when the combo is in Cancer,Pisces or Scorpio)

They typically show their "best" selves in a committed relationship i.e being surprisingly romantic and increasingly sentimental as the relationship longevity endures(Esp when combo is in Cap,Virgo or Aqua)

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posted March 27, 2019 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Sag is ruled by Jupiter. And Jupter is ideals or philosophy. So there might be some stringent devotion towards a religion, a political organisation or cause etc.

This is true of Pisces and Virgo too. Though with Virgo there is likely to be devotion towards the "purification" of service i.e "ego-less" service or complete self removal from offering a service etc.

I know of a lady with Venus/Saturn conj in Virgo (8 degree wide orb) who thinks of her marriage to her husband as a "labor of devotion" more than love.

I sensed detachment from her sexual needs and I kept asking probing questions. To which she answered emphatically that the marriage is not about her husband per se but about her devotion towards her vows to the institution of marriage as a whole.

And so I asked "But god would surely appreciate this "devotion" more if it was done with an enthusiastic heart no? Not one that treated it like a "job"? But she couldn't understand what I meant at all.

Virgo and Sag both tend towards to have this fixation with religion. Virgo focuses more on the "purification" part and doing the worshipping/rituals in a "proper" way etc. As you are likely to find a Virgo reading "How to make your prayer more effective" etc.

Sag focuses on the "prescription" and strict adherence to that i.e Sag reads & applies " as is" and rarely looks at the INTENT.

It just drive me (also Sag Sun) bonkers when I talk to some of them who have a strong religious bent and try to engage them in conversation.

You are likely to find a Sag talk about things that are a "sin" for instance. Whilst removing or suppressing the human element within that "sin".

So a Sag will be asked whether or not killing is a sin? To which they will say "Yes". And then the person will ask "but what if it's in defense of being killed?" (this is the human element).To which Sag will answer "It's still killing. And therefore still a sin". Gosh!!!

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Ok my conj is in Sag and this is definitely NOT how it manifests for me. I am strongly anti organised religion, and labels in general. There are no doctrines I subscribe to. However I am a deeply spiritual person who is in a constant state of exploration, adapting my beliefs constantly as I discover what resonates with me.

So yes, I am devoted to my spiritual evolution, but I’m certainly not dogmatic in my approach. Quite the opposite actually. I don’t relate to the strict adherence element that Saturn is supposed to impose. On the contrary I find my interest in spirituality ever expansive. I will try things out and see how they work for me as an individual. For example; if being a vegetarian is supposed to raise my vibration by not ingesting the energy of death, I won’t just take so and so’s word for it in my quest to evolve, I might trial eating a vegetarian diet, and see how I FEEL. And if 3 months later my body tells me to eat a steak, I eat a steak. And I don’t feel bad about it. No one can tell me what’s right for me or how to develop my relationship with source/god other than myself.

posted March 27, 2019 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
What do these natives NEED in a relationship?
Reassurance?

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Saturn is the planet of time, reality, patience, hardships and stabillity.

So Venus-Saturn natives don't believe in words they believe in actions and the time you are being part of their lives.. The more time passes the more they will open up and trust you. Short-term love affairs are a waste of time and make their pain and loneliness grow more and more.

I might be wrong but that is the way the way the ones I've met with this sspect are.

posted March 28, 2019 03:30 AM            

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Originally posted by cultstatus:
Ok my conj is in Sag and this is definitely NOT how it manifests for me. I am strongly anti organised religion, and labels in general. There are no doctrines I subscribe to. However I am a deeply spiritual person who is in a constant state of exploration, adapting my beliefs constantly as I discover what resonates with me.

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posted March 28, 2019 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Notice how many Saturn-Sun or Saturn-Moon will stay in personally unsatisfactory jobs or relationships because those said jobs/relations serve a "bigger" purpose of maintaining lifestyle or status?

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posted March 28, 2019 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Interesting! I’m a moon conjunct Saturn and I tend to attract cap types too.

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That also ties into what I said about Venus-Saturn. Cap types are attracted to emotionally "mature" types. Or at least those that appear so on the surface.Even those that err on the side of being "serious".

posted March 28, 2019 07:06 AM            

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Do you have maybe Uranus or Aqua in the relationship houses (5th/7th/8th)?

Or maybe they have placements complimenting your Venus-Sat?

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i have Uranus in 8th house. That is the only explanation I have I think. As there is little else to explain it.

posted March 28, 2019 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Maybe [b]manymoones was including Neptune and Uranus?

I am far from being Cappy (I think) and I just attract these Venus-Sat conjunct in Capricorn guys (and more than half of them have at least 1 other personal planet in Cap too.[/B]

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You are likely to draw "Cap" types a lot if you have the following.

Sun in Cap/Moon in Cap or Asc in Cap

Saturn conj Sun/Moon/Asc/Venus or Mars

Saturn on the angles(especially 1st,10th and 7th)

Planets in the 10th house or stellium.

Saturn as part of a T-square or the apex planet of that T-square.

Saturn on N.Node

Saturn=Sun/Moon midpoint

Saturn=Venus/Mars midpoint

Dsc in Cap

posted March 28, 2019 07:27 AM            

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Originally posted by cultstatus:
As someone with Venus conj Saturn natally, this is one of the best interpretations I’ve come across.

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Thank you for this And in as far as the other post is concerned relating to Venus-Saturn in Sag, I failed to mention that Sag is usually on either side of the religious spectrum. But rarely ever have I met one whom is indifferent.

So its either they are fanatical to a point of being fiery pulpit Bible thumpers. Or the type to be so against religious indoctrination that it goes towards activism i.e to thwart what they term "programming" influence on others etc.

I am Sag Sun stellium in 9th that includes my Sun. I am the latter mentioned above. I was exposed to a lot of religious dogma and it took years to get rid of the guilt and shame associated with it.

So when I see people try to subliminally influence others or program them to the same guilt and shame.I get so angry!!

In the Draco chart Mars /Pluto are in the 9th house. Both suggest strong feelings related to 9th house themes in my case.

posted March 28, 2019 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
What do these natives NEED in a relationship?
Reassurance?

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Be real. Be down to earth. Be intellectual.Be consistent.
Be warm and sincere (not theatrical).

I hate the indifference or "bored" look that Moon in Cap can give me. My ex used to do that and I would just yell at him to stop behaving like a corpse.

The irony of course is that it is the same "look" that attracted me to him. And the men's fashion world has been selling that "corpse" look religiously in their cologne campaigns with their models.

They term it "brooding". I think of it as a "mugshot" pose .And notice how this same look whilst taking a mugshot propelled Jeremy Meeks to stardom?

posted March 28, 2019 09:49 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
“Don’t believe in words”

But what if they have a Leo moon? They love flattery!

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I know just one Leo Moon with Venus-Saturn conjunction.

He may enjoyed it if someone told him he is hot but not that he was "dying" for it.. He was too relying on actions.

posted March 28, 2019 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Do you have most of your planets in the bottom half of your chart?

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posted March 28, 2019 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Thank you for this And in as far as the other post is concerned relating to Venus-Saturn in Sag, I failed to mention that Sag is usually on either side of the religious spectrum. But rarely ever have I met one whom is indifferent.

So its either they are fanatical to a point of being fiery pulpit Bible thumpers. Or the type to be so against religious indoctrination that it goes towards activism i.e to thwart what they term "programming" influence on others etc.

I am Sag Sun stellium in 9th that includes my Sun. I am the latter mentioned above. I was exposed to a lot of religious dogma and it took years to get rid of the guilt and shame associated with it.

So when I see people try to subliminally influence others or program them to the same guilt and shame.I get so angry!!

In the Draco chart Mars /Pluto are in the 9th house. Both suggest strong feelings related to 9th house themes in my case.

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posted March 28, 2019 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by cultstatus:
Interesting! I, like you, was exposed to a lot of the religious dogma amoungst my family growing up. Eventually I had to challenge my father to stand up for the right to chose my own beliefs or be ostracised and homeless. I chose my right to my own belief system and had to move back in with my ex immediately after we broken up. That particular inicident will always stay with me as a reminder of the divsiveness and discord that religion creates amongst people.

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I swear its like the family disowning because you are gay(also equally ludicrous).

Does your Sun,5th house, 5th house ruler,Ic /Ic ruler aspect Pluto? This "all or nothing" approach smells of Scorpio/Pluto aggressive energy to me.

My sister has Pluto in house 3 close to the Ic. A disagreement gets so passionate and very heated that I sometimes choose not to engage(otherwise there is tension later on in the house). I live with her(Moon in 3rd)and so its sometimes not conducive to the ernegy of the house.

I myself am also trying to "redo" or "win" over others by persuading them to think along my terms when I want to prove a point lol(so am not completely "innocent") with my Pluto in 7th and Mars conjunct Dsc.

posted March 28, 2019 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Be real. Be down to earth. Be intellectual.Be consistent.
Be warm and sincere (not theatrical).

I hate the indifference or "bored" look that Moon in Cap can give me. My ex used to do that and I would just yell at him to stop behaving like a corpse.

The irony of course is that it is the same "look" that attracted me to him. And the men's fashion world has been selling that "corpse" look religiously in their cologne campaigns with their models.

They term it "brooding". I think of it as a "mugshot" pose .And notice how this same look whilst taking a mugshot propelled Jeremy Meeks to stardom?

And he has Venus in Cap, Saturn square Sun. And when I saw him 1st, I thought "what a good looking chiseled corpse"

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hahahah
I love that face because it's natural to them but I dislike it when someone tries hard to achieve it (or any other unnatural to them facial expression).

But that face makes me wanna tease them so much.

However the ones I know have warm eyes since they have watery Moons (Cancer/Scorpio).

Jeremy Meeks is very attractive and he's close to perfect physically but I bet he doesn't have a water Moon because his eyes "don't speak" to me. However I find him to attractive in other ways so he must have some nice planets/aspects/placements.

posted March 28, 2019 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You are likely to draw "Cap" types a lot if you have the following.

Saturn=Sun/Moon midpoint

Dsc in Cap

Asc/Sun in Cancer (the "opposition" effect has romantic ties or attraction). ,

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I have these and NN in Cap in 7th H

posted March 28, 2019 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

hahahah
I love that face because it's natural to them but I dislike it when someone tries hard to achieve it (or any other unnatural to them facial expression).

But that face makes me wanna tease them so much.

However the ones I know have warm eyes since they have watery Moons (Cancer/Scorpio).

Jeremy Meeks is very attractive and he's close to perfect physically but I bet he doesn't have a water Moon because his eyes "don't speak" to me. However I find him to attractive in other ways so he must have some nice planets/aspects/placements.

As a Venus-Saturn with Cancer Moon do you have that face and watery eyes?

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Jeremy Meeks has Moon in Aries. So you are correct, he doesn't have those sensitive eyes. I think hed make a gorgeous Zombie War Lord in a movie

Physically however, he could use some extra meat. He is a rail. Very lanky. We have a few guys in SA wbo look like him. I prefer my guys a little more physically "rounded".

I actually find his rugged brother hotter. I saw them in a pic together and I was like "who is that?" But the brother looks seriously menacing.

Jeremy Meek's Moon is conjunct my Asc and completes a Kite formation to my natal T-square. He would get on my last nerve!!

posted March 28, 2019 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

It somehow relaxes them to be with someone whom they can trust to be the level headed one for once-instead of them always being that role.So they feel they can relax with that individual.

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posted March 28, 2019 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I know just one Leo Moon with Venus-Saturn conjunction.

He may enjoyed it if someone told him he is hot but not that he was "dying" for it.. He was too relying on actions.

Is the person you're talking about like that? Other aspects may enhance it.
I've got Leo Venus, Mars and Jup.. Flattery turns me off and same does my friend born few days before me with the same chart even though she has low self esteem (Cap Moon).
However the square from Pluto in Scorpio may be the reason, that's why you should see the whole chart.

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posted March 28, 2019 02:19 PM            

I attract people with some form of potent Cap Energy; it's usually because they're very stable and not prone to big emotional scenes. I appreciate that quality in someone; someone who is willing to hear me out and listen but at the same time isn't spilling a pool of tears in the process. I want someone who is going to keep me on the right track and I don't like jumping in and out of relationships constantly. If I do get into a relationship I want to make sure it lasts and works, because at that point I have already made up my mind on it.

posted March 28, 2019 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Jeremy Meeks has Moon in Aries. So you are correct, he doesn't have those sensitive eyes. I think hed make a gorgeous Zombie War Lord in a movie

Physically however, he could use some extra meat. He is a rail. Very lanky. We have a few guys in SA wbo look like him. I prefer my guys a little more physically "rounded".

I actually find his rugged brother hotter. I saw them in a pic together and I was like "who is that?" But the brother looks seriously menacing.

Jeremy Meek's Moon is conjunct my Asc and completes a Kite formation to my natal T-square. He would get on my last nerve!!

I posted my pic a while back.Will see if I can re-post. I dont think its "brooding" though. Lol. But the emotional eyes are there....I think.

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Wooow he must have some good planets because Aries Moon/Mercury (and probably I should
also include Mars) get on my nerves too.

He has something familiar vibe wise to the one I am attracted to so I could see Aqua and Cap in him. He has the sexiness of a Scorpio but I don't get it's sensuality/warmth. So I am a bit confused I can't decide if he has or not Pluto-Scorpio placements. Where did you find his chart? I found one for an older man there is no way it's his chart.
I searched for his brother too but I can't find him.

I agree with you.
I personally like men that are considered short. I dislike muscles the most with the only exception being muscular arms (I'm ok with them if it's not extreme).
I love slim/thin legs and a belly on the chubby side ❤

However Jeremy Meeks has a gorgeous body for his height imo. It's rare to see someone tall having nice legs and not seeming like he has a sloppy body which he is not able to control well enough. Even though I like the more rounded ones too I believe his face suits his body really well.

Do you have a link to the thread you posted your pic maybe?

Also could you please reply to my previous comment about Sun/Moon midpoint in square to Saturn by 2 orbs?

posted March 28, 2019 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Interesting actually because I asked him what his love languages were and he said physical touch and acts of service. There you go. Actions.
But I can also tell he loves compliments. When I give him one he’ll probe me with like “really? You think so?? Why do you think that?” With a big grin on his face. Sometimes he says “oh it’s toooooo much” but I’m feeling this is an inability to receive bc he’s so used to being the giver.
Yeah the whole chart needs to be taken into account of course. He has Scorpio sun 9th, moon in Leo 6th, Venus/Saturn sag 9th. Mars libra 8th opposing Jupiter. P.s mars in Libra I’ve never had and omg CHIVALRY IS NOT DEAD! 💕

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Yes honestly all Venus earth signs must be the same. I personally need a watery Moon. My aunt who has Venus in Virgo and Moon in Taurus is very much like that but honestly even though she is emotiinal it feels to me that she doesn't understand others' emotions also she is not playful at all, she pretends to be sometimes but it comes of as fake.

It's funny how earthy Venus people feel loved like that but I see them in relationships with people who like to just take or they are kind of passive.

He may actually not like it as much as you think though (flattery). He might be kind or enjoying the fact that you personally like him (if he likes you). But he may do it for the reason I do it sometimes too. I just find the chance to learn about how the other person sees me.

posted March 28, 2019 06:41 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b] You are likely to draw "Cap" types a lot if you have the following.

Saturn=Sun/Moon midpoint

Dsc in Cap

Asc/Sun in Cancer (the "opposition" effect has romantic ties or attraction). ,

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I have these and NN in Cap in 7th H

But I'm wondering about the Sun/Moon midpoint to Saturn? Are you refering to the conjunction? I have Sun/Moon midpoint square Saturn by 2 orbs. I just realised it but I don't know if it's valid? [/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry, I didn't see this post initially.

I think 3 is the maximum orb that I allow personally with Midpoints. So yours is safe.

With Midpoints, squares, oppositions and conjunctions are the only things that are looked at. As such, there is no distinction between either one of them.

So someone with Venus/Moon square Sun and another with Venus/Moon midpoint conjunct Sun etc. with both people Venus/Moon midpoint=Sun.(this goes for the opposition too).

I once opened a thread on Midloints and to discuss them as well as their interpretation. It wasn't that popular with folks though. Didn't catch on much

But each midpoint means something different according to planets involved.

Like for instance with the above example, Venus/Moon midpoint is where our ability to relate to another (Venus) and emotional well-being(Moon) meet up.

So if Saturn is in aspect to them or(in midpoint language) is "equal" to them, then this suggests that the individual aims for stability, longevity and consistency (Saturn) when it comes to emotional well-being (Moon) and relating to others (Venus).

The flipside of that could also be that there is some difficulty or obstructions(Saturn) that prevent the individual from relating to others(Venus) and engaging with them fully as they fail to emotionally tap into themselves(Moon)

In my case Venus/Mars midpoint =Pluto. So my ability to relate to others(Venus) and assert my passion (Mars) comes through in aiming for sexual intimacy or enotional vulnerability(Pluto).