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Topic: Venus conj Saturn - the final word
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Nine Moderator Posts: 3676 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted March 26, 2019 08:27 PM
There have been many threads about this aspect. What is the verdict?He's stoic, and perhaps bored and unapproachable. However, if I initiate or ask him something he'll do it. He's young too. Like I've babysat kids older than he is. We're just friends, acquaintances really. I was about to drop him, what does he do? Made his way through a room full of people and stood right next to me. I was touched. ....When Sag does that exact same thing - get too close, I hiss and walk away. Ugh, Moon in Scorpio men. Poor things desperately needs a strong woman with a big heart to love them. You must be strong.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 72996 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 26, 2019 09:23 PM
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7003 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted March 26, 2019 09:57 PM
And Moon in Scorpio men - very attached to mother I have found.Not the same with the chicks, I told one her mother is cool huh, she didn't say a word, I could smell sum ting wong. And Venus conjunct Saturn, I too have it, in Pisces. I seem to date flashy ones, with not blings and shiz, but just enough to know they are, usually have something in Leo going on, lots of selfies, and camera flashes, "trendyyy" like my ex used to say, I am not into selfies much, or flashiness, altho I can be dramatic myself, Venus in 5th. Venus also trines Jupiter tho, so that changes everything perhaps. And I like chicks with dignity, I've never dated damsels in distress. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2360 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted March 27, 2019 01:02 AM
Oooooooo very interested in this thread. Currently very freshly seeing someone with Venus conjunct Saturn in Sag! Scorpio Sun, Leo Moon. He's very serious about his relationships and very devoted to Christianity because he honestly doesn't believe anyone on earth will love him as much as God.IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 03:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Hard to accept love. Feel they are not worthy.
True. Strong feelings of not being "enough". This especially when in Cap/Virgo. Venus-Saturn often works to "self improve" and become more palatable to others more especially if in Cap/Virgo/Libra. Often this is the "beauty king" or "queen" pageant contestant. They may often dismiss love or relationships when they are not financially sound. Or they feel less "sexy" to date anyone when they don't feel "successful" i.e don't have the job,car or money they want(especially when in Taurus/Cap) OR even the body/looks that they are proud of (especially when in Libra,Virgo or Leo) Their confidence is directly dependent on how well they feel their lives are coming together. They can literally dissolve relationships or end them when experiencing reversals of fortune or hardships. They don't believe in "suffer together". This especially when the combo is in (Scorpio,Virgo or Cap) They are often drawn to people who have beauty and "substance".Emotional maturity(not coldness) turns them on sexually(especially when in Scorpio or Cap). They tend to be the eligible bachelorette or bachelor- since they often have good ol' fashioned values that they keep(this especially when in Cap,Libra or Virgo) But because of their "high" standards, they become the "gorgeous but single" one. They tend to commit to someone for the long haul when inlove. So its not always about taking it "slow" etc. as Venus-Saturn often discerns immediately on the 1st date if they will likely marry you( this especially when the combo is in Cancer,Pisces or Scorpio) They typically show their "best" selves in a committed relationship i.e being surprisingly romantic and increasingly sentimental as the relationship longevity endures(Esp when combo is in Cap,Virgo or Aqua)
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 1334 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted March 27, 2019 05:47 AM
Venus-Saturn people - do they have the tendency to hypnotise themselves with "I don't love them... It's ok if they leave me.... " even though their behaviour is showing the opposite? I noticed this in 3 Venus-Saturn people I know. IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 894 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted March 27, 2019 08:19 AM
I'm very interested in this thread as I have said probably a hundred times by now I have never been attracted to someone who doesn't have Cap Venus conjunct Saturn in Cap. It happens that the last ons has a Scorpio Moon too.. Ahh @Aries23 nice reply IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 09:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Venus-Saturn people - do they have the tendency to hypnotise themselves with "I don't love them... It's ok if they leave me.... " even though their behaviour is showing the opposite? I noticed this in 3 Venus-Saturn people I know.
I do this. Its the suppression(Saturn) of pleasure dependency(Venus). In that Saturn tends to be more about getting life "done" and not so much "enjoyment". Notice how many Saturn-Sun or Saturn-Moon will stay in personally unsatisfactory jobs or relationships because those said jobs/relations serve a "bigger" purpose of maintaining lifestyle or status? Saturn (vibrates to earth sign energy) and tends to put "happily ever after" at the bottom of the list of ambitions. In that, as opposed to a nice house or car (which are tangible) etc. this intangible thing called "love" is so vague and indefinable(Saturn dislikes that) and is therefore of "less" importance in as far as it is concerned. Ever heard a Saturn person say "Love doesn't pay the bills"? It is usually a dismissal of sentimental things deemed "unproductive" etc. But the heart is the heart. So even when a Venus-Saturn says "Its fine. I don't love you either" and you swear you saw them tear up etc. Rather believe the body language and less the words. It is because you dared to make them believe that such things that they thought "silly" actually made them happy i.e valentines day, cuddles, kisses etc. What they typically mean to say is;" I will miss you" "You made me believe the impossible" and more importantly "I fear that I may never be this happy or feel this way ever again". The other things that people don't get is that Saturn holds on to love/ joy tighter and longer than most. They (Saturn) don't take it for granted because they feel how "rare" universal alignment to what they desire is (Jup- Venus on the other hand, gambles with love...a lot) IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 09:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: I'm very interested in this thread as I have said probably a hundred times by now I have never been attracted to someone who doesn't have Cap Venus conjunct Saturn in Cap. It happens that the last ons has a Scorpio Moon too.. Ahh [b]@Aries23 nice reply[/B]
Thank you. The theme of Saturn/Venus is one I am all too familiar with. Both Venus/Saturn are also in the 7th. Saturn rules the 10th and Venus rules the 7th. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2360 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted March 27, 2019 11:44 AM
So what happens when it’s in Sag?IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 12:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem: So what happens when it’s in Sag?
Sag is ruled by Jupiter. And Jupter is ideals or philosophy. So there might be some stringent devotion towards a religion, a political organisation or cause etc. This is true of Pisces and Virgo too. Though with Virgo there is likely to be devotion towards the "purification" of service i.e "ego-less" service or complete self removal from offering a service etc. I know of a lady with Venus/Saturn conj in Virgo (8 degree wide orb) who thinks of her marriage to her husband as a "labor of devotion" more than love. I sensed detachment from her sexual needs and I kept asking probing questions. To which she answered emphatically that the marriage is not about her husband per se but about her devotion towards her vows to the institution of marriage as a whole. And so I asked "But god would surely appreciate this "devotion" more if it was done with an enthusiastic heart no? Not one that treated it like a "job"? But she couldn't understand what I meant at all. Virgo and Sag both tend towards to have this fixation with religion. Virgo focuses more on the "purification" part and doing the worshipping/rituals in a "proper" way etc. As you are likely to find a Virgo reading "How to make your prayer more effective" etc. Sag focuses on the "prescription" and strict adherence to that i.e Sag reads & applies " as is" and rarely looks at the INTENT. It just drive me (also Sag Sun) bonkers when I talk to some of them who have a strong religious bent and try to engage them in conversation. You are likely to find a Sag talk about things that are a "sin" for instance. Whilst removing or suppressing the human element within that "sin". So a Sag will be asked whether or not killing is a sin? To which they will say "Yes". And then the person will ask "but what if it's in defense of being killed?" (this is the human element).To which Sag will answer "It's still killing. And therefore still a sin". Gosh!!! IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2360 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted March 27, 2019 12:51 PM
Ha! Amazing. Thanks Aries. So good as always. This sounds like the guy I’m involved with. It’s either sin or not. It just is. He tells me he can be “bad” though. E.g getting drunk when he should be at a church meeting and just not showing up. Come to think if it he doesn’t like his drink 🤔 He’s also celibate but I’m not sure how well this goes for him considering he has mars opposite Jupiter. But as I said above he doesn’t believe anyone will truly love him as much as God. “It’s impossible”.
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Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 894 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted March 27, 2019 12:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Venus-Saturn people - do they have the tendency to hypnotise themselves with "I don't love them... It's ok if they leave me.... " even though their behaviour is showing the opposite? I noticed this in 3 Venus-Saturn people I know.
You might be into smth. They don't let themselves to get excited or I should say they get excited and all those intense feelings (at least the ones I've met that have Moon in water signs) but they try to keep themselves grounded because they think in long term mode. I don't know if I'm qualified as a Cap DSC to reply from personal experience but I feel like I have this in common with Venus-Saturn natives I've met. I try to keep myself grounded for multiple different reasons. One is I don't trust others' words. People will say/promise things because they're blinded by excitement or other intense feelings which it's not bad by itself.. the problem is they can't think of what will happen when those feelings pass before they say something big. For me they are liars even though they didn't intend to. It doesn't change the result. It's part of the reason I like the so called cold/serious types they give me the time I need and they don't say much.. they do though much more than the ones who "promise you the world". And the best is the stabillity they end up offering. Someone said abouts Caps being drawn to Leos. I wouldn't say it's enough by itself unless the Cap Venus have fire/air planets, placements or DSC or the Leo has earthy/watery chart. But I think they admire how proud Leos are and their high self-esteem maybe because they are qualities they lack or at least they don't have as much as of them as they would like. However no matter how much low self-esteem Venus-Saturn have they are not the pitiful type. Even if they cry they will do it with dignity. IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 894 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted March 27, 2019 01:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Thank you. The theme of Saturn/Venus is one I am all too familiar with. Both Venus/Saturn are also in the 7th. Saturn rules the 10th and Venus rules the 7th.
Although it's a difficult placement you would be a good stable partner even if you don't believe that yourself. Do you need stability and longetivity in your relationships? If my memory serves me right you have Cancer Moon and Cap Mercury?
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 01:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem: Ha! Amazing. Thanks Aries. So good as always. This sounds like the guy I’m involved with. It’s either sin or not. It just is. He tells me he can be “bad” though. E.g getting drunk when he should be at a church meeting and just not showing up. Come to think if it he doesn’t like his drink 🤔 He’s also celibate but I’m not sure how well this goes for him considering he has mars opposite Jupiter. But as I said above he doesn’t believe anyone will truly love him as much as God. “It’s impossible”.
Ask him if he masturbates a lot,feels guilt and prays about it? That Mars opposite Jupiter gives an exaggerated "drive". But what end? I think perhaps for him its Church. But with Sun in Scorpio, sex and sexuality is a point of constant pondering and contemplation. I have the reverse in my chart. He has Sun in Scorpio and Venus-Sat conj in Sag I have Sun in Sag and Venus-Sat conj in Sco He has Mars/Jupiter opp and I have Mars/Jup sextile. And my focus is mostly on sex and sexuality. I would say its the fear of a broken heart that has him affirming that only "God" can love him. With "God" , disappointment is unlikely.And that is what he is avoiding.
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 01:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: Although it's a difficult placement you would be a good stable partner even if you don't believe that yourself. Do you need stability and longetivity in your relationships? If my memory serves me right you have Cancer Moon and Cap Mercury?
I do. Oh I do. I am strongly intellectual of course. But I do want stability. Saturn sits on Moon and Merc by trine and sextile respectively. I feel like I tend to withhold sensitive and caring nature within until I feel secure. As I said in the "The people we attract and why" , I tend to attract Uranus-Sun/Uranus-Moon/Uranus-Venus or Uranus-Mars without fail. We connect amazingly and things progress well. Then suddenly things alter and then there is instability and/or disturbances that compromise closeness. I dont want to "aspect stereotype" but it happens each and every time. I hang on for dear life in the hopes that the storm will calm. But it doesn't and we drift apart Most unstable indeed. Its interesting to note however that Moon-Uranus =Sun and Mercury-Uranus=Sun. So I do note that Uranus is may be strongly a part of my chart(although subliminally through Midpoint). But it seems to pack quite a punch relationship-wise. IP: Logged |
manymoones Knowflake Posts: 91 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted March 27, 2019 02:33 PM
I have this aspect in Capricorn H12. Leo moon <3 I used to not be able to have a good time if there were responsibilities to attend to (house needs tidying up, etc.). I would feel so guilty! But have done a lot of work to let those feelings go and enjoy life Used to use coldness/apathy as a defense mechanism and bottled everything up. Have done lots of work around this, too. I can even talk about my feelings now lol! Much thanks to my husband. His Mercury is on my Saturn/Venus... wonder if that is related? Happy in love <3 IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2360 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted March 27, 2019 02:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Ask him if he masturbates a lot,feels guilt and prays about it? That Mars opposite Jupiter gives an exaggerated "drive". But what end? I think perhaps for him its Church. But with Sun in Scorpio, sex and sexuality is a point of constant pondering and contemplation. I have the reverse in my chart. He has Sun in Scorpio and Venus-Sat conj in Sag I have Sun in Sag and Venus-Sat conj in Sco He has Mars/Jupiter opp and I have Mars/Jup sextile. And my focus is mostly on sex and sexuality. I would say its the fear of a broken heart that has him affirming that only "God" can love him. With "God" , disappointment is unlikely.And that is what he is avoiding.
Masturbates and prays hahahaha! I’ll have to ask him 😂 I have a feeling he does y’know.. This mars Jupiter opposition happens to square my Venus OOPPPPS lol. I think he’s highly sexually attracted to me and doesn’t know what to do about it. BUT I also think he sees me as a potential long term partner so we’ll see. But yes, you’re on point with him trying to avoid a broken heart. He grew up with an abusive alcoholic father. Got his heart broken by his ex whom he adored. That was only in nov. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 04:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by manymoones: I have this aspect in Capricorn H12. Leo moon <3 I used to not be able to have a good time if there were responsibilities to attend to (house needs tidying up, etc.). I would feel so guilty! But have done a lot of work to let those feelings go and enjoy life Used to use coldness/apathy as a defense mechanism and bottled everything up. Have done lots of work around this, too. I can even talk about my feelings now lol! Much thanks to my husband. His Mercury is on my Saturn/Venus... wonder if that is related? Happy in love <3
Is your hubby a Cap type? IP: Logged |
manymoones Knowflake Posts: 91 From: Registered: Aug 2018
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posted March 27, 2019 05:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Is your hubby a Cap type?
Yes - he's got 4 planets in Cap and NN. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 7141 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted March 27, 2019 05:54 PM
Venus-Saturn people are often drawn to Caps or attract Caps. So i thought if that applied to you?And it does.
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2360 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted March 27, 2019 05:58 PM
Interesting! I’m a moon conjunct Saturn and I tend to attract cap types too.IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 894 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted March 27, 2019 07:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: As I said in the "The people we attract and why" , I tend to attract Uranus-Sun/Uranus-Moon/Uranus-Venus or Uranus-Mars without fail.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry.. I am the Uranus-Sun and Uranus-DSC person for the Venus-Saturn natives I've met. And it goes exactly like this:
quote: We connect amazingly and things progress well. Then suddenly things alter and then there is instability and/or disturbances that compromise closeness. I dont want to "aspect stereotype" but it happens each and every time. I hang on for dear life in the hopes that the storm will calm. But it doesn't and we drift apart Most unstable indeed.
In my case I am the responsible one for the "bad" endings. Is it the Uranus person in your case too? Maybe not responsible by choice, it could also be external obstacles preventing the Uranus person from continuing your relationship. I habe a feeling that Uranus conjunct DSC will always prevent me from having anything stable in my life including non intimate/romantic relationships.
quote: Its interesting to note however that Moon-Uranus =Sun and Mercury-Uranus=Sun. So I do note that Uranus is may be strongly a part of my chart(although subliminally through Midpoint). But it seems to pack quite a punch relationship-wise.
I don't know if it's because of that. However most of the ones I'm talking about have just an aspect to Uranus and Neptune (usually to their Venus) but it's very loose (the tightest of them being 7 orbs) while their Venus is conjunct Saturn with the looser one being 2 orbs. Other than that they have no major Uranus/Neptune aspects. There are exceptions like the last one being Aqua Sun and Mercury but he is an exception. Do you have maybe Uranus or Aqua in the relationship houses (5th/7th/8th)? Or maybe they have placements complimenting your Venus-Sat? Except of my DSC in Cap with Uranus and Neptune in there I have North Node, Lilith and Juno in Cap in there too. * To be honest I find it wise to withold affection/caring etc untill you feel that the person it's worth it. However I believe like all watery Moons (unless afflcted) you have good intuition and you probably know since the very start which person is right for you and if it's worth it, even if it doesn't end up like you want to.
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Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 894 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted March 27, 2019 07:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Venus-Saturn people are often drawn to Caps or attract Caps. So i thought if that applied to you?And it does.
Maybe manymoones was including Neptune and Uranus? I am far from being Cappy (I think) and I just attract these Venus-Sat conjunct in Capricorn guys (and more than half of them have at least 1 other personal planet in Cap too. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2360 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted March 27, 2019 08:10 PM
What do these natives NEED in a relationship? Reassurance?IP: Logged |