posted March 28, 2019 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Wooow he must have some good planets because Aries Moon/Mercury (and probably I should
also include Mars) get on my nerves too.

He has something familiar vibe wise to the one I am attracted to so I could see Aqua and Cap in him. He has the sexiness of a Scorpio but I don't get it's sensuality/warmth. So I am a bit confused I can't decide if he has or not Pluto-Scorpio placements. Where did you find his chart? I found one for an older man there is no way it's his chart.
I searched for his brother too but I can't find him.

I agree with you.
I personally like men that are considered short. I dislike muscles the most with the only exception being muscular arms (I'm ok with them if it's not extreme).
I love slim/thin legs and a belly on the chubby side ❤

However Jeremy Meeks has a gorgeous body for his height imo. It's rare to see someone tall having nice legs and not seeming like he has a sloppy body which he is not able to control well enough. Even though I like the more rounded ones too I believe his face suits his body really well.

Do you have a link to the thread you posted your pic maybe?

Also could you please reply to my previous comment about Sun/Moon midpoint in square to Saturn by 2 orbs?

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I googled his birthday to try and link progressions and transits that perhaps would highlight his "overnight" fame.

He is February 7 1984.

Sun in Aqua
Moon in Aries
Mercury in Cap
Venus in Cap
Mars in Scorpio
Jupiter in Sag
Saturn in Scorpio
Uranus in Sag
Neptune in Sag
Pluto in Lib/Scop(I forget here)

posted March 29, 2019 07:18 AM            

I don't know how old that thread is, I haven't seen it but I can see why it wasn't "popular", there is very little information available online. I've been interested myself in learning about midpoints, solar arcs, solar and lunar returns. For the most part I had difficulty finding even basic interpretations. So I gave up.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I googled his birthday to try and link progressions and transits that perhaps would highlight his "overnight" fame.

He is February 7 1984.

Sun in Aqua
Moon in Aries
Mercury in Cap
Venus in Cap
Mars in Scorpio
Jupiter in Sag
Saturn in Scorpio
Uranus in Sag
Neptune in Sag
Pluto in Lib/Scop(I forget here)

I don't know where I got the pic with him and his brother. Both shirtless But I think it was on a discussion thread.

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Same old, same old..
So he has Cap, Scorp and a bit of Aqua.. What a surprise 😑.
What I find interesting though is his Mars in Scorpio. I'm very familiar with that particular Mars energy, but I couldn't decide if he bad Scorpio energy or not. After seeing his chart I'm wondering if it's because his Mars conjuncts Saturn, Saturn kind of limits that strong Scorpio vibe.

I'm also tired od Aqua's luck.
I have met so many Aquas the only ones who haven't been on the rich side since a young age, are the 2 who had Piscean Mercuries.. Both of them had so many good chances in their lives but they lost them due to their Piscean brain.

Sag is suposed to be the lucky sign.. It seems to me from the Sag Sun/Moons I know, that Sag's luck comes in frequent small doses. They have an easy daily life but that's it.. Their luck is nowhere close to Aqua's luck. Why are Aquas so lucky when it comes to money? They become financially comfortable quite young and quite quickly.

So it doesn't surprise me he was lucky.
Especially even though he doesn't have Mercuru in Aqua (like the ones I know), Mercury in Cap is nice, and the rest of his chart being Saturnian is positive when it comes to work.

Did you find anything interesting (transits/progressions etc) activating his planets?

posted March 31, 2019 09:17 PM            

Anyone want to take a look at his chart?

(I’ve also since learned that he used to have a porn addiction. Haaaaaaa Scorpio sun hello!)

posted March 31, 2019 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

Thank you [b]Aries23 for your midpoint explanation.
Your reference to them not only made me realise that I have Sun/Moon=Saturn but it also came as an answer to some questions that popped in my mind a few days ago.

I don't know how old that thread is, I haven't seen it but I can see why it wasn't "popular", there is very little information available online. I've been interested myself in learning about midpoints, solar arcs, solar and lunar returns. For the most part I had difficulty finding even basic interpretations. So I gave up.

Same old, same old..
So he has Cap, Scorp and a bit of Aqua.. What a surprise 😑.
What I find interesting though is his Mars in Scorpio. I'm very familiar with that particular Mars energy, but I couldn't decide if he bad Scorpio energy or not. After seeing his chart I'm wondering if it's because his Mars conjuncts Saturn, Saturn kind of limits that strong Scorpio vibe.

I'm also tired od Aqua's luck.
I have met so many Aquas the only ones who haven't been on the rich side since a young age, are the 2 who had Piscean Mercuries.. Both of them had so many good chances in their lives but they lost them due to their Piscean brain.

Sag is suposed to be the lucky sign.. It seems to me from the Sag Sun/Moons I know, that Sag's luck comes in frequent small doses. They have an easy daily life but that's it.. Their luck is nowhere close to Aqua's luck. Why are Aquas so lucky when it comes to money? They become financially comfortable quite young and quite quickly.

So it doesn't surprise me he was lucky.
Especially even though he doesn't have Mercuru in Aqua (like the ones I know), Mercury in Cap is nice, and the rest of his chart being Saturnian is positive when it comes to work.

Did you find anything interesting (transits/progressions etc) activating his planets?

* You have a beautiful and attractive face. Sometimes someone may have a good looking face that may leave you indifferent (unattractive) or he/she may have even an ugly face that is somehow very attractive. Also you do have that watery warmth in your eyes. Normally I don't like Cancer Moon eyes, but I find that in cases like yours, the Saturnian energy in your chart takes away that Cancerian childness I dislike and leaves the beautiful watery warmth.[/B]

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Oh yes, I did find telling stuff with progressions(didn't mention that) with regards to him.

Progressed Venus in Aqua 23 and Mars 24 Scorpio. These two were opposite and square trans Jupiter in Leo respectively at the end of 2014.

Trans Saturn was in square progressed Venus and conjunct progressed Mars later that year too. And earlier that same year, it was on his Sun by square. So I guess it was a period of him having to "grow up"?

His progressed Moon was in conjunction with Neptune at the end of that year also. It also seemed to have squared Saturn and opposed Jupiter at some point during that year(I suspect when he got arrested).

But the most telling was nodal axis in Libra, Pluto in Cap and Uranus in Aries all interacting with his natal Moon in Aries and Venus in Cap during that year 2014.

Pluto-Uranus during that year already had explosive results by transits. And I think it was a matter of cosmic "timing" that the nodal axis interacted with the transiting square between the former planets.

Then his natal Moon/Venus got involved. And it was like an overnight fame (Uranus) thing that changed his life(Pluto) irrevocably.

Interestingly, trans Pluto was on Venus that whole year. So he had the whole "alluring" thing going on one hand whilst the "menacing" thing on the other.

And Pluto can have people have extreme reactions to you. Maybe because YOU are so angry (ae he does look positively angry in that mug shot). Pluto was sextile his Mars and conjunct Venus(strong emotions).

Pluto is the police or law enforcement (whilst Saturn is the courts and procedure).So Pluto on Venus suggests his relationship with the police. And perhaps they found him "menacing" as Pluto Cap was busy punishing everyone and anyone who wasn't living up to moral integrity(Cap).

Trans Uranus was on his Moon. So something out of the ordinary or unusual was going to come and disrupt his life pattern and domestic scene.

Uranus does rule social media (especially the "viral" kind) and so when he got famous, he forgot all about his life before with his girlfriend (men are typically like this) and became "too hot to handle". And this is how Uranus disrupted his domestic scene and interpersonal relationships(Moon).

On the other hand, Jeremy Meeks is a Moon in Aries and so he can be a whole lot childlike and a little immature. And can behave like a "naughty" child i.e that Aries energy is always in need of some kind of parental supervision(Cap or Can).

So my guess is that trans Uranus on his Moon that year could have had him feel that much more daring in pushing boundaries and taking more risks. But there was no immediate "parental" figure to supervise and control things from getting out of hand.

So the added Pluto in Cap square to trans Uranus and his natal Moon served the role of the "parent". Luckily, Jupiter was also transiting that year so Saturn's effect on his Sun was optimally cushioned. Otherwise Jeremy would still be in prison.

Also likely is that the transiting nodal axis in Venus ruled Libra didn't come with too much punishment (. As it formed a trine aspect to his Sun.

So just imagine if it was in Cap? If it had been so, things would have likely worked out more to the Police's favour i.e the letter of the law resulting in Jeremy being thrown in jail

If we had the Asc, we could examine the preoccupation with his looks. Coz I suspect a possible Mars on the angles that is echoed by his Moon in Aries i.e his criminal past is part in parcel with his success. So perhaps Mars in 10th?(famous for being "sexy" as Scorpio rules "criminal" behavior and he has Mars in Scorpio)

Also possible is Moon in Aries on the angles due to his impulsive nature that has him decorated with a criminal past? Plus Mommy always thought him "misunderstood" and he wanted to "prove" his "toughness" to his peers with the many tattoos he ended up getting(gang status).

On second thoughts, I think the latter fits more. I don't see him as "calculating"(Scorpio Mars is more like this) at all.

I also don't think he could have even anticipated he would ever live the life he is living now.Not in his wildest dreams. He better make the most of it and be wise enough to save money for when its gone. Its gone.

I however highly doubt that his Moon in Aries is taking any precautionary measures. Its found in the Leo decanate and Leo scoffs as "caution" or "negative thinking". Rather satisfied to bask in the limelight (his Instagram suggests he is enjoying "the life").

posted April 01, 2019 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I swear its like the family disowning because you are gay(also equally ludicrous).

Does your Sun,5th house, 5th house ruler,Ic /Ic ruler aspect Pluto? This "all or nothing" approach smells of Scorpio/Pluto aggressive energy to me.

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posted April 01, 2019 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by cultstatus:
Yes! My sun and merc (11th Aqua - mercury also 4th house ruler ) squares Pluto (9th- Scorpio ).

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Bingo!! I lived with people who ALL either had Pluto square Sun, Pluto opposition Sun or Pluto conjunct/parralel Sun. This is my family :From Mom,Dad,Sisters etc.

So I am aware of how extreme things can get and how firm people's opinions can be about stuff.

My sister has Pluto in 3rd in aspect to Mercury/Sun. Its ALL or NOTHING.

The Father is represented by the Sun AND the Ic(Ic ruler). So aspects to Sun, planets in Ic as well as Ic ruler dictate how you 'experienced' him. Even if he was the 'nicest' person to others, you would have experienced him differently.

So Pluto to Sun suggests an intimidating and ovebearing personality(at worst) whilst Pluto/Mercury with Mercury as Ic ruler, meaning somebody who doesn't want anybody not aligning to ideals of the home.

So if the home was a family that kept guns and believed in settling disputes violently.Dad would readily call out anyone who didn't do that as a "p***" etc. If Mars/Saturn is in aspect, physical force to adhere to rules would be used.

I always think that Pluto/4th or Pluto /Ic people go through some sort of stringent home "conditioning" i.e either political,religious or academic etc.

When they try to "rebel" against such conditioning. All hell breaks loose. The family may turn against them or they become the "black sheep" etc.

In many ways they experience loss(Pluto) through the home(Ic) or feeling like they don't belong there. And from an evolutionary astrological perspective, Pluto in 4th house souls are the "pattern breakers" in the family.

So if a family has always been staunchly religious. Pluto in 4th house person will not be(and thus face being ostracized by the other members of the family)

If the family kept long held secrets, Pluto in 4th house person will break the silence of perhaps physical, sexual or emotional abuse in the home by cracking the lid wide open. And letting the skeletons out.

They(Pluto in 4th) may face huge backlash from the other members of the family for "airing their dirty laundry" etc.

But their(Pluto in 4th) soul simply cannot endure pretenses and masked pain to continue past their own generation. It is simply abhorrent to them to even try.

Infact, I will go as far as saying that Pluto in the chart is where we are likely to become the "black sheep" and break previously solidified patterns irrevocably.

posted April 01, 2019 07:42 PM            

I agree with the things you said about his personality.
I also feel like he is reckless and more on the superficial side. My intuition tells me he is not someone I could somewhat trust at all.
I don't think he really loved his wife, I sense he's one of those people who are with someone for reasons other than love. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon. He would probably break up with her even if he didn't become famous.

Seems like a lot was going on for him at the same time that year. Some say progressions indicate just the emotional and mental state of the native, not life events per se.
I'm not sure about it, since I don't have much experience, but sometimes I see nothing else going on other than a significant progressive aspect. But it's always a progressive planet aspecting a natal one, never progressive planet aspecting another progressive planet.

I'm a bit confused though when it comes to the orbs. How long does the effect of say progressed Jupiter on natal Venus or any natal planet would last? Does it last years or just a few months-to a year when it's exact?

Do you believe Nodes aren't what most say they are? (I mean the typical interpretation)
Someone told me about Nodes being way more important than what they are believed to be and that they are always present when something significant happens in our lives since they indicate the time of something happening (something like that).
However T.Node has aspected all my planets (except of the Leo trio) and honestly nothing was happenning at those periods with just 2 exceptions. However in those two exceptions I also had other external transit planets aspecting the same natal planet. So..

*Can't decide about his ASC. Both Aries/Mars and Cap/Sat give that face structure. But he has lots of Cap and Aries energy already in his natal chart.
- A Scorpio ASC with his Pluto, Mars and Saturn in 12th H with the last two conjuncting his ASC,
- Uranus in his 1st H or 2nd H
- Neptune, Venus and Jupiter in his 2nd H.

A Sag ASC would suit him better with Uranus in the 1st and the rest of the planets in his 2nd H as it would be with the Scorpio ASC.

But since famous people tend to have 10th H placements I could easily see this bunch of planets in his 10th H.

So basically ASCs from Scorpio till Aqua seem possible to me. Scorpio and Sag ASCs would put Uranus in the 1st H so that Aqua vibe would be there. I kind of feel Sag with Uranus in it the most because it gives both Sag and Aqua vibes. He already has Saryrnian energy in his chart, he should look way more serious and "heavy" than he does with Scorpio or Cap ASC (since even with Scorpio ASC his Saturn would be close to his ASC if not in it).

posted April 06, 2019 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by cultstatus:
Yes! My sun and merc (11th Aqua - mercury also 4th house ruler ) squares Pluto (9th- Scorpio ).

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One of my best friends also has sun square Pluto and Venus conjunct Saturn too.... Pluto in the first and her father was always making derogatory comments about her physical appearance, igniting/contributing to an eating disorder. She also has he Venus Saturn conj amongst her 4th house stellium.

posted April 06, 2019 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
From my observations, if there are no adverse aspects to this combo, the natives tend to marry well.

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posted April 06, 2019 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
That also ties into what I said about Venus-Saturn. Cap types are attracted to emotionally "mature" types. Or at least those that appear so on the surface.Even those that err on the side of being "serious".

It somehow relaxes them to be with someone whom they can trust to be the level headed one for once-instead of them always being that role.So they feel they can relax with that individual.

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Yes true for me. Saturn aspects my moon-mars-chiron-venus-jupiter-n.node and mercurry, and all my angles. I can be very bubbly and childish, and I just love being playful (aries-gemini stellium etc). But in the end, when one has played around and been silly, one does wanna be able to have emotional connections with "emotionally mature" people.

I need both in my life and friends. Playfullness, bubblyness but then important serious heart to hearts. This one can't have with superficial people or emotionally non-mature ones.

This makes me so super picky-er when chosing to let in new people in my life. Like if someone seems non-fun and boring and too serious I feel claustrophopic and bored.
If its someone who is just upbeat and funny- childish, I will be sceptical of that aswell and feel like, this is NOT someone who I can emotionally connect with..

This way I have not given even a change to many people I have met in my life, and I have been like this since I was, like 6 years old and in daycare! I remember vividly how chosy i was back then aswell, I would almost always just go into our "book room" and look at books until my mom picked me up. Even then I was like "all or nothing" when it came to choising friends.

As if my virgo rising and plutonic energy could have been any worse.. sigh

I always attract saturnian people. If they have a nice blend of fire, air and earth, it is not too heavy. The cold sides of saturn I can't stand.

Also emotionally mature people I equal with intellectuality and good IQ, things important for me to feel like I am being seen and understood..

Being with emotionally mature people equals; Feeling Safe, Nurtured, Understood, Connection.

posted April 06, 2019 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EmGem:
[b]What do these natives NEED in a relationship?
Reassurance?

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Saturn is the planet of time, reality, patience, hardships and stabillity.

So Venus-Saturn natives don't believe in words they believe in actions and the time you are being part of their lives.. The more time passes the more they will open up and trust you. Short-term love affairs are a waste of time and make their pain and loneliness grow more and more.

I might be wrong but that is the way the way the ones I've met with this sspect are.

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Yes very true! I am like this, and I measure love by how reliable and generous someone is with his/her time with me and the persons actions. I think this is only rational though. I think all rational and non-dumb people would measure love by someones actions and not by someones "empty words", Or is it me?

posted April 06, 2019 01:58 PM            

I just can't understand how a normal person would not need all five of the "love language" things brought up in the book. I need to hear I'm loved. I need to be touched. I need act of services, Quality time, I need gifts (small thoughtful ones). In my mind, ALL of thise five are naturally and seemlessly connected to each other! You can't isolate them, its just not rational to me how that could be.

Ok only if maybe you are someone who detest touch, or don't like touching etc, autists or its alike. Or you are someone who can emotionally connect only via sex and nothing else.. granted there are different people out there but in general all five is needed for human beings.

Just a capitalistical way of using "psychology" or whatever to gain money or fame, so stupid.

And no offence to people using this "language" thing!

I just hope people are more careful with what types of movements they follow.

The author of this book is not even a psychologist I mind you! He is a philosopher..

posted April 06, 2019 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b] As I said in the "The people we attract and why" , I tend to attract Uranus-Sun/Uranus-Moon/Uranus-Venus or Uranus-Mars without fail.

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I don't know if I should laugh or cry..
I am the Uranus-Sun and Uranus-DSC person for the Venus-Saturn natives I've met.
And it goes exactly like this:

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We connect amazingly and things progress well.
Then suddenly things alter and then there is instability and/or disturbances that compromise closeness.

I dont want to "aspect stereotype" but it happens each and every time. I hang on for dear life in the hopes that the storm will calm. But it doesn't and we drift apart Most unstable indeed.

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In my case I am the responsible one for the "bad" endings.
Is it the Uranus person in your case too?
Maybe not responsible by choice, it could also be external obstacles preventing the Uranus person from continuing your relationship.
I habe a feeling that Uranus conjunct DSC will always prevent me from having anything stable in my life including non intimate/romantic relationships.

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Its interesting to note however that Moon-Uranus =Sun and Mercury-Uranus=Sun. So I do note that Uranus is may be strongly a part of my chart(although subliminally through Midpoint). But it seems to pack quite a punch relationship-wise.

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I don't know if it's because of that. However most of the ones I'm talking about have just an aspect to Uranus and Neptune (usually to their Venus) but it's very loose (the tightest of them being 7 orbs) while their Venus is conjunct Saturn with the looser one being 2 orbs. Other than that they have no major Uranus/Neptune aspects.
There are exceptions like the last one being Aqua Sun and Mercury but he is an exception.

Do you have maybe Uranus or Aqua in the relationship houses (5th/7th/8th)?
Or maybe they have placements complimenting your Venus-Sat? Except of my DSC in Cap with Uranus and Neptune in there I have North Node, Lilith and Juno in Cap in there too.

* To be honest I find it wise to withold affection/caring etc untill you feel that the person it's worth it. However I believe like all watery Moons (unless afflcted) you have good intuition and you probably know since the very start which person is right for you and if it's worth it, even if it doesn't end up like you want to.

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posted April 07, 2019 03:32 PM            

I don't attract Cap types nor am I attracted to Saturn-like people. I actually reject any Saturnian traits or energy completely. This may be tied to other traits in my chart like Venus conjunct Uranus (1') and Jupiter opposite Saturn (1').

I do identify with some traits people described here, but I believe that is more of my Saturn in the 5th which I wish I could trade for something else. Saturn in the house of play hurts so much!

I think this says a lot since I only have planets in water and earth signs.

posted April 12, 2019 04:49 PM            

I have that idea that I don't deserve love or love hasn't been made for me. It's strange, I don't trust people, always with that feeling about been betrayed or cheated on.

My first important relationship lasted 11 years, he cheated on me and during the relationship he was very very demanding, as for example he wanted I was beautiful all the time, a perfect social woman, a perfect housewife and so on, but finally he cheated on me with a very vulgar girl. I dumped him. After that, I dated two guys and the result was one ghosted me and the other one one day decided to ignore me. I decided to break all kind of contact with them (I never, never forgive, it's my Scorpio Moon).
And all of them always demanding me things, demanding me that I had to marry them or get pregnant, there was a time when I was unemployed or had bad jobs so I had to switch jobs or had multiple jobs underpaids and they thought it was my fault and all that. Demanding me EVERYTHING. Exhausting for me, I cut off immediately. I'm a Sadge Sun with Aqua AC and my freedom it's much appreciated, they did not understand I need my space.

During my whole life has been that. Men find me sexy or attractive but they cheat on me, they ghost me or they friendzone me or they demand me, so I said enough to all that and I'm not interested at all in relationships anymore.

I know I have had very grounded that I'm not good enough for them but all that changed: they're not good enough for me. It's a way to soothe my soul. Now I'm single and not interested in relationships because relationships are exhausting to me. I have a strange connection that links love with sacrifice or strong responsibilities but because they demand me, and they don't give the same commitment to me.

Furthermore, I also link money with love: if I'm not at my best financial moment I don't date any guys. Because to me, love even costs money. Very strange you must think about, but my mind has very deep into it that even love it's not for free.
Sad but...

posted April 16, 2019 08:38 PM            

Hey, I feel you. To me it seems like they disappear too, to them it feels like I don't care enough/like I'm playing them or smth like that.

Don't play games with them or punish them. Just be yourself, be sincere. It's always the best especially with Saturnian people.

Natal Uranus aspects especially Uranus-Moon, Venus and DSC bring too much instabillity and sudden losses.

posted April 16, 2019 09:09 PM            

Some things like difficulty to trust others come from Pluto/Scorpio energy too.
Venus in Cap and Virgo are supposed to have high standards but I see in reality that they try too hard to keep a relationship, doing too much and taking too little if at all in return.
The sacrification thing is mistly Neptunian but when it comes to practically giving it's Capricorn/Virgo.

Would you mind sharing your birth details/natal chart and his? (the 11 years relationship). I would like to see if there are similar energies to your natal and synastry chart as my aunt's case. If you don't want to it's absolutely fine, just ignore this.

posted April 17, 2019 05:06 AM            

Hmmm I don't know the whole story though.

Maybe he lost interest or wasn't interested in that way?

Have you been together or flirting? For how long?

It depends on the rest of his chart (the chart as a whole) but the Saturnian Venus men I know took initiative, they would text and ask to meet each other etc open up gradually etc.