posted May 31, 2019 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Oh Dumuzi I care for you. I hear you man!

Its possible she works somewhere really nice were the person who hires has good instincts and a good process to weed out people who are not right for that type of career and maybe that is why you two have such different perspectives.

I personally know quite a few nurses who definitely have a calling for it but yes I too hear stories from them of nurses who dont have a calling so is a mixed bag and I get what you are saying. I have wondered if these nurses felt differently early on in their career and then burned out and stopped caring. I wonder sometimes if someday that will happen to me and if so I feel I would have to change careers.

I definitely admire nurses who have a calling for it, that is a very hard job and such a needed and valuable service.

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posted May 31, 2019 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Dude, you really don't know how to drop a subject, do you? That's probably why Mercury in Virgo doesn't sit well with you. When we're done arguing redundant details, we're done. But you like to carry it on and on and on and circle back around and talk about things that bother you from a day ago. Holy smokes.

So now I'm in denial and sad and self serving? And wrong to boot for correcting your generalizations and insults? Nice. Good way to end to an argument that I assumed was done already.

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notice how that response wasn't for you? i was explaining my view of things to her, and i did it the same day you and i had that conversation

if you cared about details you'd notice i responded to her prior to responding to you and i did that because when i responded to her you hadn't said anything yet so i didn't read your response and i didn't know you had

i wasn't bringing up an old conversation from a day earlier ranting about my feelings or some **** (like you just did lol) i was talking about it the day it happened and just airing my side of things talking about why i felt like i was right (which was in line with what she said)

i said directly to you your experiences were probably different than mine you're the one who tried to tell me they disproved the things me and other people have experienced and said i couldn't possibly know what i was talking about because you're a nurse yourself (which is ridiculous for a lot of reasons clearly)

i said what you did was sad, because you legit told me your experiences disproved and outweighed not only my experiences, but other people's as well (as if anyone is more than just a single person), doing something i find sad isn't the equivalent of you being sad and it's not really my fault if you can't take a comment about a way you're behaving as just that

i don't know you to call you sad, but i found the way you responded (trying to diminish what i said because you took a generalization too literally and assumed i also said "all" when i never did) sad, and there's a distinction

a person can do or say something without it defining them, **** happens, just like smart people can do dumb **** that doesn't change that they're intelligent

i told you before it came off as you trying to save face feeling like you had to go on like that about the industry you're a part of and "disprove" what i said (even though again i never said "everyone" or "all" and i explained to you what i meant by "full of") because it would reflect better on you and your profession

you said those things yourself i'm not really sure why you're suddenly surprised that it comes off in a way that seems like it's all about you

i said my initial comment wasn't personal to begin with and that you took it wrong, and i even acknowledged that you did care in what you're commenting on since you claim to (notice where i said nurses should be people who view the job the way you say you do?)

i acknowledged i could have phrased what i initially said better, but that doesn't change that you went off on me trying to "correct" me meanwhile you were saying **** i hadn't (using words like "all") and eventually got to a point where you were outright implying my experiences were less valid than yours again you said "disprove" not me (also by "entire medical industry" i meant there's a lot of different medical jobs and all of them have x amount of people who probably shouldn't be in the field)

even now you're harping on things that weren't said claiming i called you sad (which never happened) and ****

so yeah probably do need a translator

if you can show me where i've actually insulted you as a person rather than just commenting on your behavior in this thread or things you've said about an industry that isn't you i'd love to see it because i legit have no recollection of doing so

you take things too literally (initial problem) and to an extreme, and for as detail oriented as you claim to be you aren't making distinctions ("this thing is sad" rather than "you are sad") and you don't seem to think telling someone your experience trumps theirs and holds more weight could possibly be seen as insulting so you're blind to your own actions as well

i'm not sure why you assumed our argument was done when i responded to her without getting any feedback from me on the subject, takes two people to argue and both of them to drop it (which you're clearly not doing but go on and accuse me of it) and again i wrote what i said to her before i even saw your post

also this has nothing to do with any arguments i've had with other people here (i'm assuming you mean childofvenus because we argued once when we first started talking and have gotten along fine since and i can legit say i like her a lot, and bluesky who got banned for starting **** with people who i also had a civil conversation with afterwards and liked) so i'm not seeing how they're relevant

you weren't respectful though lol so please come down off the pedestal because when you tell someone **** that implies you know better than them over a frivolous detail you're being the exact opposite of respectful

edit: btw i said that me not being as clear as i could have been was due to drugs, you feeling insulted has nothing to do with that i was only discussing my inability to express my view as coherently as possible

posted May 31, 2019 08:11 AM            

it's at 17 degrees leo

i suppose with all that brilliance floating around if we had a serious disagreement a portal would open up to a parallel universe or some **** to account for the paradox us both being right would cause in that case

thanks i care for you too, and i'm sure she probably has had better experiences than me and works at one of the better hospitals

i know some do have better screening processes than others because i know a nurse who had a hard time finding a job due to his personality and bedside manner not being on par with what those particular hospitals wanted

i also get this feeling that she must not be in a city like ny because that does make a difference (though not always, plenty of horror stories elsewhere lol)

like i told her, her experiences are totally valid and i'm not disbelieving her

the fact that she's taking it so personally makes me assume that she really does care and really does do her job as it's meant to be done

i know a couple of people who are good at their medical job and take it seriously, same with teachers i know ones who will take money out of their own pockets to give their students as much as possible and will fight for their students etc

it's impossible to 100 percent blanket statement anything, and that's never what i'm doing when i say something even if it's a generalization (i just find them useful because sorting out a million ******* details and distinctions to everything is annoying)

but yeah it's definitely a hard job and the people who do it and do it well have my respect completely and i think they're amazing people

posted May 31, 2019 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
This topic needs to be shut down. You're using this as a playground to attack and insult anybody you disagree with your long winded rants. This has went way off topic and appears to have no chance of getting back on topic.

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i'm not attacking you though, and i did bring up the initial topic because i found where this went ironic and i was trying to circle back

"beauty of virgo" and here we are arguing lol it's funny

because this thread was literally about the more positive side of virgo and the unnecessary negativity the sign gets and then we can't even get along with each other

it's interesting to say the least

i disagreed with hypatia too and i didn't insult or attack her, and i even said i legit believe you care about your job and are good at it i'm not sure why you think i'm attacking you

i think you're being irrational here and unfairly so

i told you yesterday when i read your comment that it was cool and we could be done and then you came back today to start in on me about something i said before i read your response and responded in turn

posted May 31, 2019 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Reread your posts. You've insulted me several times, and continue your attacks every time you feel offended by a disagreement. It's not my priority to dig through 10 pages of your writing and pick out the insults.

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10 pages? that's more than an exaggeration lol you need to chill

i said that i found the things you said sad and you took it to mean something i didn't say (i never called you sad like you claimed) so i'm assuming you took other things wrong as well

i get that you find me insulting, and i'm sorry that wasn't my intention like legit actual apology here because when i say i think your actions or speech or whatever is sad that's just about that not about you as a person

i don't think what someone says is who they are, and i don't think a single conversation can ever sum anyone up that's completely unfair you know?

i do think you speak to me in a condescending manner, and i see that you take things in a way i don't intend, run with it and ignore what i'm actually saying to you and now you're trying to shut things down further because you're not getting your way

posted May 31, 2019 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I was very respectful to you and continue to be. Just because you don't like what I have to say, doesn't give you adequate reason to continue to insult me, even in references to other people. You seem to think that just because you're addressing someone else, it doesn't count. Well it does.

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i didn't insult you though, i said i believed you were good at your job lol twice actually what are you talking about?

i never called you sad or anything, and no i don't feel as though you've been respectful towards me

i've found you very condescending and while you might feel like you've acted otherwise that way that's still the impression i get (are you going to tell me my perception is irrelevant again?)

i don't feel like you're paying attention to what i say (you said it yourself that you weren't) and it seems the things you do pay attention to you take in a direction that's different than how they're meant

i get that you think you're being respectful, but you really haven't been and you were on the defense immediately

are your sun and mercury conjunct?

edit: btw i legit feel like you're speaking to me as if i'm a child who you feel like you can correct and criticize while you simultaneously go off and behave in a way that's not at all what you think

i admittedly (and i've said this a million times over) can come off as harsher than i mean i know it, so again sorry for that if that's the case but i did try to be very clear about my side of things and where i felt misunderstood (which you ignored and replaced with what you wanted to see)

posted May 31, 2019 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I restate, I continue to be respectful towards you...even when you claim that I am in denial of reality and attempt to discredit my perspective. You got off on the wrong foot with me to begin with when you insulted and attacked the entire medical industry and nursing. Did I call you names? Did I claim that you were in denial? Did I attempt to attack your character while responding to someone else? No. I was still respectful. I explained to you why I disagreed with you. It's entirely possible that you're interpreting a tone which is simply not there.

There should be no doubt which posts of yours I'm referring to.

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it's also entirely possible that you're unaware of the way you're coming off (are your sun and mercury conjunct? is your mercury combust? if it is then i understand some of the issue i'm having communicating with you)

i haven't called you names, so i'm not sure why you're asking me if you've called me any as if that proves some kind of point

i don't recall saying you were in denial i said your experiences were your own and valid several times over

i already explained what i meant by my statement about the medical industry, "the entire medical" industry is a huge industry with a lot of varied jobs, in all of them x amount of people do not belong there you continue to ignore what i actually said and focus on the wording of my initial post (an issue i have with virgo mercury) that i've now said repeatedly could have been worded better

you've mentioned discussions i've had with other people in other threads, you've brought up completely irrelevant things to criticize my manner of speaking as well so you're not even sticking to our interaction you're outsourcing to the past and then telling me you aren't criticizing me

you implied that as a nurse you know more nurses personally than i do so your opinion has more weight, even though i'd argue the opinions of patients on the care they get probably says more there which i did find rude and condescending

when you tell someone your experiences outweigh theirs it's absolutely rude and you have criticized how much i've said and read things in that haven't been there while simultaneously telling me you're not even focusing on what i'm saying

you don't have to name call to be disrespectful, and honestly i find your refusal to even consider where i might be coming from by finding your tone not to my liking (and instead telling me i'm wrong, i don't feel like i've insulted you because when i insult people i go about it very differently yet here i am apologizing for you taking me in a manner i didn't intend i'm not denying how you feel and replacing it with my own reality) another sign of disrespect

you've repeatedly placed your own perspective on a pedestal while telling me my own is wrong and irrelevant and that's not cool

i think you're mistaking not using profanity or name calling as being polite

posted May 31, 2019 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I was wrong. It's more like 20, considering every post has at least 5 paragraphs in it. And you expect me to dig through them? No. I clearly remember what you wrote, and I quoted it previously.

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paragraphs are more than a sentence, the way i tend to space things takes up space but when you condense it there's a lot less words than you're implying here

you don't remember clearly, because you've taken things wrong and out of context and are ignoring me when i say that

you told me i called you sad, and i never actually did for example

posted May 31, 2019 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
well i'll win because virgo with mercury in actually always right (leo) with uranus 3rd house etc just brilliance all around

when it comes to her denial of reality that stemned from miscommunication well... i've seen nurses fall asleep who were supposed to be watching patients, been given wrong meds (i enjoyed the surprise accidental morphine don't get me wrong, great time, but...), dealt with plenty of rude staff just in general, overheard a doctor and nurse once betting before running some tests on me that i was a drug seeker and treating me poorly until actual issues were found, known people who liked sneaking pictures of funny xrays and interesting injuries to laugh about later, knew one who stole meds etc

my friend who works in a dementia ward (and he is good with patients and does care a lot) regularly discusses all the staff who steal, treat the patients poorly, neglect patients etc

my fiancee's sister had a nurse fired when she was in the hospital because she wasnt allowed pain killers but was supposed to be able to shower for pain as often as she wanted and the nurse refused to help her and watched her suffer in spite of repeated requests for help

could keep going too, it's just a major problem in the industry and it's sad

the reality is very frequently drug users, people with mental issues, invisible illnesses, chronic illness etc get treated very poorly within the system and most people who fall under those categories will have a horror story or two (at least) about mistreatment by the medical community and i get that being a nurse makes her feel like she has to say that isn't reality, but all that does is silence a very ****** up side of the industry

so she can legit tell me forever that her experiences disprove that, but you know not how life works lol

the issue with caretaker jobs in general is that people should care (like you care, like she cares etc) but so many don't

i've seen abusive teachers, abusive nannies etc it extends beyond the medical industry because the flipside of those jobs is they're usually also a convenient outlet for people with power issues and ****

you know i'm pretty sure you're the only virgo mercury who i've been able to speak to without my virgo mercury headache coming on, i usually feel like i may as well be talking to a wall and i get the impression that it's mutual

i wonder if it's because leo mercury tends to generalize and virgo mercury doesn't at all or if it's that most people with it fall into my 12th and it's just lost on me

i imagine the 3rd house neptune probably doesn't help matters

either way i find it sort of sad to have someone in the industry tell me their perspective is more relevant than mine (i know quite a few people in the industry and have heard their stories too which don't back hers) when i personally fall into the groups of people i listed and have likely known on a personal level a lot more people in those categories than her (drug users in particular) who have had very real struggles with getting necessary treatment and dealing with poor treatment from staff in places that should have helped them

i don't personally benefit from being seen as correct here in the same way she does, and while i'm aware i could've worded what i said better (to virgo mercury standards, maybe i need a translator) i know i'm not wrong

and when it comes to you and i, i think a translator could clear that up easier since it seems more like me drug binging and such affected our conversation being as clear as it could be lol i'd allow for a draw there

which is technically a win for me too so i remain always right

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posted May 31, 2019 11:57 AM            

and the one i've repeatedly referred to where i said i found the way you were reacting sad rather than you sad (even though you've claimed otherwise)

i do feel like you're denying reality in the sense that i feel like you're not acknowledging that the other side of things in the equation (a patient's side) is just as relevant than a nurse's (if not moreso) when it comes to quality of care given and so on

you made it sound as if what you said had more weight than anything i could possibly say and i do feel like that's a denial of reality because that's not how things work

i didn't claim your experiences were wrong or invalid (i've said the opposite, repeatedly)

where are the insults and name calling?

and yeah from the beginning i told you that it came off like you were trying to save face and took an offhand comment like it was a personal insult and made it about you as a person then tried to push down the relevance of any of what i said both about the topic and about you taking me wrong

it seemed like you invalidating my opinion and upholding the integrity of the medical industry in your view was deeply important in spite of the fact that i never said all things or people in it were equal

edit: btw just throwing this out there, pretty much everyone at one point in their life or another receives medical care, most of those people will not be in the industry

posted May 31, 2019 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I went back and reread my post. I never said that my opinion had more weight than yours. Just that I had something of value to bring to the table on the subject, since you're set on discrediting my experiences. That's a nice twist on my words, though. Pretty sure I'm not the one misremembering posts here.

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i said it came off that way, just like i guess it came off like i called you "sad" even though i didn't

it's your tone, for real

just like i'm assuming it's mine for you, along with the bad start and massive amounts of miscommunication

posted May 31, 2019 12:15 PM            

just like a statistics thing

when it's come to your own patients i actually said i assumed you were good at your job, because of the way you've behaved here and how passionately you've gone on and on and on you know? i said that to hypatia too along with saying i thought good nurses were amazing people

i mean i could reserve my judgement of your skills i guess lol if that perspective is a problem to you, but i legit did not insult you in any way when it's come to your profession or your passion for it

the thing about my generalization was you took it really literally and it just wasn't meant like that and you went way off the initial point i even made with it

this is what i mean though about feeling like you're not at all actually reading what i'm saying

posted May 31, 2019 12:22 PM            

i can tell you probably dislike me as a person, and that's cool, but again you're hyperfocusing on words used ignoring how they were meant and completely not acknowledging everything that works against your narrative

posted May 31, 2019 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Thanks, Hypatia. But it would be great if he could express himself without insulting other people.

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posted May 31, 2019 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@hypatia238

btw i love the title of this thread given the virgo-virgo argument

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