posted July 04, 2020 10:27 PM            

So GM is going to name names! When JE said he was about to do the same, they killed him!

"Prince Andrew is quivering in the corner of his palace" LOL! Or at Pizza express in Woking?

How will they kill her and make it look like a suicide?

posted July 05, 2020 12:02 AM            

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw48VryHBNU

So GM is going to name names! When JE said he was about to do the same, they killed him!

"Prince Andrew is quivering in the corner of his palace" LOL! Or at Pizza express in Woking?

How will they kill her and make it look like a suicide?

Justice is extremely rare for any sexual assault survivor.

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posted July 05, 2020 01:42 AM            

"Her security is a top priority. The case is being handled extremely sensitively.”

^^^ http://www.the-sun.com/news/1082819/ghislaine-maxwell-suicide-watch-jail/

The truth will come out, there will be justice.

As for the girl who brought him 25 girls I agree she is a victim too but it utterly shocked me she did that, she was strong enough to say no to Epstein and set a boundary with him and stopped him from raping her but then pimped out 25 girls and she was raped herself before she met Epstein. I get that we are all different and she perhaps coped with the fear she felt for him by distracting him with other girls. Maybe she felt she couldn't just walk away and he will find her but he would have had to kipnap me personally to get me to cross paths with him again so how she coped shocked me deeply bc she knew how it felt to be raped and to be in a position it almost happened again and to put other girls through that knowing how is like is shocking to me that is all, I still feel compassion for her and understand psychologically how this was perhaps a survival instinct in her that kicked in and took over. She probably thought "if I help the predator by been a predator too I won't be a victim again."

posted July 05, 2020 02:09 AM            

On a side note, I sure do like GM's taste in housing, sigh.. I'd love to be on a large acreage with no other people around me..

posted July 05, 2020 03:07 PM            

I tend to feel empathy for people including people that make mistakes because we are here to learn and we make mistakes and that is often part of how we learn but if I am honest I don't feel empathy for Epstein or Maxwell, I just don't. I don't think they were abused as children and even if they were, like you said they are adults, not a 16 year old girl pimping out other girls. Teens sometimes become predators and is often because they were victimized themselves and don't know how to cope and cannot think clearly because of the trauma but once you are an adult you should know better and can make different choices and they most definitely did not.

Some people are just narcissistic sociopaths and cannot feel empathy.

With Epstein specially I see this been the case by looking at his afflicted sun stellium with Dejanira/SUN/EROS square his saturn, is like he was aroused seeen women suffering and not having power and him having all the control/power, how can someone like that be wired to feel empathy, like his reward system in the brain would get activated by NOT feeling empathy. If you are not able to feel empathy you CANNOT learn from your mistakes and realize that your choices hurt others and understand truly how your choices hurt others, people become just tools for his amusement.

On 60 minutes there is a recording of Epstein basically saying that HE knows who he is and is comfortable with his own skin. He knows he is a predator bending the world to serve his selfish needs with no regards to consequences and is at peace with it. If there is a celebrity that I have come across that 100% exemplifies what a sociopath is who is also a pedophile is Epstein.

I feel GM is the female version of him. I feel I need to see her more talking and been interviewed to get more of a sense of her but I get the impression she is the female version of him and worse bc she is a woman and should be able to feel more empathy for other women yet she does not. How did she not feel moved at some point during all these years and decided to end this and start helping these girls and make different choices?

posted July 05, 2020 04:51 PM            

Others knew there were times to play it cool, times to give favors and to bond (cigarettes and alcohol were often used for this, and are better than money when in that sitch), and times to show no mercy. Having friends and allies (even if they could betray you) was pretty much a must.

For reasons I don't feel like describing, I realized that I was very lucky to be able to join a krew/gang (at least the first time I ran away from home, the second time was unusual and I ended up in a rural region where it worked very differently than the city), even if that obligated me to take part in criminal actions (but I had more options than prostitution, and they defended me from pimps and other sexual predators, and contrary to the belief of some, I wasn't forced to provide sexual favors for anyone in my krew), and we in turn were exploited by adult criminals (sending us to steal for them, then trade our score for whatever stash they gave us which we'd then sell on the streets, and knowing more about it today I realized we were ripped off bad in addition to being made to take some of the worst risks, but still better than a pimp's stable).

An annoying thing that happened is that sometimes men would stop and claim we owed them sexual favors, that they'd already paid for us online. Apparently one or more people were taking out pix and posting them online where they "sold" us without us knowing anything about it. And that was 1998, I can only imagine what goes on now (and how iphones have changed the game).

@TaurusVenusGirl, you have my deepest sympathy. Those of our background are typically not given the same compassion that people of other traumatic and abusive relationships get, and it's hard to adjust to regular society after...especially after I've finally made it to a (lower) middle class neighborhood. If it wasn't for a very few I'd feel very alone. If there was a way to PM you I'd offer you a helpful ear (though I'm not the one to call if you want to hear new age messages of love and light--I have an inspirational side, but it's not a naive one, and my humor is very gallows, one of the healthier coping mechanisms but still disturbing to some, even though the way it works is explained very well, intentionally or not, in this Harry Potter scene )

(ETA: thought I'd given an example of "inspirational" as here as I also defended girls, and also boys. That thought of there being angels inside of us stronger than the world, rather than depending on external factors, is an empowering one for me, and I would hope others.)

And most of our background don't want to remember it, and will do all they can to destroy those memories.

But neighbors avoid more than sex trafficking. They try to "protect" their kids from any enduring abuse or neglect rather than helping. Sure they'll say they'll help, but they won't, but rather try to sweep it under the rug. Screw the kids, sometimes literally. Though the way the system often treats kids like that...I can understand why there's a certain sense of futility. And being cut off from society's support is something that draws many predators, which is why many who are abused by one and in one way will likely be abused by many others in other ways, often to be compounded when they're placed in a system where plenty with fantasies of abusing children work hard to get into (and then there's the other abused kids who can also be a major problem). If they don't start off sexually abused or exploited, there's a good chance they will be before, or very soon after, reaching adulthood.

Given the pernicious belief that people, even children, deserves what happens to them, it creates a negative view of them, which naturally causes the kids to have a justified cynical view of other adults and their hypocritical society in return, which only increases the mutual alienation (confirming the biases in both) as they get older. Very few of us can break away from that in a meaningful manner, and I know some of what I experienced and endured (and even just saw) will haunt me to my dying day, even if I live to be a hundred.

I have pondered humanity to this day (still am), and it's something I can wax on long about (the good, the bad, and the ugly), but as for the specific worship of Mammon as I call it (greed, often also associated with other forms of lust) is considered a virtue in the USA, and I'm sure many other places as well. Moderation would counter this somewhat, but to many moderation is "settling" and even a "weakness/lack of ambition." Of course that warped thinking (a survival instinct to gain both status and resources to survive gone mad) is going to filter at all levels, including in seeing children as commodities. Until relatively recently, children were even seen as free labor, and when (and where today) not prohibited from doing so, many wouldn't hesitate to send them to dangerous factories and deadly sweatshops (and you can be the kids didn't keep the money they got, either), and pimping is yet another manifestation of that (and you do NOT want to see the "menus" of some brothels back in Victorian times, which often included children at increased prices for various reasons).

I'm glad some efforts are being made to stamp it out, and it's often so easy as to go to certain spots and just wait to bust some, though the dark web (using criminal browswers and the like) surely make it harder to stop (though I could see that being turned against them). It might mean some child sex tourism spots will actually have to live up to their preaching.

There was a time that Thailand, for all its talk about hating child sex tourists, would still allow it, and when the children learned to use knock out drugs on the tourists before having to have sex with them and take their money (which could kill tourists, or cause them to fall prey to other criminal elements as they tried to make it back to their ship all groggy, or just plain ripped off) the Thai police went in and busted young skulls to remind them of their place as sex toys (and importance to Thai economy). I understand it's getting harder, especially with new laws passed that will allow the home nation to still prosecute child sex tourists upon their return.

A guy who once served in the Navy told me that when a Filipino child, not even a teen, picked his pocket, he told a Filipino soldier to stop him, only to be shocked that the soldier shot the little boy in the back. The soldier got the wallet and returned it to the US Naval guy with a smile, apparently undisturbed about shooting a little boy to death (who likely had to steal a certain amount of money or be beaten by adults, possibly his own parents). It implies that some just aren't seen as fully human and thus can be exploited in any ways (and get angry when the tables are turned even in the most trivial of ways).

But getting back to whistleblowers, Kathryn Bolkovac brought in evidence of UN soldiers and bureaucrats being involved in sex trafficking (both the traffic, and in raping of young children) and was told to destroy the evidence, stymied, and she with others were fired and implied they were the guilty ones, but Kathryn saved her proof. I remember how it was briefly headlines in the US, but then the story was quickly squashed before it could get any traction, though they did make a movie about her many years later. Also, as a whistleblower no police department wanted to hire her in spite of her intensive experience. (I wonder if she tried the FBI, they'll bust corrupt cops and prosecute them in federal courts, though I'm not certain exactly how that works, nor fully trust the FBI either. But they should've been glad to get her assuming they're telling the truth about their mission, which is assuming a lot, perhaps too much.) When the most powerful nations of the world put more effort into silencing her than in stopping trafficking, then that's a very disturbing thought.

Interesting enough, Abu Ghraib is another example of humanity's evil. I won't link to it because of the graphic pix, but men AND women were sexually abusing prisoners (some whose only crime was having the wrong last name or being in the wrong place at the wrong time), forcing them into sex acts, leading them around naked on leashes, and also giving the thumbs up over torture victims and corpses (women were engaged in this sickening behavior along with the men). They seemed genuinely surprised that this made the world see THEM as the bad guys rather than the prisoners, and that it helped to grow the ranks of terrorist cells, apparently unable to recognize humanity in other humans (or that if such evil were done to us by invaders we'd responded in much the same way as those growing number of terrorists did). And though a few were given slaps on the wrist (more than the My Lai massacre at least, speaking of which, funny given how little those who murdered hundreds of men, women, and children got while the very same nation rended its garments over the murders ordered by Charles Manson at the very same time, even while defending evil far more intense and wanting the mass murderers pardoned), the US government was more concerned with making sure more selfies and the like didn't get out rather than in stopping the abuses, which rest assured, still go on (as they do all over the world, karma and God and all those other concepts be damned).
http://youtu.be/t3SvjiHaTXc?t=16

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Underneath it all, we're just savages
Hidden behind shirts, ties and marriages
How could we expect anything at all
We're just animals, still learning how to crawl

We live, we die
We steal, we kill, we lie
Just like animals
But with far less grace
We laugh, we cry
Like babies in the night
Forever running wild
In the human race

Another day, another tale of rape
Another ticking bomb to bury deep and detonate
I'm not the only one who finds it hard to understand
I'm not afraid of God
I'm afraid of Man

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posted July 07, 2020 06:10 PM            

If she doesn't she'll have to name names and that a death/suicide sentence.

posted July 10, 2020 08:44 AM            

But in some places in India, and Africa, it's normal. In some dire areas of India, families will pimp out their 10-year-old daughter (sometimes even younger) just so they can eat. Then you have child brides in the middle east, and even some stories make it here of the 6-8 year old girls dying after consummating their marriage. Arranged marriages are a form of prostitution, as well.

Some people just blame poverty (which isn't true in the developed world, with rampant pedophilia).

On the other hand, you have people who live in poverty who are perfectly sweet and would never sell their child.

posted July 12, 2020 02:50 PM            

No astrology. This guy is just as gross as them, if this is true, because he didn’t report them. They supposedly showed him videos to convince him of the power they held over prominent people. Off to be sick now.

Back: I heard about this Wayfair scandal that popped up out of nowhere, due to a reddit user asking if something could be possible. They didn’t say they were doing anything, but now we have this. My first thought was that it was something new, cooked up in an election year, and the only thing that could save rump right now. Pox News cut him out of a picture with Epstein, even though they’ve been all over the place for years. One of Maxwell’s accusers also accused trump, but that’s forgotten by his supporters.

posted July 13, 2020 11:35 PM            

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There are indeed kids on the streets who feel you have to be a hammer or a nail, a lamb or a wolf.

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I totally agree with this. I am just having a real hard time feeling Maxwell or Epstein are not actual sociopaths because some people are born sociopaths and I don't get the sense either of them feel empathy.

I feel when a teenager abuses another teenager because they were abused themselves is wrong but I have a lot of compassion for them and understand they were acting out and did not truly know they were doing something wrong, it was normalized for them and their ability to process and think clearly and make good choices was taken from them, I see another teenager or kid crying out for help and acting out their own abuse but if that teenager or kid turns into an adult and continues to hurt other people at that point it is a choice.

As an adult you have had more time to process and think and re-evaluate and are simply a lot more aware of what you are doing and why you are doing it. This is why I hate the term "child on child abuse," I don't feel that is fair to call it that, I am pretty confident that every time a teen or child "abuses" another teen or child they are repeating what was done to them, their sexuality was activated prematurely during a time their brain is not truly able to process the experience and make sense of it or create meaning out of it and they are just feeling sensations without cognitively understanding what is happening and then go and do it to someone else without getting their consent like it was done to them too, thinking that this is normal and then BAM child protective services gets involved and they are ripped out of their homes and taken away from their family and forever labelled as abusers. That totally breaks my heart too, is an all around F up situation.

However, you can argue that because of trauma some adults get stuck in development at the age they experienced trauma and their brains do not continue to develop like it normally would, brain development becoming partially disrupted in some cases perhaps permanently impacting their judgment and ability to control their impulses and make decisions.

posted July 13, 2020 11:55 PM            

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Wow thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread...I just. wow. They say As ABOVE so BELOW, and wow wow wow where her planets in some interesting positions the day she descended to the Earth Arena....

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posted July 14, 2020 12:31 AM            

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No astrology. This guy is just as gross as them, if this is true, because he didn’t report them. They supposedly showed him videos to convince him of the power they held over prominent people. Off to be sick now.

Back: I heard about this Wayfair scandal that popped up out of nowhere, due to a reddit user asking if something could be possible. They didn’t say they were doing anything, but now we have this. My first thought was that it was something new, cooked up in an election year, and the only thing that could save rump right now. Pox News cut him out of a picture with Epstein, even though they’ve been all over the place for years. One of Maxwell’s accusers also accused trump, but that’s forgotten by his supporters.

Anyway, I wondered if Wayfair has a birth chart for their company, and what sort of transits they’re under, to be hit with such an accusation.

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There is zero record of anyone seeing Trump at PEDO island or of TRUMP ever been on Pedo island not even one time yet there is a clear record of Bill Clinton been on Pedo island 26 times yet the media rarely shows pictures of this, it mentions it briefly on the documentary but the media hyper focuses on the few pictures of Trump with Epstein even though they have nothing else other than that.

There are a ton of pictures of Epstein with a bunch of people, Epstein been in a picture with someone does not mean that person engaged in child abuse or is a pedo.

Trump is a business man and knows a lot of people and a big reason why people voted for him is precisely so he clears out all the Pedophiles ruling the world that have been part of our government. At some point of him knowing Epstein he learned what Epstein and Maxwell were about is the sense I get and so he cut ties with them. Trump then started to get interested in politics when he realized the huge connection there is between politics and the Illuminati which is behind all this pedophilia, sex trafficking, ritual child abuse, sacrificing children in rituals etc...Alex Jones has been talking about all this for decades, trying to bring this all into light and Trump listens to Alex Jones and went on his show a number of times. Part of Trump's agenda is to expose all this and help bring this into light and Justice.

It would be extremely surprising if there ends up been any concrete connection of Trump and Pedo island other than a picture of him with Epstein which is not proof of anything and 100% pure speculation, as your article pointed out and the documentary on Epstein Filthy Rich, Epstein kept cameras everywhere in all the rooms, he has video records of the people actively engaged in this crime/lifestyle so if Trump has anything to do with this it will be in those videos and clear as day light.

In the mean time there are a ton of pictures of Biden sniffing on women and little girls and touching a bunch of little girls in plane view inappropriately and there is a picture of him kissing in the mouth his full grown granddaughter. Is mainstream media showing any of those pictures?

Bush who is a "Republican" is endorsing Biden because Bush was always a globalist and was never a Republican and is part of the Illuminati like the Clintons and Obama and they are all on the same side and Trump is attacked by all of them and the media because he is not a globalist. There is a reason why the Patriot ACT and the twin towers terrorist attack happened under the Bush administration and so many people think is an inside job.

posted July 14, 2020 12:59 AM            

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/ne ws/2019/aug/14/joe-rogan-says-misunderstood-alex-jones-was-right-/

posted July 14, 2020 07:46 PM            

If Biden is one of them, get him. Get all of them - and let trump’s accuser speak. She dealt with death threats (I will never understand the people who do that).

posted July 17, 2020 09:52 PM            

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posted August 05, 2020 11:32 PM            

What I want is the VIDEOS Epstein kept to blackmail people that recorded the people in power committing pedophilia. I want that to get unleash, why are they not talking about these videos?

That is ultimately hard evidence and what needs to be unlocked and not buried.

Enough Fu*king around, lets get to the bottom of all this, the videos would be a good start at least. I feel we are just tip toeing around but maybe I am very impatient.