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posted July 03, 2020 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What kind of woman would you have to be to want to groom girls for sex to an old pedophile and a bunch of other dirty old men!?

I've seen a lot of **** in my life, but women pimping out girls!? WTF is wrong with them!? Some women even pimping out their own children!!? What desire do they have to ruin their kids lives like that?!

Below is a link of a former prossie telling her story of how her mother was a prostitute and told her own daughter to get into the industry. I see a girl who's mother failed her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or6B73GGCjw&t=16s


As a female, I have always found it my duty to look after and care for other younger girls, especially from predatory men as I know what they are like and have been on the receiving end.

But what could make a woman what to procure girls like she did!

The link says that most females in prostitution are Capricorn Suns and then followed by Leo. Jizzlane has both a Capricorn Sun and Leo Moon.
http://astrologyresearch.co.uk/research-into-prostitution/

I highly doubt she will make it to the courthouse. There will be no Justice. She's clearly going to "suicide" with her toothbrush.

Once in her cell, the camera's will be unplugged again with all members of staff asleep....

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posted July 03, 2020 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 04, 2020 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soulsjourney     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like something is happening with her Moon and Neptune and Jupiter.

It seems like extreme desire and comfort to live in a fantasy world.

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posted July 04, 2020 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And her desire of life and comfort is why she'd procure girls for sex for her own benefit. Why work when you can be a pimp.

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posted July 04, 2020 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen a different birth time, which iirc is correct. I'll see if I can find it.

Maxwell's North Node is conjunct the Moon, which suggests that in this lifetime, the nurturing, protective, feminine qualities represent a forward step in her evolution?

However, with her stellium in Capricorn, she manifested the lower aspect of the sign, which is to use people. Also, head rules heart?

The hard aspect of Jupiter to a Leo Moon can be self-centered and self-indulgent. As has been mentioned, the t-square with Neptune may indicate a tendency to self-deception and a kind of manic inflation in how she viewed herself. This configuration would indicate she doesn't see herself and the reality of her actions clearly. Or, if she did in some fleeting way, it would be dismissed by self-serving ego needs.

On a deeper level, as she went about abusing young girls she was also violating the most vulnerable and innocent part of herself (Leo Moon).

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posted July 04, 2020 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Girl I hear you!

I started to watch the Epstein Documentary yesterday on Netflix.

There was a girl who refused to do certain things with Epstein and he then asked her to recruit girls for him and she brought him about 25 girls and he would pay her $200 for each! I was in shock, she hated the experience she had with Epstein, she knew it in her bones it was wrong, she had enough courage to tell him she will not take off her clothes and does not want to do certain things with him and then she turns around and brings him 25 girls when she could have avoided seeing him ever again.

She said she has felt bad for years about that but is done punishing herself and feeling guilty and reported "I was just 16 and he was the adult." I get that and I don't want her to punish herself eternally but my GOD it makes no sense to me she brought him 25 young girls when she hated her experience with him, like WTFFFFFFFFFFF.

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posted July 04, 2020 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is very interesting guys both Epstein and Maxwell have VENUS conjunct MARS trine URANUS. Both have EROS in AQUARIUS conjunct in Synastry. Epstein has SUN conjunct EROS and Maxwell's SATURN in CAPPY at 29 degrees is on his SUN conjunct EROS, she has SATURN conjunct EROS.

In composite they have a tight stellium in AQUARIUS between EROS/VENUS/PHOLUS/MARS/CHIRON/DEJANIRA OPPOSING URANUS!. In the documentary you learn they sometimes molested these girls together, there was at least one case were they did it together in the first episode.

Disregard times of birth please:

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posted July 04, 2020 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in Capricorn at 29 degrees conjunct EROS in aquarius can explain her high risk career pimping out girls.

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posted July 04, 2020 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking as one who has ultimately came of age on the streets as a runaway (and the giddy feeling I had when I was 18, and the cops could no longer come after me for that), and having been around enough victims, from on the streets, to friends before that, to PTSD groups after all that...

LOTS of women are involved, and will trade even their own children (or lure in a sister, or even aid a serial killer) in exchange for money, drugs, even the presence of a man. I remember one mother who didn't even deny that the 13-year-old with us (runaways) was sexually abused, but said outright that he would leave her if the little girl didn't come back (but did promise "he wouldn't do it anymore" which not even children believed, and by her tone of voice, I don't think the mother believed it either). That is she wanted her man, though whether she was more interested in his money or some social status of not being left isn't something I could say. The mother didn't seem to care her husband was more interested in her underage daughter (and therefore likely to leave soon enough as the daughter matured unless there were younger sisters).

Women can be the abusers themselves. That generally seems to be based on self-hate (and, like male abusers, often with a history of having been sexually abused themselves), though some are just after their own pleasure...some are opportunistic (having a child help with sex toys, for example, to fill the void of a lost adult) while others, like some male abusers, may see themselves as a certain age (typically a teenager, and this seems to be the bulk of female teachers that sexually abuse boys, she wants to be seen as one of the kids). 'Course, there are reasons to think it's true pedophilia. It's unfortunate that women are often overlooked when it comes to these studies.

(Just like in so many experiments of sadism, like administering electrical shocks for wrong answers, or so the students being experimented on thought, they only got males under the naive belief women would never do such a thing, until women were included and they most certainly did--and if anything, were inclined to torture other women more than men, though perhaps men took more pleasure in torturing other men over women as well, I don't know, and it hasn't been looked at closer as far as I can tell).

So as for reasons...

Women has much potential as men to be monsters, and may even see it as a bonding experience with another monster, the only one who understands him and would do anything for him so he is then obligated to love her unconditionally in turn. (LOTS of women go for toxic men, even our literature is indicative of that, though it's also coming out that men are also attracted to bad women. By "bad women" I don't mean promiscuous as many others do, but as more sociopaths, narcissists, and the like. I've known foolish men who thought they could change my mother just as there are foolish women who thought they could change my dad. Men and women are more alike than many realize, it's society's expectations and thus how they treat it that's so different. Naturally, criminals realize the value of this and thus see a strategic value of using women in their crimes, just as other adult criminals will use/exploit kids in non-sexual crimes.)

Women can come under the sway of Stockholm Syndrome and thus begin working for a sex abuser as an accomplice. (However much I bristle when feminists try to absolve women of all moral and intellectual responsibility while simultaneously demanding equal rights without equal responsibility, I know this is a real thing that can affect males and females alike, however much I once homicidally loathed females who worked with pimps to help capture us girls, not to say the boys weren't also targeted by perverts and/or fleeing sexually abusive homes.)

Sometimes it's just for material gain, a very human trait that the United States takes excessive pride in and tend to believe it makes for a good society and government (I do not, but am a minority in that belief system). Our national slogan should be "It's just business." That excuses a multitude of sins.

Such women are much more common than I think you realize (*). I'd say a dime a dozen. And many are catty to other females, not protective, and can be as competitive as any man, even if it's strictly in "romance." Deals with the devil aren't uncommon.

(* I don't blame you for not knowing. Society has its delusions that it reinforces while ignoring facts to the contrary and that gets passed to members of that society. Sexual abuse of females--but rarely of males, be it by other males or by females--can touch on many people so the talk shows focus on it so they can exploit their pain to sell ads, and I definitely include Oprah in this mindset. Runaways are usually cast in a bad light to make the mother sympathetic despite that abuse that elicits hugs otherwise was often the reason for kids to run to the streets where they often suffer even worse abuse, assuming that's possible, but to hug a runaway would be to make mothers feel bad, so the shows targeting the physically mature woman demographic avoid it to protect their ad revenue, which in turn affects what people are willing to talk about, even in regards to their own experiences.)

The point being they're no more the exception than men, though less likely to brag about it and often knowledgeable on how to exploit society's mistaken assumption that women are above this.

And it's so rampant, even to our teacher unions having a passing the trash practice, police have something similar which includes hiding cops who committed statutory rape on minors while pretending to be a high school dealer to a local cop who sexually assaulted a woman, no denial, and he was just transferred to another department less than a 2 hour drive away.

Oklahoma City said prostitution, especially child prostitution (some put out there by their mothers, btw) was virtually nonexistent in their city until a citizen went around recording it, including a woman abducted in broad daylight by her pimp as cars on a highway zipped on by without slowing (he did call the police as he taped it), and it couldn't be denied anymore. (He's since been arrested, and I believe set up, he's been at odds with local police for years over their inaction and outright corruption, not to mention a threat to other powerful people, and I'm surprised he was even allowed to live at all but I guess they just didn't want to turn him into a martyr, especially after he was featured on one of the nationwide news shows.)

Same for clergy which many can't accept because of both the tribal nature (which short circuits reason in the brain, and there's a good chance they knew and did nothing which they don't want coming out), and because it makes them question their faith that their god/religion makes them better people (when it most certainly does not).

How can I forget how prostitutes are fined and then turned loose to turn the tricks to pay the fine? That is the state is a pimp who wants the money to keep rolling in no matter what act they give on how much they'd like to stop it. (And they don't do it because of their sun, but typically because they're forced into it somehow. Many are forced on drugs by their pimps and traffickers as well.)

On top of that is the everyday people, men and women, who turned a blind eye out of convenience, and because at least deep down when know what happens to whistleblowers more often than not, so it's a survival instinct to keep silent. And that makes people feel bad. So they convince themselves it's not really a problem and/or that the victim had it coming (especially pernicious with those who believe in "just karma" which has facilitated all sorts of abuse and atrocities, not just against females who are sexually abused, and thus a belief that needs to die despite the false comfort it gives so many).

But ignoring it doesn't make the guilt go away, so many look for scapegoats. And a very popular one is Hollywood, which is going to be ad revenue gold in any case. At least in this case I think it's a scapegoat well chosen since those with money, power, clout, and powerful connections are going to be prone to excesses, which includes Caligula like perversion. ("Grab 'em by the ***** " Trump, himself known to mix with Hollywood types and go their parties, also with Maxwell, is actually pretty mild compared to some US Presidents in that regard, and the secret service will help them with it, even warning them when their wives are coming.) And so they turn their rage on Hollywood, just to keep from turning it on themselves. At least many of them do (I'm sure many are truly naive that are truly shocked to learn of its existence since it's the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about, at least beyond the scapegoats for the sins of everyone else).

The point being I think astrology is the wrong approach to understanding this...and though it can be interesting to study the chart of individual members known without a doubt to be involved in such things, the last thing I'd want to see is studying their charts only to turn placements so many people have into red flags that they don't deserve to be, or making someone "appear innocent in their chart" when they're not.

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posted July 04, 2020 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot that she's having her second Saturn return, too.

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posted July 04, 2020 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:

Such women are much more common than I think you realize (*). I'd say a dime a dozen. And many are catty to other females, not protective, and can be as competitive as any man, even if it's strictly in "romance."


My sister being one, although she wasn't sexually abusive. Keeping her husband around was more important than anything else. He was the best, I was trash for saying anything against him. I grew up watching men come between women, play them against each other - my mother and her sisters had the same thing done to them. My mother wouldn't put up with it, but one of her sisters did, and then when it was my sister's turn, they backed her up because the fiance/husband is more important than anything else.

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posted July 04, 2020 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Low self esteem.Apathy.Low self worth

Neptune in Sco square Moon. I don't think she ever had clear boundaries in her life.

Add to that Chiron in Pisces opp Pluto/ Uranus in Virgo.

My thinking is that she herself may have been violated in the same way.

There was likely no protection from elders. Exposed to things that were not age appropriate.

I wish there was tob🤔

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posted July 04, 2020 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Low self esteem.Apathy.Low self worth

Neptune in Sco square Moon. I don't think she ever had clear boundaries in her life.

Add to that Chiron in Pisces opp Pluto/ Uranus in Virgo.

My thinking is that she herself may have been violated in the same way.

There was likely no protection from elders. Exposed to things that were not age appropriate.

I wish there was tob🤔


The fact that her moon is in leo and Neptune in scorpio and both rule sex perhaps can play out as poor boundaries (neptune) around sex or sexualizing (scorpio) children (leo) by grooming them while she plays this maternal role in a sense (moon).

I have moon square neptune though and would never do something like that. I have always felt a very strong innate value that innocence is something beautiful that should be protected, we all eventually lose our innocence at some point but that shouldn't be rushed or manipulated, it should happen on its own organically when the person is ready and innitiates this process through questioning, seeking answers and seeking out experiences in their own terms when they feel ready.

I do have Eros in Leo conjunct ANGEL squaring Saturn in Scorpio and Saturn rules my 2H of values, maybe with angel there this is why I feel strongly innocence is something pure that should be protected and not messed with.

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posted July 04, 2020 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure if it is low self-worth, though. What if it's entitlement? She missed having money, she was broke when her father died/was killed. I read a long article about her yesterday, she involved herself with very rich men, and had moved on from Epstein for a while, with another man. I think this was after she "aged out" for him, but then he wanted her back, to keep him in girls.

I haven't watched the documentary, because I've been trying to lighten up - I've avoided that, Tiger King, etc. A friend of mine said his wife watches all manner of freaky "true crime" shows, but that with Tiger King, she actually paused it and said, "I need a minute." It's enough for me to know that she's been arrested, and will hopefully talk.

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posted July 04, 2020 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrodienst has a birth time for her: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Maxwell,_Ghislaine

3:20pm gives her a Gemini ascendant, meaning the eclipses over the past month, have hit her 1st and 7th houses, and I mentioned in another thread, the one two weeks ago, was directly opposite her Mars.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Maxwell,_Ghislaine

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posted July 04, 2020 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got this gut feeling after I posted my last response on this thread that someone here is feeling a lot of shame and I felt in my heart I should say to this person that they have been forgiven.

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posted July 04, 2020 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not feeling any shame, I'm trying to avoid anything that stresses me out. I know what I believe, I just need to avoid arguing about it. I want to be able to talk about things, and to be able to disagree, with friends. Without being shunned. What I'm sorry for, was pointless arguing. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I wish we had private messages here.

I'm p!ssed that my sister sold me out for an ass who tried to cheat on her, who messed with her head, and shat on my family. When I was a child, I decided that I would never participate in what I'd seen adults do - men coming between women, like my Uncle hitting on my mother, and his wife defending him, and throwing us out, because he said things would be better if my mother wasn't around. My sister did the exact same thing.

I've just watched episode 7, season 2 of Sex Education, where girls come together and support each other, instead of tearing each other apart. I like that. That's what friendship is to me, but it's also what I wish I saw from more women in the world.

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posted July 04, 2020 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wasn't talking about you Teasel. I would have addressed you directly if I was talking about you. IDK who I AM talking about but I knew it was not you or anyone participating on the thread by responding to thread, is someone just reading the thread and is a woman.

I would appreciate it if you ask me in the future if I am talking about you if you suspect I am talking about you. I notice you often think I am talking about you when I am not, it has happened multiple times. I will quote you or use ^^ if I am talking about you.

ADDED: or I will say something like @Teasel

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It appeared right after I posted, I can delete if you want. The rest of my post was something I added, after watching that show.

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posted July 04, 2020 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 04, 2020 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is fine Teasel, you can delete if you want or keep it but it wasn't about you, is a coincidence, I was in the car when I had the gut instinct and couldn't respond in the moment but is not about you .

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Is fine Teasel, you can delete if you want or keep it but it wasn't about you, is a coincidence, I was in the car when I had the gut instinct and couldn't respond in the moment but is not about you .

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http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Maxwell,_Ghislaine


Pluto in her 5th, trine Jupiter in the 10th. I think the eclipse in December, hit her Sun, as well - that's when she rented the house that was mentioned when she was arrested.

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posted July 04, 2020 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay I am in the middle of episode 3 of Epstein Filthy Rich Netflix Documentary...

One of the victims who was raped in his island who was then 21 said that while he raped her she could tell that the more he broke her the more excited he would get and then his SUN stellium made sense to me, he gets excited by breaking teens and women, trauma fragments people and breaks them up that is why multiple personality disorder is an extreme reaction to extreme trauma, the personality literally breaks up to cope with the trauma.

His SUN stellium:

DEJANIRA IN CAPRICORN AT 27D07
SUN IN CAPRICORN AT 29D56
EROS IN AQUARIUS AT 1D25
PHOLUS IN AQUARIUS AT 1D55

That EROS and DEJANIRA on his sun explains how victimizing and sexually abusing women or teens sexually arouses him!

The EROS conjunct SUN and Dejanira also explains his infamous CHARM and ability to use this charm to manipulate people in general including business man and man in power.

He really is a narcissist, sociopath and con-artist who liked to be in control and was sexually aroused by victimization and abuse and enjoyed been in control of and creating scenarios were girls and women were victimized (EROS is erotic love and loves to create).

Interesting enough his MARS is not afflicted, he does have Venus conjunct MARS in Aquarius which are also tightly trine URANUS which in combo with his SUN stellium which is afflicted says it all.

His SUN is afflicted squaring SATURN, he has DEJANIRA/SUN/EROS STELLIUM squaring his SATURN.

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posted July 04, 2020 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Women has much potential as men to be monsters, and may even see it as a bonding experience with another monster, the only one who understands him and would do anything for him so he is then obligated to love her unconditionally in turn.

This is such an interesting thought. But I guess it makes sense from one "Monster" to another.

Sex trafficking is such a huge and hidden problem. JE and GM just did it through luxury with lots of money thrown at the victims and it seems drugs weren't involved.

Unlike the sex trafficking that was happening online through the Backpage website. There's a documentary on it called "I am Jane Doe". There are stories of 14 year old girls first being drugged and raped by a family member then being trafficked online. Even though they took the webpage down, it doesn't make a difference as they will just found a different platform.

I remember seeing girls as young as 12 when I was on the street, selling themselves for $20. To buy a packet of cigarettes, a weekly bus pass and a hot meal with change left over (life was cheaper back then, $20 doesn't get you very far now). I've also seen girls that young go off with grown men for the night to their place just so they had somewhere to sleep.

I remember having to hold onto a girl and fighting off a grown man from taking her into his car. She didn't want to go, but he insisted so I stepped in and we could both fight him off. It was a struggle especially when we were both so young and vulnerable. **** he hated me for protecting her. But it was always such a natural instinct for me to do this.

I too have seen the JE doco on Netflix. I do not blame that girl for bringing 25 girls to JE. She was 16! Even though this is something that wouldn't even cross my mind, I see her as his victim too.

I would know that is was wrong at that age, and my natural instinct to protect would of kicked in, but we are all different and develop at different ages.

BUT and fully grown woman like GM grooming girls with an for him!? This is a person that is so vastly different to my way of thinking!

I know of a grown woman who is a prostitute. She eventually turned her own child into a prostitution. Mind you, her kid is a grown adult who was in her 30's when she entered the industry. Her kid lives with her at 30. Has never lived independently and always had her hand in her mothers pocket. Prior to working in the sex industry she worker a few hours here and there as a waitress for a catering company which is minimum wage. Not enough to get by and pay rent/mortgage while having a life in the city they live in.

Her mother ruined her child's life. Her child hasn't got what it takes to better her education as she takes after her mother, who is not very intelligent. She could now never have a normal job as it couldn't afford her daily living expenses and if her mother said you will have to move out now and make it on your own, she couldn't unless she turned to the sex trade to make ends meet. She is now ****** , because of what her mother did to her!

When I was in primary school there was a girl in my class, I never liked. Her mother came to the school and I always saw her to be a skank. However in high school I became friends with her. I would walk to her house before class as it was on the way and go to her's after school. We got there about 3.30pm. Whenever we started waking up the driveway there was always a old man leaving, I would say to my friends "Who's that?", my friend what say "Thats mum's boyfriend Peter", so I would be like "Bye Peter!!". 'Peter' would just put his down down pull his cap over his eyes and just nod at me. The next day, same again, but I would be like," But Peter looks different?". My friend always insisted that every man I ever saw at her house was her mum's boyfriend 'Peter'. 'Peter' was always a different man. I found it odd, but never questioned it. She moved away and I didn't see her again.

Fast forward to when we were age 20, another mutual friend whom I was still friends with saw her and she told her she was a hooker. She was 20 and drove a BMW.

So then it all clicked who 'Peter' was! So this girl probably had no chance as she just ended up following her into her mothers career.

Both these women sold their own daughters into the sex industry and they dont even see it that way.

Now I know why my parents didn't want me hanging out with her. They probably knew!

All of these women just dont give a flying f u c k who they destroy on the way. But it will catch up with them.. eventually.. somehow. Just like it did with GM.

How does the love of money and comfort override the health and wellness of another individual justify it.. My mind boggles.

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