posted October 01, 2021 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
Won't happen.

My Venus is tightly conjunct my Neptune and Uranus. People can't help but leave me high and dry. Every girl just wants to screw me and bounce. It's hard being a badass.

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Nevermind your Venus. Venus conjunct Neptune and Uranus is not a woman repellent aspect.

I am curious about your moon. Moon tells more about a man's feelings and attitudes toward women. You sound like someone whose moon is getting trashed by Saturn, Pluto or Mars.

posted October 01, 2021 02:59 PM            

You are Scorpio rising. Scorpio rising tend to be fanatical, and can be rather inflexible in the way it views the world. Your chart dual ruler of Mars is at the top of your chart, signaling a fighting nature and path. So everything tends to be a battle for you.

You have moon-mercury conjunction in Aqua opposed by your Mars in Leo.

Also your moon/mercury conjunction squares your ascendant and descendant. Just like your Mars squares your ascendant and descendant.

So your moon is caught in a grand cross involving ascendant, descendant, moon/mercury, mars. And I just noticed your moon is square your nodes also.

T Saturn in Aqua has been activating this grand cross even more so.

posted October 01, 2021 06:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have NEVER liked the idea of depending on a man and if I ever were to marry a rich guy I have NO issues at all signing a PRENUP so I am certainly not a gold digger and guys being rich does not impress me, like sure its always good when any human has their sh*t together but we all should have our sh*t together, you telling me you make a ton of money will not make me feel more attracted to you. In fact when I met my husband he was living in an office sleeping on the floor but he was charming, confident, very funny and he is very smart with a high IQ but has ADD.

I care about your heart, you have to have a good heart even if you have a "tough" exterior or like dark humor and can seem cocky, I care about honesty and authenticity (feeling comfortable being yourself and knowing who you are), charm, brains. I like it if you are your own person and its cool if a guy can be humble and cocky at the same time. Someone in touch with their emotions and not afraid of them is hot too.

Sun in Virgo
VENUS conjunct MARS in LEO in the 8th
DC in GEMINI
Mercury in Virgo in the 9th
Juno in Taurus in the 4th house conjunct 5th cusp

I was the breadwinner for 5 years and I will say this, I don't mind making more money but its important we both earn a living and contribute to the bills ect....I dont want to ever depend on anyone financially but don't want someone to depend on my financially either. I want us to both be in a strong position. I will always be able to support myself and don't need to be rescued but just came back from a trip and my husband covered ALL the costs and it felt really nice to have someone take care of everything for once, I felt taken cared of fully and we all need that from time to time, is nice we are finally at that point were there is a balance of power between the two of us.

I should add my second house ruler is Uranus and Saturn:

Uranus conjuncts Jupiter and falls in the 12th
Saturn conjuncts Pluto and falls in the 10th

So I believe in hard work and financial responsibility but I am also not attached to money or things.

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You've got quite an unusual and fascinating viewpoint, just like your chart.

What is going on with your 5th house? Would you think that the idea of having children might or could possibly alter some of your positions on not caring about whether or not your man has some money or you being fine with being the sole breadwinner?

posted October 01, 2021 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
That’s interesting. My Uranus in H2 opposite my H1/8 ruler Venus (conjunct Jupiter). My H1 ruler Venus also rules my southnode. My financial independence is really important to me. I would feel very limited in my freedom if I would not be able to support myself financially.

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So interesting! Love it, thanks for sharing.

I think Uranus connected to the 2H needs to feel financially independent, they won't ever feel comfortable depending on someone else fully, they need to make their own money to some extent at least, enough to be able to pay for all their bills on their own ideally and they will actively strive for financial independence if they are not there yet.

My sister has Uranus and northnode in the 2nd house and she moved out of my parent's first as she is the oldest and bought herself an apartment after renting for a while, she was single when she bought her apartment. She is still not quite yet were she wants to be financially bc I think the northnode makes this more of a journey for her but she has always been independent financially, we both are, like I know she will always be financially independent and so will I, we may experience set backs but we handle it and are on it. Uranus is also comfortable with making changes and taking chances necessary to advance and grow financially and can be creative and resourceful.

With my brother his VENUS rules his IC and conjuncts Jupiter on the 8th house cusp and he never become financially independent, still depends on my mom, add he has MOON in TAURUS conjunct MARS (moon rules his chart). I feel he has a co-dependent personality disorder and part of it is his personality for sure, it would be unfair to put it all on my mom, its a combo of her personality and his personality resulting in co-dependency. Yet my sister and I are nothing like that with Uranus influencing strongly our 2H, we value financial independence and freedom a lot.

posted October 01, 2021 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
You've got quite an unusual and fascinating viewpoint, just like your chart.

What is going on with your 5th house? Would you think that the idea of having children might or could possibly alter some of your positions on not caring about whether or not your man has some money or you being fine with being the sole breadwinner?

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Venus also rules my 5th house and Mars rules my 4th:
VENUS conjuncts MARS in LEO in the 8th

Since VENUS rules my 10th house too, even if I had kids I just don't see myself ever being a stay at home mother, I need to at least work 3 days a week, I like I am doing private practice now so if I do end up having kids I have freedom of how to set up my schedule etc and this will allow me to enjoy my role as a mother while still being a career woman.

I am NOT fine with being the SOLE breadwinner at all, I did it for 5 years out of the 14 years I have been with him and he is back on track and doing well financially now. I said I think both people should work and contribute to the bills and have their own extra money to spend etc. I just don't mind it if I make more money either, my mother is a doctor and my father is a therapist but was a business man for a while and once we moved to the USA my mother started making more money as a doctor than my father and I don't see a problem with this.

posted October 01, 2021 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Venus also rules my 5th house and Mars rules my 4th:
VENUS conjuncts MARS in LEO in the 8th

Since VENUS rules my 10th house too, even if I had kids I just don't see myself ever being a stay at home mother, I need to at least work 3 days a week, I like I am doing private practice now so if I do end up having kids I have freedom of how to set up my schedule etc and this will allow me to enjoy my role as a mother while still being a career woman.

I am NOT fine with being the SOLE breadwinner at all, I did it for 5 years out of the 14 years I have been with him and he is back on track and doing well financially now. I said I think both people should work and contribute to the bills and have their own extra money to spend etc. I just don't mind it if I make more money either, my mother is a doctor and my father is a therapist but was a business man for a while and once we moved to the USA my mother started making more money as a doctor than my father and I don't see a problem with this.

If I had kids I would still like to make about what I make now or more but is okay if I make less for a while and rely more on him, is nice to have that option and we do have that option now but I prefer to continue making about what I make now, I want financial freedom and want to purchase whatever I want and him not to fuss about it or try to control my spending in any way and me making less and depending more on him can potentially result in that and I don't want to even give room for that potential to flourish in any way, I have worked too hard to get to this point and I will buy whatever I want if I can afford it.

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I will buy whatever I want if I can afford it. Phew!

I understand why you feel the way you do. I have been there. In my previous marriages, we have always kept our finances separate. However, if I remarry, I would like to try something different, a true merging.

Your 5th house is ruled by Venus? Since you are Sagg rising, it must be Taurus, and with Uranus transiting in this sign currently, you sure wouldn't be attracted to doing motherhood the traditional way... However, have you ALWAYS been like that?

posted October 01, 2021 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I will buy whatever I want if I can afford it. Phew!

I understand why you feel the way you do. I have been there. In my previous marriages, we have always kept our finances separate. However, if I remarry, I would like to try something different, a true merging.

Your 5th house is ruled by Venus? Since you are Sagg rising, it must be Taurus, and with Uranus transiting in this sign currently, you sure wouldn't be attracted to doing motherhood the traditional way... However, have you ALWAYS been like that?

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"I would like to try something different, a true merging."

I think that is nice actually as long as there is good communication and a negotiating spirit which we do have, we make all big financial decisions together and I feel this is a strength of ours, we are super open about what we do with our finances and communicate about this stuff regularly, we make big purchases together etc..we don't hide financial stuff from each other and I like this about us a lot.

Yes it is in Taurus. I see why you ask since Taurus is known to be more conservative, I have always been like this in my thinking, I want my kids to have freedom, autonomy too, do not want to be over protective at all or to stifle them, want them to fly and express themselves but NOBODY better mess with them bc I feel I would get intense, I feel I would be VERY protective of my kids but not in a suffocating way more like don't mess with them hahaha. Ultimately I would encourage them to fight their own battles and stand up for themselves but a part of me will want to hunt down who is messing with them if I am honest but I will probably not act on it but lord I worry sometimes hahahaha

I do have VENUS sentagon URANUS (100 degree apart aspect) so that could be why!

posted October 01, 2021 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

I think that is nice actually as long as there is good communication and a negotiating spirit which we do have, we make all big financial decisions together and I feel this is a strength of ours, we are super open about what we do with our finances and communicate about this stuff regularly, we make big purchases together etc..we don't hide financial stuff from each other and I like this about us a lot.

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Yes it is in Taurus. I see why you ask since Taurus is known to be more conservative, I have always been like this in my thinking, I want my kids to have freedom, autonomy too, do not want to be over protective at all or to stifle them, want them to fly and express themselves but NOBODY better mess with them bc I feel I would get intense, I feel I would be VERY protective of my kids but not in a suffocating way more like don't mess with them hahaha. Ultimately I would encourage them to fight their own battles and stand up for themselves but a part of me will want to hunt down who is messing with them if I am honest but I will probably not act on it but lord I worry sometimes hahahaha

I do have VENUS sentagon URANUS (100 degree apart aspect) so that could be why!

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Makes sense, because don't forget your Venus is conjunct Mars so your Venus is infused with Martian energy.

posted October 02, 2021 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Makes sense, because don't forget your Venus is conjunct Mars so your Venus is infused with Martian energy.

Well, I am learning a new astrological word, sentagon. Off to research its significance.

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The ruler of my venus in LEO in the 8th is sun in virgo in the 9th which the last dispositor is mercury in virgo in the 9th, that could explain why I feel protective of my kids but also want them to fly and have freedom.

Sentagon is supposed to be an aspect to watch out for in transits, is supposed to be part of the Novile series but there is not a lot about it online sadly, do share if you find a good resource for it. I came across it through youtube, an astrologer that I respect a lot, I feel she is a very smart deep thinker.

posted October 02, 2021 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Yes, your chart fits, especially with the Venus Taurus in 8th house of other people's money.

Aries sun women tend to be pretty good at looking out for themselves and not being doormats or used and abused in relationships.

Because that Aries sun is in the 7th house, you tend to prefer a masculine partner, a take charge partner, someone who is going to go out and make things happen for his family.

There is nothing wrong with wanting Love AND money!

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posted October 02, 2021 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
It's a shame you don't like women. You have no idea.

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Girl we got a MGTOWer up in here! 😂😂

posted October 03, 2021 12:00 AM            

2nd and 8th house. Usually, people with no planets in 2nd but with planets in 8th desire other people money.

In my experience, these people dont like to work at all, they view people with money as a lottery ticket.

On the other side, people with planets in 2nd are workaholics. They are very ambitious (in a good way). Rarely, these people with have transits where they can gain money from other people but they will choose to do something good with that money. Like investments. They will choose not to spend those money immediately but will chose to invest them to make even more money with hard work.

posted October 03, 2021 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
There’s a saying:

if a man does not have his own resources, he’ll be toxic to any woman he’s with. (a masculine principle)

True commitment to love can create abundance. Couples who [b]love each other would not fight (read: separate) over money, as EternalEnergy mentioned. However, this underlying capacity (to create - together) is a quality exclusive to a genuine, compatible partnership, in romance or business, there’s no difference.

With that said, I tend to think, when observing difficult couples, that people have unconsciously chosen the wrong [business] partner (for love) in general. And face the consequences of their expectations (project-ions). They don’t want to see it as such: their initial judgement [of what the other offers] was actually poor sighted - from a lack mentality, hence naive.

Money doesn’t solve problems lol. The “problems’ created are inherent to the “relationship”, it’s internal behavior and dysfunction.

Relationships are work. Success is not due to having money, rather productivity. Basic economics

Bad couples are just two people terrible at their business together. Or usually said, “Have no business being together”. Clueless individuals; should probably have educated themself on partnership (or love) prior to entering such a field. People just wing it and get upset later when they’re technically unqualified.

One has to ask themself, “What’s my business with this person?” Sounds rhetorical right?

If it’s for Love, well, stick to developing that product. If the relationship is sought for achieving a particular product such as family life, perhaps even compensation for raising some kids, well, develop that business model between you. It’s your work - put your own “price” on it. There’s such thing as postnuptial agreements lol

My Moon is in Capricorn in 8H.

My grandmother, who has a renowned legacy with her deceased partner (my grandfather) spelled it out to me like this:

Givers can only be with givers. And takers with takers. Givers and Takers are fundamentally incompatible. There’s no way around this.

OP and others might like to read the book “Getting to I Do” that covers this relationship issue in a chapter about “money”. Educate yourself of the field you’re pursuing. 😉[/B]

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posted October 03, 2021 01:38 PM            

Security that comes from outside of you is an illusion, security that comes from within you is what you want bc the outside is not in your control. Empires collapse, money can lose its value, governments can go broke and collapse, people die and then what? people leave people and then what?

posted October 03, 2021 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
@belage

The Mars conjunct Mc assessment was accurate. I have a lot of awesome aspects too. Don't agree with how you trashed my moon. Think it's my Saturn in 4th

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I am trying to understand how I "trashed" your moon.

posted October 03, 2021 02:39 PM            

Vegetarianism non withstanding, meat eating has been found to be an important development in the human brain. A man who wasn't out there hunting was not very useful to a woman. What was he going to do, stay home and join the other women in agriculture and child rearing? Women had other women to help them in those tasks.

Women have been evolutionary programmed to go with the men that have resources, which in more recent times became money and power, because it makes their children more likely to survive and thrive. That is why a rich old man will ALWAYS have a bevy of young pretty women willing to be with him.

posted October 03, 2021 05:54 PM            

I actually love evolutionary psychology and have done a number of research reflective papers on it back when I was in grad school and as an undergrad as well.

That being said even though I like to understand the evolutionary basis of human behavior, I also feel some people get too caught up in the past and seem to think that evolution is fixed and deterministic, that we will forever be a product of what has worked for us in the past to adapt and that this cannot change.

evolve (v.)

1640s, "to unfold, open out, expand," from Latin evolvere "to unroll, roll out, roll forth, unfold," especially of books; figuratively "to make clear, disclose; to produce, develop," from assimilated form of ex "out" (see ex-) + volvere "to roll," from PIE root *wel- (3) "to turn, revolve." Meaning "to develop by natural processes to a higher state" is from 1832. Related: Evolved; evolving.

Evolve is a verb and it implies change and movement, it implies we are actively evolving into something more adaptive, some of our adaptive mechanisms that served us during primitive times may not serve us now in the same way they did then. We have cities now, buildings, cars, grocery stores, plumbing, electricity, roads, internet, commerce, international trade etc..we also have the morning after pill, pregnancy tests, tests that can help you determine if a child is yours and abortion is legal during the first trimester in most countries. At some point women use to have children at 12-13 years old, now they are choosing to wait until their 30s.

Even though my biological make up wanted me to desperately give birth in my teenage years I waited, I chose to over ride this intense biological urge to procreate and yes that may mean I won't be a mother, I definitely had two opportunities to go for it but did not feel ready and yes the consequences may be that I won't experience motherhood and that is okay if that is the case bc I have experienced a lot of other things that I may not have experienced if I become a mother early on.

Men have a biological drive to spread their seeds and F around but a lot of them choose to be faithful to their spouses despite that biological drive.

All that being said, this is why I don't identify as a Liberal or a Republican even though I lean more towards the right because I value freedom and feel freedom is the foundation of a healthy society and because I don't think money grows on trees. On one hand one side is obsessed with fixed gender roles and on the other hand we have the other side saying things like gender is a social construct and fluid or going as far as manipulating science to make it seem like gender is not real and coming up with a 100 different genders, I feel both sides take things to an extreme but the left with this whole now we all need tell each other our "pronouns" irritate me more but both sides irritate me in this regard for different reasons. For example, the right wants to convince me that women are happiest as stay at home mothers and I disagree, this does not align with the countless women who come to me complaining about being stay at home mothers even though they love their kids, women do have more to offer than being mothers and we are complex beings with complex needs, I wear many hats. I also don't like the left telling me that I need to sacrifice freedom for security, that the answer is always more control and more government and that we need to always be open minded to the point that we end up legalizing pedophilia as there are people in the left pushing for that.

I feel that it does not matter what our biological evolutionary predisposition is, we are evolving and will continue to evolve and regardless of our evolutionary predisposition, it undeniably puts you in a vulnerable position to depend on another person financially regardless of gender and that is also a reality that cannot be ignored.

posted October 03, 2021 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
It just hit me that since Leo is on my 8th cusp that this may be factoring in as well, I have way to much pride to depend financially on someone else.

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I know plenty of Leo Women who are just fine with a man providing for them, as long as he's sincere. Even when they have their OWN money! 💯 Also, I have Venus trine Mars and I fully embrace Balance. Our definitions of what true Balance looks like within a relationship are likely different though.

Security is about much more than money, although money is a part of it. I'm a confident, secure, financially stable woman all on my OWN. But I appreciate the Masculine Principle and all that it has to offer. ❤ I don't feel the need to constantly prove that I am "strong" all the time. For what?? My strength speaks for itself.

If you prefer to be fiercely independent and won't accept any Money from a man under any circumstances... that is your prerogative and that is just fine. 👍🏾 What I don't understand is why the women who share your perspective often get up in arms over the women who DO NOT feel the same way that you do?

If a woman prefers to be with her husband & kids over being glued to a stressful full-time job why is that an issue? If a man tells his woman to keep her money from her part-time job to save up or pamper herself and he'll gladly take care of the rent... what's wrong with that?

Not saying that the following applies to you at all -- but many women today are overworked, depressed & lonely. Most of them don't actually WANT to be superwoman (doing it all by themselves) but they feel pressure from modern society to be just like MEN in every way. And it's wearing them out!

posted October 03, 2021 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
I know plenty of Leo Women who are just fine with a man providing for them, as long as he's sincere. Even when they have their OWN money! 💯 Also, I have Venus trine Mars and I fully embrace Balance. Our definitions of what true Balance looks like within a relationship are likely different though.

Security is about much more than money, although money is a part of it. I'm a confident, secure, financially stable woman all on my OWN. But I appreciate the Masculine Principle and all that it has to offer. ❤ I don't feel the need to constantly prove that I am "strong" all the time. For what?? My strength speaks for itself.

If you prefer to be fiercely independent and won't accept any Money from a man under any circumstances... that is your prerogative and that is just fine. 👍🏾 What I don't understand is why the women who share your perspective often get up in arms over the women who DO NOT feel the same way that you do?

If a woman prefers to be with her husband & kids over being glued to a full-time job why is that an issue? If a man tells his woman to keep her money from her part-time job to save up or pamper herself and he'll gladly take care of the rent... what's wrong with that?

Not saying that the following applies to you at all -- but many women today are overworked, depressed & lonely. Most of them don't actually WANT to be superwoman (doing it all by themselves) but they feel pressure from modern society to be just like MEN in every way. And it's wearing them out!

So when a different type of woman comes along who *embraces* the love, protection & security of men so that she DOES NOT have to do it all by herself... these women have a visceral reaction to that. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Because most of them actually WANT to trust a man but can't bring themselves to do so. It's in our DNA and they hate it. Lol. So they fight that secret urge and needlessly bash the women who who choose to embrace their Natural Instinct to be provided for.

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Um you are projecting your views on women who think different from you unto me, is like you haven't read all my responses or you are just projecting something you don't like about women who think differently from you unto me.

I don't think you are listening to what I am saying at all actually.

My husband and I both work and I think that is the ideal scenario for both to contribute to bills and expenses and that leads to more prosperity and there is a balance of power, if you want to pretend that someone NOT making any money and completely depending on the other person does not put them in a vulnerable position you can continue to do that. You are pointing out on this thread that you make money too but you like your man to make money too so you are both providers and can lean on one another, that to me does not sound very different from what I am arguing. It feels nice for both people to feel they can count on each other and like you have a partner you are building a life with and doing life with and sharing responsibilities with, if I had kids I certainly would not want to do it alone either. You are viewing me as this hyper feminist woman which means you haven't been paying attention to my perspectives on things or who I am. I often find that when a conversation turns political in any way the other person starts seeing you as a stereotype and is not actually listening to you and the complexity of your message and they are actually debating the stereotype and not you.

posted October 03, 2021 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Radium:

Half the time you stay in unfulfilling relationships due to the fact you care more about what others think than what you TRULY want.

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Now this much is TRUE.

Although we *surely* have vastly different perspectives. Lol.

Many women today scream "I don't need a man" yet are simultaneously desperate for a man at the same time. So desperate that she'll pay HIS bills, chase & pursue him, be the breadwinner, etc when NONE of that comes naturally to her at all. Staying in relationships that are toxic to save face.

And yes - she's usually doing this for the 'Bad Boy' because he's unapologetically Masculine & Dominant and that turns most women ON. 🔥 The problem is she's a doormat (pretending to be "strong" with her money) that he can never respect because she's f**king up the polarity yin/yang attraction by chasing him. He *knows* that the woman of his dreams is someone HE has to earn, pursue & provide for. Period. Men will use you as a placeholder!

And then the passive, weak guys cry about how these women won't have sex with him or pay his bills like they do with the Bad Boy. 😂