posted September 20, 2021 01:05 PM            

What type of chart positions and aspects indicate that:

1. One will be a gold digger and/or someone who will be financially provided for by their spouse?

2. In contrast, what aspects and positions indicate a breadwinner who will be financially supporting their spouse?

posted September 22, 2021 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Wanting physical, emotional & (yes) financial security from your man does not make you a gold-digger. It makes you smart. 💯

Love *alone* will not sustain a relationship. Finances are the #1 reason for divorce.

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I think it's smarter to be able to provide your own financial security. You really don't want to be dependent on someone who might not be as charming as you thought they were.

posted September 22, 2021 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I think it's smarter to be able to provide your own financial security. You really don't want to be dependant on someone who might not be as charming as you thought they were.

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That has nothing to do with my point though. Wanting security does not make you a gold-digger.

I can take care of myself. I have my own money. But I also have NO desire to be with a broke man or a man who couldn't provide for our family. Period. 💯 Not every man that wishes to provide for you is trying to "control" you. There are PLENTY of abusive men who are poor out here. Vet, choose wisely and save side money and you'll be just fine.

posted September 22, 2021 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Eternal Energy:
Money has never been the number 1 reason for divorces. The real number 1 reason for divorcing or leaving a relationship is that you simply don't love the other person. Because if you really Love the other person, if he is your other half, you don't ever want to live your life without him. That thought just never ever crosses your mind.

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You're going completely based on emotion here. I'm going based on actual facts. Finances are literally a HUGE reason for divorce. 💯 Love & Security are both important - not simply one or the other. We must use head AND heart. For real success.

See article below.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-common-behavior-is-the-no-1-predictor-of-whether-youll-get-divorced-2018-01-10

Just because you're an Independent Woman doesn't mean that it's acceptable for you to bash women who see the value in men providing financially. That's often how they show love! ❤

posted September 22, 2021 06:30 PM            

I think you are both right.

-*- If two people REALLY love each other, their love will ride out the money issues and other challenges.

-*- And money problem is the #1 cause of divorce, because not everyone gets married out of pure love.

Both positions can be true.

A true love marriage is rare, it is a serendipitous gift, and this gift is not given to everyone.

Many people get tired of waiting for "true love" and they get married before their eggs dry up. Many people have been hurt by "love" so they don't make it their number one priority when seeking marriage. In any case, these people are not wrong for doing what they are doing and they can still have great successful marriages. I don't think the gift of a true love marriage is bestowed on everyone. And let's not forget that in many ancient cultures, people did not marry out of love, but they were expected to grow in love through the years and trials shared together.

posted September 22, 2021 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
That has nothing to do with my point though. Wanting security does not make you a gold-digger.

I can take care of myself. I have my own money. But I also have NO desire to be with a broke man or a man who couldn't provide for our family. Period. 💯 Not every man that wishes to provide for you is trying to "control" you. There are PLENTY of abusive men who are poor out here. Vet, choose wisely and save side money and you'll be just fine.

If you personally prefer to be the breadwinner, that's fine. Not my style though.

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I was reacting to your comment that wanting financial security from a man was being smart. I never claimed that if you’re in a relationship where the man is the breadwinner you’re a gold digger or that you can’t take care of yourself. People are entitled to their own choices when it comes to the type of partnership they prefer. But being financially dependent on someone is never a smart choice. I still stand by that statement.

posted September 22, 2021 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Eternal Energy and LovelyAries86

I think you are both right.

-*- If two people REALLY love each other, their love will ride out the money issues and other challenges.

-*- And money problem is the #1 cause of divorce, because not everyone gets married out of pure love.

Both positions can be true.

A true love marriage is rare, it is a serendipitous gift, and this gift is not given to everyone.

Many people get tired of waiting for "true love" and they get married before their eggs dry up. Many people have been hurt by "love" so they don't make it their number one priority when seeking marriage. In any case, these people are not wrong for doing what they are doing and they can still have great successful marriages. I don't think the gift of a true love marriage is bestowed on everyone. And let's not forget that in many ancient cultures, people did not marry out of love, but they were expected to grow in love through the years and trials shared together.

ETA: By the way, I am curious about your respective astrological placements. I suspect Eternal Energy has placements that make her more attuned and receptive to love separate from materialities, while LovelyAries has more practical placements.

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Glad you and LovelyAries see that there is nothing wrong with women who see the value in providing women financially.
I myself don't judge what a person does. I think depending on the couple, both members working, the husband working and the wife staying at home, or the wife working and the husband being a stay at home dad could all work. What works for each couple is their choice. My situation is as follows: I am trying to make some major career improvements for the following reason.

My dream is not to be like a family friend I knew who did would just sit around and watch TV, hang with his buddies, and lie around collecting money like a deadbeat from his six figure wife, who was disgusted with the whole thing. Instead, my dream is to earn a large amount from my career so that my wife to be, when I do get married is looking beautiful siting by the pool, spending her day leisurely going to the coffee shop, engaging in her hobbies, and when we go on trips it is all paid for from my income.

My questions are:

1. Do you think of my dream of a marriage where I am the sole provider is fine?

2. In terms of astrological placements, while it has been discussed what placements might indicate being supported by a spouse, are there any chart placements that could indicate being willing to support a spouse or being the financial provider to a spouse?

posted September 22, 2021 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I was reacting to your comment that wanting financial security from a man was being smart. I never claimed that if you’re in a relationship where the man is the breadwinner you’re a gold digger or that you can’t take care of yourself. People are entitled to their own choices when it comes to the type of partnership they prefer. But being financially dependent on someone is never a smart choice. I still stand by that statement.

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Okay. I stand by choosing to be with a man being financially secure being a smart move. Because it is.

What if a woman wants to quit her job and stay-at-home with her kids the first few years of their life? She can't do that if she partners with a guy who is financially irresponsible and/or who is dead-set on the 50/50 mentally with her. 🤷🏾‍♀️

By choosing a man with a Provider Mentality, this is not an issue you encounter. This is just one of many examples. 👍🏾 Has nothing to do with being a "gold-digger" at all.

posted September 22, 2021 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Loudcloud386:

My dream is not to be like a family friend I knew who did would just sit around and watch TV, hang with his buddies, and lie around collecting money like a deadbeat from his six figure wife, who was disgusted with the whole thing. Instead, my dream is to earn a large amount from my career so that my wife to be, when I do get married is looking beul siting by the pool, spending her day leisurely going to the coffee shop, engaging in her hobbies, and when we go on trips it is all paid for from my income.

My questions are:

1. Do you think of my dream of a marriage where I am the sole provider is fine?

2. In terms of astrological placements, while it has been discussed what placements might indicate being supported by a spouse, are there any chart placements that could indicate being willing to support a spouse or being the financial provider to a spouse?

Thanks

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1. I don't see why wanting to be a sole provider and wanting to make sure your wife is well taken care of financially and pampered is wrong. There are many women who would love to find a man with your kind of provider mentality, trust me. It used to be the traditional position of many men, who prided themselves in providing well for their families.

I have seen plenty of arrangements like this work very well, but only when the money the men brought home was considered "our" money, not just the men's money. So it was not used as a control mechanism.

There are many women who would love to be in this kind of marriage so there will be plenty to choose from, use your discernment to pick the right spouse for you.

posted September 22, 2021 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

ETA: By the way, I am curious about your respective astrological placements. I suspect Eternal Energy has placements that make her more attuned and receptive to love separate from materialities, while LovelyAries has more practical placements.

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Sure, I'm game to discuss placements.

I have...

-Taurus Venus 8H
-Cap Mars 3H
-Deep desire for security & pleasure ❤

-Cancer Moon 9H
-Desire for deep emotional AND intellectual bonding 💜

-Aries Sun 7H
-Desire for passion & partnership while still having the freedom to be myself. Balance is key! ⚘⚘

So as I stated earlier... Love AND Money are important. 💯 Statistics show this. I do not have to choose! And there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with any woman who wants both.

Why would I be with a man who claimed to "love me to death" yet had us starving for food? And why would I be with a man who often gave me money yet was mean to me and emotionally unavailable?

posted September 22, 2021 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Loudcloud386:
Glad you and LovelyAries see that there is nothing wrong with women who see the value in providing women financially.

My dream is to earn a large amount from my career so that my wife to be, when I do get married is looking beautiful siting by the pool, spending her day leisurely going to the coffee shop, engaging in her hobbies, and when we go on trips it is all paid for from my income.

My questions are:

1. Do you think of my dream of a marriage where I am the sole provider is fine?

2. In terms of astrological placements, while it has been discussed what placements might indicate being supported by a spouse, are there any chart placements that could indicate being willing to support a spouse or being the financial provider to a spouse?

Thanks

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Hey Love. 🙂

Your dream is perfectly normal. You have nothing to feel bad about. In fact, you should be very proud of your mentality. 👍🏾 It's lovely. Just be sure to marry a woman who appreciates you for it!!

As for Provider placements in men, strong Saturn jumps out at me. 💯 Responsible, traditional, strong Zaddy vibes from them!
Although you do have some Capricorns who are rather cheap & selfish on the other end. So yeah.

Leo Men often make for a fabulous Provider as well. Huge hearts! ❤ As long as you make them feel deeply appreciated, they will often give you THE WORLD.

Virgo Men are definitely a hit-or-miss! When they do it right though... it's wonderful. ⚘ Think of Prince Harry.

Sag Men aren't always the most reliable. We know this! 😂 But in my experience, most are usually more dominant and would much rather take care of a woman than her take care of him. Same with Aries.

posted September 23, 2021 02:32 AM            

In my country you are stimulated to stay working as a mother because a lot of divorced women were unemployed and needed government support. There are several sponsored arrangements that help with this. I could take a 6 month leave after childbirth with 80% pay, part time work is easy to negotiate with your employer and the social norm. The cost of child care depends on your income and the child care is of good quality and government regulated. I don’t regret my choices. It is difficult to find a good job if you leave the work force for a couple of years. This has happened to someone I know.

Anyway, back to astrological placements. I also have a Taurus Venus in H8. It’s conjunct my Jupiter/south node/Pallas conjunction and opposite my Uranus in H2. I value an intellectual connection above everything.

posted September 23, 2021 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@LovelyAries86,
I’m afraid we have to agree to disagree on this subject.

In my country you are stimulated to stay working as a mother because a lot of divorced women were unemployed and needed government support. There are several sponsored arrangements that help with this.

Anyway, back to astrological placements. I also have a Taurus Venus in H8. It’s conjunct my Jupiter/south node/Pallas conjunction and opposite my Uranus in H2. I value an intellectual connection above everything.

Natal Pluto placement can also indicate the area in your life you desire to have a strong control over. Natal Pluto in 2nd house could indicate someone that is strongly attracted to financial security.

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Which country do you reside in? That's good to know that the childcare there is done by income. As too many moms here in America (especially single ones) are going completely BROKE paying for childcare each week! It's ridiculous.

I don't mind moms working. Especially if it's her own business that she's running! 👍🏾 I'm just not a fan when they end up being away from their children MORE than they are with them. Our kids come first. 💯 Otherwise, why have them?

I have Pallas, Strenia & Moon all conjunct my MC in Cancer. 💜 I am a truly FIERCE protector of children, strong values, wisdom & truth. I don't play around with this stuff! I want to have the time and energy to love on and raise my children right. And while I absolutely believe in accepting the help of nannies & babysitters... I have no desire for my kids to be more attached to them because I'm sooo focused on dedicating myself to a full-time job, slaving away for someone else when my babies NEED me. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Having "you" time, hobbies, work, etc are super important and we deserve to have time away to focus on ourselves. Definitely! But we must always remember... the children come FIRST. 💯 And kids also need Security. Not a mom offering them a life of struggle because their dad is their mom's 3rd child. Nope!

posted September 23, 2021 04:50 AM            

if a man does not have his own resources, he’ll be toxic to any woman he’s with. (a masculine principle)

True commitment to love can create abundance. Couples who love each other would not fight (read: separate) over money, as EternalEnergy mentioned. However, this underlying capacity (to create - together) is a quality exclusive to a genuine, compatible partnership, in romance or business, there’s no difference.

With that said, I tend to think, when observing difficult couples, that people have unconsciously chosen the wrong [business] partner (for love) in general. And face the consequences of their expectations (project-ions). They don’t want to see it as such: their initial judgement [of what the other offers] was actually poor sighted - from a lack mentality, hence naive.

Money doesn’t solve problems lol. The “problems’ created are inherent to the “relationship”, it’s internal behavior and dysfunction.

Relationships are work. Success is not due to having money, rather productivity. Basic economics

Bad couples are just two people terrible at their business together. Or usually said, “Have no business being together”. Clueless individuals; should probably have educated themself on partnership (or love) prior to entering such a field. People just wing it and get upset later when they’re technically unqualified.

One has to ask themself, “What’s my business with this person?” Sounds rhetorical right?

If it’s for Love, well, stick to developing that product. If the relationship is sought for achieving a particular product such as family life, perhaps even compensation for raising some kids, well, develop that business model between you. It’s your work - put your own “price” on it. There’s such thing as postnuptial agreements lol

My Moon is in Capricorn in 8H.

My grandmother, who has a renowned legacy with her deceased partner (my grandfather) spelled it out to me like this:

Givers can only be with givers. And takers with takers. Givers and Takers are fundamentally incompatible. There’s no way around this.

posted September 23, 2021 05:49 AM            

Hi vansio! Happy to see you!

Dear LovelyAries, I understand what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I'm not against you or your points of view. Really. These are things that I also talk with my friends. One friend says this, other friend says that, I say mine. In the end, we are all together loving and caring for each other. This is how I also see you.