posted April 24, 2022 11:44 PM            

This issue has gotten way worse the past few years with the amount of married women on Tinder and POF looking for a side hookup. You also see stuff like OnlyFans. All of this stuff increases the distance between men and women. It seems like women are increasingly behind a pay wall for guys who are willing to pay.

posted April 24, 2022 11:55 PM            

I don't know what Gen Zers is, but if you talking about Millennials I'm gonna assume you talking about 1983 and 1995 Millennials when Pluto was in Scorpio.

I don't think it everybody, because both me and my husband we are mid-80s kid. I born in 1984. Me and my husband we same age.

My husband he work hard since young age, good pay job, he became a home owner at age 33. He married (over a decade) with a wife and a son. Scorpio Mars Conjunction Scorpio Saturn in 5th house. Capricorn Jupiter (in it weakest fall state) in his 6th work house, Capricorn make him work even harder, along with his Saturn in 5th. Never care for fun, what he care was financial security and make money.

He is a Millennials kid, so am I.

I really think you should look into the person chart. Take our example withn a grain of salt, but we are Millennials Scorpio Pluto kids.

posted April 25, 2022 12:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I’ve heard many women complaining about the demographic situation in the opposite way as there’re not enough men.

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posted April 25, 2022 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Hi aquaguy, maybe it’s just how I read your posts but it feels like you’re angry at women. I can only speak for myself, but as far as I know, women aren’t making men feel miserable on purpose.

People, men and women, are complicated. Life is complicated and it has become increasingly more complicated over the years. We’re all bombarded with information that makes us feel that we’re not good enough, designed to make us buy more stuff we don’t really need. We’re all at a point where we are mentally exhausted and that makes it difficult to relate to other people. We’re all feeling it.

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posted April 25, 2022 07:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I’ve heard many women complaining about the demographic situation in the opposite way as there’re not enough men. (in Europe and America)

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i find that odd, never heard it, not true anyway

plenty of guys, especially ones who want relationships and serious ones in my experience

seems like your average single guy really wants to settle down and a lot of them even want to be providers

i've had plenty of guys want to take care of me and usually too soon in for it to be comfortable (i don't like rushing into something heavy, i have to be friends first and it takes me a long time to develop significant feelings) and it really seems like an overabundance of that kind of guy and across all age ranges too

like even way younger guys in their early 20's get like that

posted April 25, 2022 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i find that odd, never heard it, not true anyway

plenty of guys, especially ones who want relationships and serious ones in my experience

seems like your average single guy really wants to settle down and a lot of them even want to be providers

i've had plenty of guys want to take care of me and usually too soon in for it to be comfortable (i don't like rushing into something heavy, i have to be friends first and it takes me a long time to develop significant feelings) and it really seems like an overabundance of that kind of guy and across all age ranges too

like even way younger guys in their early 20's get like that

that being said @aquaguy i genuinely think you'd benefit from focusing on **** other than women and being single etc it'd be a good vibe check for you

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posted April 25, 2022 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

You are kind of proving my point. We are at this weird place in history where women despise men who want them and only want men who could never give them anything. Suppose I could make myself asexual and ignore the manically beeping check engine light of my unlived sexuality, then what? Women would still look at me and see an imperfect guy who doesn't live up to their mile-long checklist. The fact that I'm so open should tell you everything you need to know. I'm lonely, I'm desperate, and I have nothing to lose by being honest about my predicament. Women already find me unattractive. I've already been forced to the fringes of society by women. Who cares if my honesty turns women off? There was nothing to turn off to begin with. Women inherently consider me garbage because I'm not the frat boy type from a stable rich family. I'm talking about guys who smile because their parents didn't neglect their dental work and they have perfect straight white teeth and no emotional traumas like seeing their parents physically abuse each other. Nowadays only perfect guys are good enough to get attention and love from women. The rest of us exist in isolation and survive off any validation crumbs we can snag.

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where did i say i despise guys who want me? i said that i'm not won over by someone immediately offering me a bunch of material things instead of getting to know me and developing a relationship with me as a friend

the fact that you twisted what i said into me going "i despise men who want me" says a lot about your mental state not who i am as a person

what checklist do i have exactly? "i'd like to be friends first" wow such insane standards... 🙄 it takes a long time for me to feel something for another person and someone who wants something heavy and serious immediately (which is many guys) is asking me for something i can't give

i like nerdy guys, not frat boys... introverted guys who are more logical than they are emotional really do it for me

i don't care about material things like that, they don't need to be rich or something

i can like crooked teeth actually, and the guy i have a thing with (it's complicated) his teeth are far from perfect and that's fine

i don't judge someone for having emotional damage from their childhood because i do

you don't know what the **** you're talking about when you say these things and tell me what i'm looking for and how i feel etc this is what i'm talking about when it comes to you

posted April 25, 2022 11:20 AM            

my type isn't at all what you've described, and i'm not looking at men who can't offer me anything either lol (which btw what the **** made you even go there? i wasn't complaining about having a hard time finding guys or some **** )

why should i want someone who doesn't even know me but is offering me material things as if that's some substitute for friendship and as if who i am as a person is irrelevant?

it's not wrong to want to be able to get along with and be close to someone, that's not a weird or abnormal standard

liking nerdy guys with a good sense of humor isn't some insane checklist either, having a type is pretty normal, and nowhere have i ever said someone would have to fit that for me to be interested

you're so tunnel visioned in this narrative you've got going in your head that it gets in the way of you even reading or comprehending anything about individual people speaking to you

posted April 25, 2022 11:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
where did i say i despise guys who want me? i said that i'm not won over by someone immediately offering me a bunch of material things instead of getting to know me and developing a relationship with me as a friend

the fact that you twisted what i said into me going "i despise men who want me" says a lot about your mental state not who i am as a person

what checklist do i have exactly? "i'd like to be friends first" wow such insane standards... 🙄 it takes a long time for me to feel something for another person and someone who wants something heavy and serious immediately (which is many guys) is asking me for something i can't give

i like nerdy guys, not frat boys... introverted guys who are more logical than they are emotional really do it for me

i don't care about material things like that, they don't need to be rich or something

i can like crooked teeth actually, and the guy i have a thing with (it's complicated) his teeth are far from perfect and that's fine

i don't judge someone for having emotional damage from their childhood because i do

you don't know what the **** you're talking about when you say these things and tell me what i'm looking for and how i feel etc this is what i'm talking about when it comes to you

you just strawman all day and make up some woman you project onto all women no matter who's talking to you or what they say and it's an unhealthy fixation that would do you some good to work through

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posted April 25, 2022 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Should I work on it or focus on other things? Make up your mind. Working on it requires focusing on it and talking about it. Just be glad you weren't born an unattractive guy with a high sex drive. I'll never get my basic needs met and I'll always have to suffer with that.

No, I'm not saying wanting a ####ing nerdy guy is too much. Provided that is what you actually want. I'm nerdy by the way. I have also won school superlatives for being funny and some people have even told me to do standup before. How come women always claim to love nerdy introverted guy but not one woman has appreciated me in my whole adult life and I am like that? I only see women wanting the most extroverted good looking guys.

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you work on it by focusing on other things, it's almost as if helping fixations requires an approach where shifting your focus is important 🙄 do you not read? i swear you don't, it's like you just want to throw a constant pity party for yourself and ignore everything other people say to you in favor of what you want

it isn't an either or thing i need to make my mind up about, the fix is literally movement away from obsessive bs thought patterns and feeding your ****

i have my own ******* problems, being an "attractive woman" (going by what other people tell me) hasn't helped those so don't tell me what i'm lucky about or make assumptions about my life to diminish my issues and elevate yours as if things i go through are less important because you think you're ugly

like come the **** on man, that's not cool at all

it's not a claim it's literally my type, the guy i have a thing with is literally that

he's a nerdy, introverted guy who deals with **** like social anxiety and is obsessive about metal music and **** like that

he isn't super fit or anything but i think he's cute and don't like that anyway (i tend to think a guy is gay if he's too into **** like that) and i love his face and voice and the way we get along

i like that he's generally calm and can always make me laugh no matter what even if we're fighting, and i love it when an intelligent guy is willing to go for the dumbest joke possible (dad jokes do it for me 🤷‍♀️ i find them endearing)

i like his little rants when he decides he wants to explain or teach something to me, even if it's something i have no interest in generally (political history of some country for example) or would never need to know (like how to remove an appendix and all possible complications in great detail lol) and i love that he's passionate about the things he finds interesting

i love nerdy guys because they're often very passionate about things that matter to them, and i deeply appreciate passion in another person

i like intelligence because i like to be able to learn from someone and have deep conversations, and i like when someone is funny because i'm sad a lot and it helps

i like introverts because i often find their observations about life and people more interesting and i find them balancing

your issues from what i can see aren't your good qualities, but they're things like your habitual projection, your habitual strawmanning, your habitual inability to see past yourself and your ideas and your inability to really look at people as individuals

we've talked several times now, and i've told you some really personal **** too, and at no point has it ever seemed like you've actually seen me as a person

even now you've demonstrated that, and that's a big thing you know? to interact with someone and feel like they're blind and you're unseen while they talk at a projection is a deeply disheartening experience

posted April 25, 2022 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

And I wasn't just using the word despise to describe what you feel. It's the general feeling that women feel for men. It comes across in the things women say about men and how casually dismissive you are about everything I say. For example, I could just feel your contempt coming out in your response describing men's eagerness to get into relationships and how unappealing it is to you. You see men wanting relationships as unattractive. For me personally, it feels like hatred every time I put myself out there with women and see their sour faces that they don't even bother to hide. That tells me that I'm deficient. That tells me that I'm not allowed to be a man and have desires by women's standards. That's why I don't even try anymore. I have been hurt so bad that I can't even take action again. I'm broken. And to you it is such an easy thing to ignore and put to the side. You're so condescending about my pain. This issue has defined my whole life. I hate myself because women have shown me nothing but hatred and contempt.

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i'm dismissive about what you say because none of your responses have been directly related to me or anything i actually think or feel, they're directly related to your own projections or ideas

i may as well not even be another person when i speak to you because you do not see an individual and that's very clear in all of our talks

i don't like when somebody decides they want me without knowing me, i find that offputting, because then all they care about is what they see and i'm more than that

not to mention i have my own issues and i don't feel comfortable when someone wants something heavy right away

at no point did i look down on any for it that however, i said it's something i can't give to someone else so quickly and i said a lot of men are very eager for serious relationships because the implication that guys were any different seemed absurd to me

my experiences have shown me that most men care very deeply about having lasting relationships and i don't think that that's a bad thing at all

i do however think it's a negative when it's an immediate thing, and that's for everyone involved because it's too much too fast

i don't look down on people for that, but i can't operate that way

i see men wanting relationships as a positive thing, i just don't see the all or nothing immediately approach as good

posted April 25, 2022 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Here's my chart:
http://ibb.co/fG1RNCW

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🤣 right away i noticed you have his moon also opposite pluto (different degree though)

i would actually blame pluto and saturn on your issues and the mercury conjunct neptune/uranus as some of the perception issues

but yeah to me this is largely your pluto

also i've never seen you, but with venus conjunct the ascendant there's generally something positive there (however the pluto square is probably harshing that up) and it's possible to a degree you blame appearance when that's not the case

posted April 25, 2022 12:33 PM            

It in this forum in this astrology 2.0 sub, thread title: "what do you see in this?"

posted April 25, 2022 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
Hi Dumuzi, you know how to read chart, can you read a chart for me? please. There something I need to confirm in the chart.

It in this forum in this astrology 2.0 sub, thread title: "what do you see in this?"

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