posted November 29, 2022 06:43 PM            

That is, because society has a lot of influences from people with different priorities and define things differently, rather than your personal point of view of what is meaningful being "objective," then they don't get called...just like those who think feelings are what are most important aren't called shallow (well they are by specific people, just as Earth and Air and Fire signs can be called that by specific people).

posted November 29, 2022 07:04 PM            

Considered alone without regard to its human representatives, the element of Earth is the deepest, all-inclusive element. Within Earth are all the other elements: fire (volcanoes, lava, magma chambers), air of course, and water (aquaducts, cavern lakes, underground springs, and the oceans themselves).

Earth brings unrevealed depth. Air is largely above the surface, but of course extends out into space. So we don't want to make Air a purely shallow element. The Air mode of expression tends to be relational, thus social in awareness and too concerned about appearances.

These are only general tendencies that have to do with how mature a person is within the range of expression in that sign/element.

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posted November 30, 2022 01:28 AM            

Air CAN sometimes, under some circumstances, be superficial
Earth CAN be .. materialistic
Water CAN be .. manipulative
Fire CAN be .. demanding.

These are all shallow characteristics. People can be shallow.

On the other hand, masculine/extroverted signs can be claimed to be shallow, according to the feminine/introverted signs.

But I've considered this to be retaliatory reaction from the later, who are intimidated by the perceived greater confidence of the former.

posted November 30, 2022 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I think the finer detail the op is missing is that:

Air CAN sometimes, under some circumstances, be superficial
Earth CAN be .. materialistic
Water CAN be .. manipulative
Fire CAN be .. demanding.

These are all shallow characteristics. People can be shallow.

On the other hand, masculine/extroverted signs can be claimed to be shallow, according to the feminine/introverted signs.

But I've considered this to be retaliatory reaction from the later, who are intimidated by the perceived greater confidence of the former.

Then, technically, Air rolls around the Earth, as does Fire. They don't necessarily run deep, but they climb very high.

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posted November 30, 2022 06:22 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Probably because it depends on what you consider deep and shallow. Sounds like you consider emotions deep, while others would consider that trivial or even childish (or worse), saying all they care about is their feelings which change all the time anyway, and are easily manipulated (all the more so as those who rely on their feelings to the point they think they have a great intuition can't be reasoned with when they have a strong feeling, making them great marks for scammers and exploiters of all sorts).

That is, because society has a lot of influences from people with different priorities and define things differently, rather than your personal point of view of what is meaningful being "objective," then they don't get called...just like those who think feelings are what are most important aren't called shallow (well they are by specific people, just as Earth and Air and Fire signs can be called that by specific people).

'Course if you have any spiritual beliefs that you mix with astrology, then you should consider why the higher powers allowed such unimportant things (to you--though a lot of people think a lot of things are unimportant until they no longer have them) placed them in the cosmos anyway. Are they, and what they bring, really of lesser value than you and your contributions? If so, then why were they included in the first place?

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PixieJane Yes i do find emotions deep. I consider people that have emotional understanding for others and themselves deep I find emotional support deep I find people that care about others deep. I find people that are overtly preoccupied with worldy possessions extremely shallow. I feel they lack depth and are hard to have a personal deep connection with to a point where they can be in a relationship where they are perfectly fine being in a loveless relationship just as long as they get all the money and security they need. Earth can be just as shallow as Air can be and i have seen this many times which is why i don’t understand why this element is not seen as shallow and by shallow i mean people that don’t go that deep into things and are also fine with a lack of passion and depth in their relationships.

posted November 30, 2022 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Kannon McAfee I don’t go by Sun signs at all but people that have Earth dominant in their charts ...

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But you're still judging this by signs. Astrology is first and foremost planets (and their aspects).

I have (fixed) Earth dominant in my chart. 5 planets + Asc in earth, 5 in fixed signs: http://kannonmcafee.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/kannon-validated-birth-chart.gif

I am the least superficial and least materialistic person you will ever meet. As soon as you think you've got a pattern based on signs, it will get upended by deeper examination or more in-depth interaction with others.

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posted November 30, 2022 08:50 PM            

Sometimes "depth" is not required. As one can get bogged down in detail (for one example) and not see the forest.

Shallowness - or simply grasping the elements of something without becoming captured in the dynamic - is a skill that permits a broad range of connections to be made, and execution of action to be performed within the greater context.

It would be terrible if everyone was the same - if everyone was "deep". And it's notoriously unhealthy to force people to be a certain way based on ones own values.

Further, it's all relative.

I have had relationships with earth signs that are much deeper than me and who wanted more than my air could give. And to others, these same people may be considered less deep.

So what if some people are shallow and others deep anyway.

posted December 01, 2022 03:31 AM            

I just came across these quotes from this thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/011379.html :

From Node:
"Saying a Venus in Taurus person is like....fill in the blanks... is the same as newspaper Sun Sign Astrology. I'm sorry but you cannot take one placement and say it is this or that. What house is it in? How is it aspected? Only then can you obtain true coloration. I have Venus in Taurus. 9th . Conjunct Sun, and others. In point of fact I have a Stelium Taurus. Does this make me the quintesential Venus in Taurus? Especially since my Sun is at 5degrees? Absolutely NOT!..But I will say that we are VERY tactile. We want to feel it, smell it, and touch it. That means anything to make it real! But it is mental as well. Get into a Venus in Taurus head, our largest errogenous zone.. And you are there forever. But,keep it real please. Do I love the luxury of 500 thread count sheets? OH Yea! Do I love a good bar? Oh yea! But I love a great dive as well. Why? Because it is real. Respect the Taurus Mind by being REAL and you have a friend (or lover) for life. We see through everything as well as a Piscean. Phonies need not apply. KEEP IT REAL"

And Ingrid:
"In cafeastrology, you can find compatibility based on your venus. You can read how you relate to others based on your venus.
When your Venus is in Taurus, your needs in love are largely determined by the pleasing of your senses. The first of the earth signs, Taurus is very physical. You are sensually inclined--not sensation-oriented like Aries, but rather keenly tuned in to the world of the physical five senses. (The sixth sense belongs to the Water signs!) To understand the Venusian Taurus nature, it is helpful to think of three "S" words that Taurus values: sensuality, stability, and satisfaction.

You are somewhat conventional in matters of the heart, with a strong sense of commitment and purpose. You are not romantic in a frilly or dreamy way, yet you certainly have the sense of the romantic when it comes to honoring others and surrounding partnerships in simple luxuries. You are practical, and relationships are taken seriously. This does not necessarily mean that you are incapable of having one-night-stands or the like, but a partnership means a lot to you and you don't take your responsibilities lightly. You have a strong, constant love nature, and you offer loved ones much comfort in your stability. You seek out security through partnership. You tend to hold on to partnerships, and you place basic security needs over emotional or spiritual needs. As a result, others may see you as a rock, or they can easily get frustrated that you overlook the nuances of the relationship, depending on the audience.

posted December 01, 2022 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Kannon McAfee I don’t go by Sun signs at all but people that have Earth dominant in their charts i even wrote women with esp Taurus Venus but now that i think about it also the Moon do have a tendency to get together with someone that brings them security rather than for love and can be very materialistic and this is very shallow to me.

Librapurr I’m not here to lift up Water i’m simply asking why Earth are not seen as shallow like Air (which i have a lot of in my chart) because in my opinion they also can be very shallow for all the reasons i mentioned. You have no idea how many times i have heard Cap types say they ‘’only’’ respect someone that are accomplished in some way and want to mingle with people that makes them look good this to me comes of very shallow. Earth aren’t so concerned with feelings, passion and love either which is why they are one of the top element that are in relationships that are not based on love.

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I've heard that before with Venus in Taurus means materialistic.

I think people misunderstand this when they see it. Venus in Taurus is not materialistic, it's realistic, and it doesn't accept some things. Compare it to their detriment in Scorpio and you will understand.

I have Venus in Taurus. I don't care about the security, but I sure know when someone is serious about me or not. So that's what you saw, not that she sold herself.

posted December 01, 2022 05:30 AM            

And I'm far from shallow - just a Realist! I love swimming (like a Mermaid) within the depths of a lover's Body AND Soul.

posted December 01, 2022 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
It takes all types of people to run a dynamic and diverse world.

Sometimes "depth" is not required. As one can get bogged down in detail (for one example) and not see the forest.

Shallowness - or simply grasping the elements of something without becoming captured in the dynamic - is a skill that permits a broad range of connections to be made, and execution of action to be performed within the greater context.

It would be terrible if everyone was the same - if everyone was "deep". And it's notoriously unhealthy to force people to be a certain way based on ones own values.

Further, it's all relative.

I have had relationships with earth signs that are much deeper than me and who wanted more than my air could give. And to others, these same people may be considered less deep.

So what if some people are shallow and others deep anyway.

I do believe your question has been answered.

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I’m not trying to force anyone to be deep. I’m simply asking why this Element like Air is not considered shallow because in my experiences these people have not been that deep. Actually the most detached people i have ever seen have had Air and Earth moons.

posted December 01, 2022 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
I get your overall point though, SleepyDiary.

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posted December 01, 2022 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Thank you. I’m not saying they don’t have a good side to them but they can if they are of the negative sort be ‘’shallow’’ depthless whatever and put security above everything else. They can be tempted to use others for their money and goods, and greed can also be very common with this Element. A lot of those ‘’Trophy wives’’ that dread having sex with their husbands because you know they aren’t actually attracted to them but they got that money in the bag but it came with a price 😜 are women that have Earth located somewhere in their charts esp in Cap or Taurus.

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You're welcome. 🙂

posted December 01, 2022 11:45 AM            

“Shallowness- lack of depth of character, insight, or serious thought.” (A definition from a dictionary)

What’s about dating somebody solely for a look or good sex. Is it deep?

Don’t say water cannot be materialistic. It’s ruled by Pluto what is about power and manipulations. Most calculating people I’ve known had water.
And many are emotionally unavailable despite having many emotions to themselves.

Assuming, people are like that only because they have earth or air in their chart is not right. If all earth are afflicted by water or fire?
Though, Taurus and Capricorn have inclinations toward that.

posted December 01, 2022 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
So shallowness or gold- digging? Gold-digger could be shallow (maybe, she marries rich to safe her village and doing a lot of good deeds. Could you say she is a shallow person?) However, could you call everybody who married poor people deep?

“Shallowness- lack of depth of character, insight, or serious thought.” (A definition from a dictionary)

What’s about dating somebody solely for a look or good sex. Is it deep?

Don’t tell water cannot be materialistic. It’s ruled by Pluto what is about power and manipulations. Most calculating people I’ve known had water.
And many are emotionally unavailable despite having many emotions to themselves.

Assuming, people are like that only because they have earth or air in their chart is ridicules. If all earth are afflicted by water or fire?
Also, going with stereotypes I don’t see how Virgo fits. They’re supposed to be insecure, OCD. I don’t see how somebody who is constantly correcting your grammar mistakes (not truth btw) could be a good candidate for a trophy wife lol

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posted December 01, 2022 01:38 PM            

But i think the difference between earth elements (unlike air) is that earth tends to be consistent. Even if their stance is unpopular.

My Taurus mate will not compromise when it comes to dating. They will not date someone who doesn't have their own car. This no matter how attractive the prospective individual may be. They may sh** them. But that's where it ends.

With a Gemini for instance, they may verbally say that they won't. But then fall head over heels for one. And deny they ever uttered such words.

What makes air "shallow" is the inability to be consistent. This especially in Lib/Gem. These energies can change to accommodate the context they are in. So it tends to give them a reputation of being "flaky".

posted December 01, 2022 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I understand what you mean by your query.The things you mentioned of earth signs, are consistent with my experiences with many.

But i think the difference between earth elements (unlike air) is that earth tends to be consistent. Even if their stance is unpopular.

My Taurus mate will not compromise when it comes to dating. They will not date someone who doesn't have their own car. This no matter how attractive the prospective individual may be. They may sh** them. But that's where it ends.

With a Gemini for instance, they may verbally say that they won't. But then fall head over heels for one. And deny they ever uttered such words.

What makes air "shallow" is the inability to be consistent. This especially in Lib/Gem. These energies can change to accommodate the context they are in. So it tends to give them a reputation of being "flaky".

And perhaps this is seen as more "shallow" than the former? Because it's better someone who is consistently a snob rather than another who'll suddenly not eat crab because they are with certain company( if you catch my drift). And air signs Lib/Gem ( but not so much Aqua) can be like this.

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Thank you for finally answering my question and explaining it so breathtakingly well 👍 Now i get it thanks to YOU