posted January 16, 2023 08:32 AM            

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Libras are the scales, so many of them love a great DEBATE. 💯 They are logical, so they seek to understand things. But most generally aren't Fighters! They are BUILT to ultimately bring peace, beauty & balance to their environment. A Libra out of alignment with their core was probably pushed to be tougher while growing up - as they can go DARK when they need to.

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posted January 16, 2023 08:48 AM            

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🦋 FEMININITY is defined as:

"Qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women or girls."

So you are absolutely correct Sleepy. 💯 And I get very turned off at how delusional some people are about this subject now. Insane times we are living in today. Ick! LOL

Yes - we ALL have both Masculine & Feminine energy within us. ❤💜 But it is rarely a 50/50 split. Usually, you will have one as your PRIMARY (default) and the other is there for you to access when needed for appropriate use & balanced connection. This sh--t isn't complicated! The exception is NOT the rule.

Modern Women have been taught to *covet* the natural Masculinity of Men and to unnaturally shun the organic Femininity within their core - forcing themselves to be like the *same* men that they hate. 🤷🏾‍ It's toxic AF! It's destroying our society in more ways than one. And is rather prevalent on this forum.

I LOVE BEING A WOMAN. 💕💕 I LOVE OUR GIFTS.

You can be intelligent, be confident & be outspoken as a woman and STILL BE FEMININE. 👍🏾 Just don't go off the deep end!

You can be artistic, intuitive or kind as a man and STILL BE MASCULINE. 👍🏾

Things only become problematic when a man *represses* his PRIMARY energy and fails to fully embody his God-Given Divine Masculinity. 💯 Either out of fear of failure and/or lack of being taught by strong, healthy Male Mentors on how to get there. The number of deeply unhappy, miserable & unfulfilled men out here today who are LOST in Role Reversal is astounding!! They know something is deeply OFF but they keep sitting on their a$$es making excuses.

^^Are Libra & Cancer Males more susceptible to this behavior than Capricorn & Leo Males? To an extent, yes. And I've said so. On average, some Signs (or placements) do come across more Masculine than others. However - a man is still a man at the end of the day. 💯 A man cannot out-woman me! And even when a man is *organically* feminine overall (Ex: some Gay Men)... a woman *fully* embodied in her natural Femininity will always OUTDO and be more potent than his. 💕 A Drag Queen impersonating Marilyn Monroe will never actually *BE* her in any real capacity. And Lord knows I love a good Drag Show! Same goes in reverse - a tough Tomboy will NEVER be The Rock or as strong as he is. And that's perfectly OK.

Men & Women are NOT the same. But we are both of EQUAL value. ❤💜 We were never meant to be at war with each other like this! It must stop.

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It’s so tiresome how the world is now with all the new age nonesense like they/him/she/her/it and whatever more nonesense they can come up with and then us ‘’old schoolers’’ get crap for simply stating facts. Doesn’t mean i can’t tolerate it but learn to tolerate us old schoolers too. We women fought to bring more ‘’feminine’’ ways of doing things here in the world and brought it out of the men too.

posted January 16, 2023 03:17 PM            

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It’s so tiresome how the world is now with all the new age nonesense like they/him/she/her/it and whatever more nonesense they can come up with and then us ‘’old schoolers’’ get crap for simply stating facts. Doesn’t mean i can’t tolerate it but learn to tolerate us old schoolers too. We women fought to bring more ‘’feminine’’ ways of doing things here in the world and brought it out of the men too.

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Yep. Tiresome & annoying AF.

The same people preaching "tolerance" are often the most INTOLERANT. 💯 They want to ERASE (instead of embrace) differences and make everyone *exactly* the same.

posted January 16, 2023 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Yep. Tiresome & annoying AF.

The same people preaching "tolerance" are often the most INTOLERANT. 💯 They want to ERASE (instead of embrace) differences and make everyone *exactly* the same.

No thank you.

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Not at all. Some just don't want to accept something that's happening to others. these "don't say gay" laws, and anti-trans laws, as well as calling them all groomers? Not healthy, not good, not showing acceptance in any way. How long have drag queens been around? Now they're suddenly groomers and pedophiles? Nope. In the meantime, women are still being killed by their extremely hetero husbands and boyfriends. Also, beaten and raped, if not murdered in the end.

posted January 16, 2023 06:19 PM            

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Not at all. Some just don't want to accept something that's happening to others. these "don't say gay" laws, and anti-trans laws, as well as calling them all groomers? Not healthy, not good, not showing acceptance in any way. How long have drag queens been around? Now they're suddenly groomers and pedophiles? Nope. In the meantime, women are still being killed by their extremely hetero husbands and boyfriends. Also, beaten and raped, if not murdered in the end.

I've been trying to avoid GU, to avoid these sort of debates.

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Referring to Straight People as "breeders" isn't healthy. Calling women "fish" and demanding to compete against them in sports is unacceptable.

Calling men "predators" for simply approaching you and initiating conversation is absurd and is an insult to REAL victims of assault.

Constantly rambling about Toxic Masculinity while refusing to acknowledge the epidemic of Toxic Femininity today - is such hypocrisy.

Insisting that EVERY White Conservative is a racist and that EVERY White Liberal is an angelic hero - is beyond screwed up. Lies.

The idea that someone MUST subscribe to far-left ideology just because they are Black/Latino, have a vagina, happen to be gay, etc - is racist, sexist & homophobic in and of itself. 💯 Assumptions repulse me.

How can someone say that Feminism is a woman's right to choose - yet they try to BULLY every woman who decides to make different CHOICES than them? 🤷🏾‍♀️ If you (or whoever) want to go 50/50 on dates, have 10 abortions, be an OnlyFans girl, propose on bended knee to a non-binary man and worship the Devil over God -- have at it. Do whatever you wish! 👍🏾 Just understand that many (of us) women don't find the idea of ANY of that to be appealing or fulfilling. And that's totally fine and perfectly normal.

posted January 16, 2023 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Yep. Tiresome & annoying AF.

The same people preaching "tolerance" are often the most INTOLERANT. 💯 They want to ERASE (instead of embrace) differences and make everyone *exactly* the same.

No thank you.

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posted January 16, 2023 08:24 PM            

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Referring to Straight People as "breeders" isn't healthy. Calling women "fish" and demanding to compete against them in sports is unacceptable.

Calling men "predators" for simply approaching you and initiating conversation is absurd and is an insult to REAL victims of assault.

Constantly rambling about Toxic Masculinity while refusing to acknowledge the epidemic of Toxic Femininity today - is such hypocrisy.

Insisting that EVERY White Conservative is a racist and that EVERY White Liberal is an angelic hero - is beyond screwed up. Lies.

The idea that someone MUST subscribe to far-left ideology just because they are Black/Latino, have a vagina, happen to be gay, etc - is racist, sexist & homophobic in and of itself. 💯 Assumptions repulse me.

How can someone say that Feminism is a woman's right to choose - yet they try to BULLY every woman who decides to make different CHOICES than them? 🤷🏾‍♀️ If you (or whoever) want to go 50/50 on dates, have 10 abortions, be an OnlyFans girl, propose on bended knee to a non-binary man and worship the Devil over God -- have at it. Do whatever you wish! 👍🏾 Just understand that many (of us) women don't find the idea of ANY of that to be appealing or fulfilling. And that's totally fine and perfectly normal.

*FYI - I have nothing against Drag Queens. I adore them. ❤ I simply stated that being a Feminine Man will never compare to the Femininity of an actual WOMAN. And I believe that Drag Shows are for adults - not impressionable children.

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This is so tiresome all of it. I believe in two genders and i also embrace the differences between us. Give credit where it’s due and stop acting ‘’surprised’’ when someone calls certain qualities Feminine and Masculine both men and women have taught and learned from each other for years. Even feminists wants to be like men and do the things they do. Their outspokeness and fighting spirit is all inspired by men. This didn’t come out of nowhere

posted January 17, 2023 04:07 AM            

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This is so tiresome all of it. I believe in two genders and i also embrace the differences between us. Give credit where it’s due and stop acting ‘’surprised’’ when someone calls certain qualities Feminine and Masculine both men and women have taught and learned from each other for years. Even feminists wants to be like men and do the things they do. Their outspokeness and fighting spirit is all inspired by men. This didn’t come out of nowhere

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posted January 17, 2023 04:08 AM            

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I said I don't idealize Cappies, because I never have, but I wouldn't mind having Nina Dobrev's lifestyle. I just made the mistake of clicking over to her instagram, and she's always just having a good time. Travelling the world, with her friends and/or boyfriend.

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posted January 17, 2023 06:36 AM            

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This is so tiresome all of it. I believe in two genders and i also embrace the differences between us. Give credit where it’s due and stop acting ‘’surprised’’ when someone calls certain qualities Feminine and Masculine both men and women have taught and learned from each other for years. Even feminists wants to be like men and do the things they do. Their outspokeness and fighting spirit is all inspired by men. This didn’t come out of nowhere

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This isn’t about Astrology anymore but about hurt feelings. Believe whatever you want. Embrace your femininity and the way you want to live your life. Be happy and blessed in your personal choices.

posted January 17, 2023 11:16 AM            

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I agree with Aries23Degrees. The masculine and feminine polarities within Astrology are not the same as societal perception of these concepts. It can be confusing, especially because there is some overlap. Personally, I find the the concepts of introvert vs. extrovert and absorbing vs. reflecting very helpful in understanding the polarization of energy within Astrology.

There are some very clear articles online about this concept as well:
https://medium.com/@Rebecca_Brents/masculine-signs-feminine-signs-a82dd8d64cec
https://www.thesoothe.co/connect/astrology/astrologys-feminine-side-star-signs-iwd

So it’s more with what type of energy you approach the world than how society expects a man or woman to behave. Earth signs are “feminine” signs because they are sensitive to their surroundings. They absorb the energy around them and respond. Earth signs are also about “material”, they are builders, creators and very physical. Society sees this “provider” energy as something masculine, but that’s a different concept than within Astrology. Libra is a Cardinal Air sign and ruled by Venus. It’s “masculine” energy within Astrology as it is driven to actively engage with their surroundings to achieve harmony and peace. It uses “soft” skills to achieve its goals. Negotiation and diplomacy are seen as a “feminine” in society because it isn’t aggressive. But it’s still an “extroverted” energy.

There have been a lot of questions about masculinity and femininity on this forum. And honestly, a lot of the times it feels competitive. It gives off a “pick me” vibe. If you’re a woman with a lot of Earth or Aries energy, you’re too dominant and “masculine”. Not soft enough to be attractive. If you’re a Libra or Cancer Man, you’re too soft and accommodating to be attractive. To me, the value of Astrology is in getting to know yourself and learning to lovingly accept the whole you. The concept of “ masculine” and “feminine” energy is neutral within Astrology. It’s not better to have more of one or the other, whether you’re a man or a woman.

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It escalated to beyond this level. As i suspected it would. The words 'feminine' and 'masculine' have so much connotative charge nowadays(as they should because we are in the process of redefining what that means in terms of societal perspectives).

So perhaps to defuse this charge caused by the misleading words themselves, the polarities should no longer be termed 'masculine' and 'feminine'. But 'the inhaling', the 'pull', the 'retention' (Cancer, Taurus, Virgo, Sco, Cap, Pisces) and the 'exhaling', the 'push' and 'release' applying to the signs Aries, Gem, Leo, Lib, Sag, Aqua

Because I have noticed that both Virgo and Cap tend to bottle stuff up (this especially the Moon position). Whilst Libra (on the Moon) will want to let things out.

posted January 17, 2023 12:45 PM            

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It escalated to beyond this level. As i suspected it would. The words 'feminine' and 'masculine' have so much connotative charge nowadays(as they should because we are in the process of redefining what that means in terms of societal perspectives).

So perhaps to diffuse this charge caused by the misleading words themselves, the polarities should no longer be termed 'masculine' and 'feminine'. But 'the inhaling', the 'pull', the 'retention' (Cancer, Taurus, Virgo, Sco, Cap, Pisces) and the 'exhaling', the 'push' and 'release' applying to the signs Aries, Gem, Leo, Lib, Sag, Aqua

Because I have noticed that both Virgo and Cap tend to bottle stuff up (this especially the Moon position). Whilst Libra (on the Moon) will want to let things out.

These are differences in the approach when dealing with emotions- this whether a male or female.

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posted January 17, 2023 02:29 PM            

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Okey king Aries23 stepped in so i’m gonna bow out of this discussion out of respect to him and a few others here and not shove my beliefs down anyone’s throats wasn’t what i was trying to do anyways i was simply just talking to my friend Lovely about our same views. I apologize if anyone felt offended by my views

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You weren't forcing your beliefs onto anyone. YOU have been forced into defending your traditional stance when you shouldn't have had to in the first place. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Which is *why* things finally came to a head here. Like a true Libra tho... you ultimately just want PEACE.

posted January 17, 2023 02:58 PM            

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Bottle up things seems like a more traditional masculine trait.

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Fair point.

For instance... women who choose to be highly passive-aggressive. Instead of openly expressing what's actually on their heart in a healthy manner, they often bottle up their true feelings until they explode with word vomit. 😮 Stoicism and repression of emotions is actually associated with Masculinity. So she's exhibiting a distorted version of that.

posted January 18, 2023 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Yeah, call it something else. I don’t see any correlations with a traditional meaning of those terms. It makes everything more confusing.
There were several topics here where people took those definitions very literally and straight forward.

Bottle up things seems like a more traditional masculine trait.

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I think you are bringing it back to gender. Masculinity and men have become so synonymous in our thinking, this because of societal conditioning.

Men are expected to "bottle feelings" and lean towards "stoicism" etc. And because we see an overwhelming number of men align to that blueprint, we say that it must be a "masculine" trait.

And besides, "muscles" sounds so close to "masculine" (which we equate to "men") that we are quick to assume that women who have muscles are trying to be "men"/ are lesbian (therefore still trying to "take" the place of men) etc.

Whilst women(contrast to that) are said to be more "expressive" and "open" etc. And most times expected to be because if they are not, they are called "bi***" or "ice queens" or "butch" etc.

Even clothes for women are more diversified, more "frilly" by design and less "boxy" or rigid than men's. So we see women as equitable to "feminine". And by consequence, "openness" (like a vagina) as a "feminine" trait etc.

I am branching away from societal constructs and other such similar narratives of "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus " stuff and saying that we should just look at energy and how that works. Because energy is indifferent to gender.

Signs Cap, Can, Pisc,Vir,Sco, Tau are signs that have a "self preservation" energy about them. They are risk averse. They contain . They are the "breathing in" energy because they are inwardly focused.

When a woman/man/intersex individual has Moon in Cap, they arr most likely to respond to the Saturnian energy of restrictions , limitations and boundaries etc. By holding things in.

They are not the type to be super expressive emotionally. This even when happy.

Now contrast this with a woman/man /intersex individual who has Moon in Aries(barring other filtering factors). They'll seem boisterous,loud, excitable, someone who can't contain themselves because(essentially) they can't.

Aries responds to Mars-hot, sizzling, active and expressive energy. It is the "breathing out",the "exhaling" force of life.

posted January 18, 2023 11:15 AM            

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Fair point.

For instance... women who choose to be highly passive-aggressive. Instead of openly expressing what's actually on their heart in a healthy manner, they often bottle up their true feelings until they explode with word vomit. 😮 Stoicism and repression of emotions is actually associated with Masculinity. So she's exhibiting a distorted version of that.

Regardless of gender though... NO ONE should constantly repress themselves. We're human.

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Passive aggressive is tricky. It would depend how it’s used. I usually look at it as an expression of anger because it cannot be expressed openly for some reasons, maybe, pain. And it seems more feminine because traditional women were taught to be soft and agreeable in old times.
You say expressing what’s on your heart. I guess some people could use it because they cannot show other feelings or be vulnerable then it’s more masculine.

posted January 18, 2023 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Okey king Aries23 stepped in so i’m gonna bow out of this discussion out of respect to him and a few others here and not shove my beliefs down anyone’s throats wasn’t what i was trying to do anyways i was simply just talking to my friend Lovely about our same views. I apologize if anyone felt offended by my views

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That’s a nice way to clear up the air. Thank you for that, SleepyDiary. 👍

By the way, when I mentioned that you might be “stirring the pot”. I didn’t mean that in a malignant way. It just seems to me that you’re not afraid to add a little”heat” into the discussions by making strong statements. You definitely have some “Fire” in your personality. And of course it’s not bad to express your emotions about certain topics but it’s also good to leave room for other people as well. As always, it’s about finding balance and we all have the responsibility to make an effort to achieve this.

posted January 18, 2023 12:17 PM            

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Aries23Degrees, you’re such a sweetheart and your Libra Mars certainly shines through. I agree that the concepts of “femininity” and “masculinity” seem to be very triggering at the moment. But I do suspect, based on the reactions on this and other threads, that TO was purposely “stirring the pot” with this one. It’s a shame it escalated though, because it’s helpful to have discussions about some of the basic concepts of Astrology to get a better understanding of the different energies involved.

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🙃Oh gosh. Thank you. My Draconic stellium in Libra(together with Libra Mars) and Sun/Moon Midpoint in Libra, does appreciate what you said.

Yes. I agree with you. I love discussions. On the one hand, they do help clarify confusion by providing more information and differences of opinion to mull over.

But then on the other hand(as you said) there can be people who get triggered and in the process, it degenerates to something else. Lines are drawn,people are no longer speaking to each other etc

Denotative and Connotative meanings are different. And it is often the latter that is charged. This because it is usually influenced by societal views and perspectives that are often based on prejudices and/or stereotypes.

You say "Africa" and perhaps people think "death", "poverty", "disease", "illness", some poor hapless hungry child who no longer has the wherewithal to swot that damn fly out of her face. "Just move your hand and flick it. God damn it!"🤷🏿‍♂️

Whereas, I say "Africa".And i think "home", "freedom", "love", " culture", "ubuntu(humanity)", "laughter", "jubilence", "variety"," happiness" etc.
I don't identify with the "Africa" on the News.

The dictionary meaning of Africa is " Africa is the world's largest continent. At about 30.3 million km˛ including adjacent islands, it covers 6% of Earth's total surface area and 20% of its land area. With 1.4 billion people as of 2021, it accounts for about 18% of the world's human population."

But you'll find lots of discussions on "Africa" online that are based on prejudice and stereotypes which trigger Africans living in Africa as well as black Americans who(by their associative bloodlines stemming from Africa) feel a need to defend it.

posted January 18, 2023 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Okey king Aries23 stepped in so i’m gonna bow out of this discussion out of respect to him and a few others here and not shove my beliefs down anyone’s throats wasn’t what i was trying to do anyways i was simply just talking to my friend Lovely about our same views. I apologize if anyone felt offended by my views

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No need to apologize ❤. I think it started off as a question that others have often asked.

This in particular the confusion as to why Cap is a "feminine" sign and Libra is a "masculine" sign -whereas it is often the former that typifies the standards of what societal "masculine" expression is deemed to be. Whilst the latter fulfills the "feminine" expression of the said group more.

On my side, I was tryimg to say that Astrological "Feminine" and "Masculine" has a different definition and is nore about charge energyof -/+ as polarities etc. Than conforming to the societal definitions of the same two words.

"Fag" in the U.S. is a derogatory term for a gay person(usually male).In my country growing up,"fag" was a cigarette. 🤷🏿‍♂️

Now just imagine transferring to the States during that time, riding on a train whilst feeling exhausted from work,you say "I could really use a fag in my mouth right now."?

posted January 18, 2023 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
You weren't forcing your beliefs onto anyone. YOU have been forced into defending your traditional stance when you shouldn't have had to in the first place. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Which is *why* things finally came to a head here. Like a true Libra tho... you ultimately just want PEACE.

@Aries - I do like the "inhale" and "exhale" descriptors quite a bit, actually.👍🏾 Much more effective.

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Reminds me of the time when I was a kid and mom watched "Waiting to Exhale"- a movie about women going through the most and finding strength in their friendship with each other . And my initial question was "When do they hold their breaths?" 🤣. I was a kid.

But the "waiting to Exhale " was metaphoric i.e. waiting to "live" again, waiting to have the courage to go back out there,waiting to breathe easy, waiting to find confidence again etc.

posted January 18, 2023 01:35 PM            

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Denotative and Connotative meanings are different. And it is often the latter that is charged. This because it is usually influenced by societal views and perspectives that are often based on prejudices and/or stereotypes.

You say "Africa" and perhaps people think "death", "poverty", "disease", "illness", some poor hapless hungry child who no longer has the wherewithal to swot that damn fly out of her face. "Just move your hand and flick it. God damn it!"🤷🏿‍♂️

Whereas, I say "Africa".And i think "home", "freedom", "love", " culture", "ubuntu(humanity)", "laughter", "jubilence", "variety"," happiness" etc.
I don't identify with the "Africa" on the News.

The dictionary meaning of Africa is [b] " Africa is the world's largest continent. At about 30.3 million km˛ including adjacent islands, it covers 6% of Earth's total surface area and 20% of its land area. With 1.4 billion people as of 2021, it accounts for about 18% of the world's human population."

But you'll find lots of discussions on "Africa" online that are based on prejudice and stereotypes which trigger Africans living in Africa as well as black Americans who(by their associative bloodlines stemming from Africa) feel a need to defend it.

Swop that word for "woman","gay", "man", black woman", "white woman" ,Nigerian , Muslim,Christian, Satanist etc. And you will find them just as triggering.

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I’m definitely being triggered now. 😁

Africa is being done an incredible injustice. It’s a huge continent with an amazing history and diverse cultures, it’s the cradle of humanity. But for economic purpose, the continued robbing of resources by a selected few and the charity industry, this continent is marketed as “primitive” by the West. A few years back, they were screaming bloody murder when China increased its influence but to me that only showed their fear of the countries of this continent actually making their own independent choices. Of course China has its own agenda and Africa’s vast natural resources are on it, but the outrage of the Western countries was so hypocritical. It made me very aware of the colonial mindset that is still going strong and the ridiculous infantilization of the people of Africa that benefits the economic agenda of the selected elite of Africa and the big companies profiting from this arrangement.

The same goes for South America as well. Asia seems to be doing better and has its own political and economic powerhouse with China, but still suffers from some degree of prejudice. We are all human beings and deserve to be treated with respect. But it’s difficult to break this cycle. It’s like a generational trauma for both those on the giving and receiving end of this mindset.

posted January 18, 2023 02:38 PM            

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I think you are bringing it back to gender. Masculinity and men have become so synonymous in our thinking, this because of societal conditioning.

Men are expected to "bottle feelings" and lean towards "stoicism" etc. And because we see an overwhelming number of men align to that blueprint, we say that it must be a "masculine" trait.

And besides, "muscles" sounds so close to "masculine" (which we equate to "men") that we are quick to assume that women who have muscles are trying to be "men"/ are lesbian (therefore still trying to "take" the place of men) etc.

Whilst women(contrast to that) are said to be more "expressive" and "open" etc. And most times expected to be because if they are not, they are called "bi***" or "ice queens" or "butch" etc.

Even clothes for women are more diversified, more "frilly" by design and less "boxy" or rigid than men's. So we see women as equitable to "feminine". And by consequence, "openness" (like a vagina) as a "feminine" trait etc.

I am branching away from societal constructs and other such similar narratives of "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus " stuff and saying that we should just look at energy and how that works. Because energy is indifferent to gender.

Signs Cap, Can, Pisc,Vir,Sco, Tau are signs that have a "self preservation" energy about them. They are risk averse. They contain . They are the "breathing in" energy because they are inwardly focused.

When a woman/man/intersex individual has Moon in Cap, they arr most likely to respond to the Saturnian energy of restrictions , limitations and boundaries etc. By holding things in.

They are not the type to be super expressive emotionally. This even when happy.

Now contrast this with a woman/man /intersex individual who has Moon in Aries(barring other filtering factors). They'll seem boisterous,loud, excitable, someone who can't contain themselves because(essentially) they can't.

Aries responds to Mars-hot, sizzling, active and expressive energy. It is the "breathing out",the "exhaling" force of life.

These people will be concerned with self assertion and projecting themselves on to their immediate environment. Thus (by default) are unconsciously "risk seeking".

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That’s why I use “traditional”. Men and women have similar traits and blend of them often. I don’t see anything shameful for men to have women, Yin traits and for women - men as our culture becoming more and more complicated. As traditionally men were leaders and in charge so when a woman got called to lead she needed to bring some traditional masculine qualities.
I think people get upset because they think it’s about the look and attractiveness.

Often, Stone Age is an example of clear traditional masculinity and femininity. Men were hunters, providers, protectors, go getters. Women got to care for home, children, sustain fire to keep a cave warm.
Later, that sustain fire at cave transformed in deeper meanings as sustain RS, emotional environment, be more receptive and so on.

Leave alone all modern day transformations, I don’t see astrology definitions correlating to that traditional masculinity or Yin and Yang. Aries is ruled by mars and 1st in zodiac so it’s easier to see traditional masculine traits and Yang energy there. But it gets more complicated later.

Can you imagine stereotypical Libra or Aqua showing traditional masculine qualities as hunting and being go -getter? They could be equally self preserving and breathing out as they sometimes called cold as withholding. But Libra ruled by Venus and nourish relationships.
Sun and Mars at fall in Libra how we can call it masculinity sign? Astrology contradicts Itself here.
I often notice Libra guys (probably more stellium) by almost feminine charm, softer vibes. Though I cannot say the same about Libra Sun women (not talking about myself lol).