posted January 14, 2023 07:22 AM            

Can,Tau,Vir,Sco,Cap,Pis are the feminine polarity because they are the "breathing in" of life i.e. the receptive ones, the ones who tend to take information in on their respective environment, the attractors in life.

Feminine signs tend towards being risk averse. Life makes an "impression" on them i.e. what does this thing that is happening, have to do with me? They are very internally focused and inwardly motivated. Always looking for what makes them comfortable internally.

Aries, Gem, Leo,Lib,Sag,Aqua are masculine signs. Not because of being "macho". I actually find fem sign sign act more macho than masc sign men. Perhaps to conceal their more receptive / hypersensitive nature?

Masculine signs are the "breathing out" of life,they assert themselves on life, are expressive, outwardly driven, looking to "act" rather than attract, risk-seeking. Masculine signs ask "How can i impact the environment i am in?" . They are looking to leave an impression.

So Libra may be gentle(ruled by Ven).But unless various other factors in the chart indicate otherwise, Libra gets "re-vitalized"(Sun) through doing "masculine" things i.e. reaching out to others, bonding with others, relating to others, being with others etc.

Cap may seem strict and austere(Sat ruled)-traits often mistaken to be "masculine" and(by society's standards) "strong ". A lot of men take the Cap approach in dealing with life. Because that's what society expects of men.

But Cap energy (unless various other factors indicate the contrary)when on the Sun,is revitalized by going within. Closing off from others, retreating, internalizing stuff to seek their own private counsel. These are feminine traits.

So a native with Lib Sun/Cap Moon may seek company & look to be more "extroverted" in essence (Lib). But the position of the Moon in Cap negates the number within the "crowds" and draws boundaries on the company that the individual can be extroverted with.

This means when in selected (restricted company),this Libra comes out and shows their engaging qualities.But when the environment (Moon) is more threatening-Cap doesn't feel comfortable being "judged"- this person can seem more reserved /restrained and even introverted.

Lib Sun/Cap Moon temd ro be qyite faithful to their friends, business
Associates, lovers and family. They believe in preserving and elongating those relationships. Even as they are open to new ones, the Cap Moon makes them faithful to those that came before.

For a Cap Sun with Libra Moon,they are comfortable and revitalised (Sun) when in isolation or spending time alone (Cap). But on occasion of being with others (spouse, friends, colleagues) they will "assert" themselves on to the environment and seem more extroverted.

It matters not how many people there are, these people are comfortable. But notice how they may go off the radar for a while after a social event? This they do to recuperate and re-energize themselves internally in order to be in the company of others again.

Cap Sun, Lib Moon can be surprisingly secretive. Always putting up a brave face or a smiling face im order to uplift others or be the life of the party. It is seldom(if ever) that they will share what is going on with them when upset.

But they are always willing to listen and advise you when you are in a bind. They draw their own strength through self-imposed exile (Cap Sun). And will not be comfortable in letting you see them in that state. So you may occasionally feel "shut out" by them.

You can't ask a Cap Sun to constantly be around people.It'll tax them and cause them to be tense.As much as you can't ask a Lib Sun to isolate for long period. The lack of contact with others depresses their spirits. They need that rapport.

posted January 14, 2023 08:37 AM            

Since I'm highly Venusian... Libra Men do tend to like me and so they will often pretend to be more of "my type" but it's not authentic and never really works out in the end. I need more layers & backbone in my man. 👍🏾 They are charming AF though! And we do often get along on a surface level.

posted January 14, 2023 09:17 AM            

There are some very clear articles online about this concept as well:
https://medium.com/@Rebecca_Brents/masculine-signs-feminine-signs-a82dd8d64cec
https://www.thesoothe.co/connect/astrology/astrologys-feminine-side-star-signs-iwd

So it’s more with what type of energy you approach the world than how society expects a man or woman to behave. Earth signs are “feminine” signs because they are sensitive to their surroundings. They absorb the energy around them and respond. Earth signs are also about “material”, they are builders, creators and very physical. Society sees this “provider” energy as something masculine, but that’s a different concept than within Astrology. Libra is a Cardinal Air sign and ruled by Venus. It’s “masculine” energy within Astrology as it is driven to actively engage with their surroundings to achieve harmony and peace. It uses “soft” skills to achieve its goals. Negotiation and diplomacy are seen as a “feminine” in society because it isn’t aggressive. But it’s still an “extroverted” energy.

posted January 14, 2023 05:07 PM            

I could list plenty of Libra men and women, on both sides of the law, who are not at all passive. Libra is often the intellectual who can be thoughtlessly rude to those seeking sympathy by trying to make an impartial evaluation of the "other points of view" he or she is not hearing (which the one seeking sympathy does not want to hear). Oddly, the most "romantic" Libra I can think of offhand is Bonnie Parker (Clyde's partner), mainly through her poetry (might be fun to see her argue with Judge Judy, another Libra).

Perhaps if I kept up with the Hollywood celebrities like a good neo-Libra (oh hell, about everyone) I could think of some that fit your stereotypes.

In my own life, I knew only one effeminate Libra man. And even he was prissy and judgmental, and not afraid to show it. He and I (another Libra) got into many arguments, and I enjoyed trolling him (probably my Sag stellium, I don't know his chart beyond that he was a Libra sun). Oh yeah, funny story, he gained the trust of the landlord, stole the rent money and fled to Canada. Don't know what happened to him after that.

posted January 14, 2023 06:04 PM            

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posted January 14, 2023 11:04 PM            

This is because their aura is drier and more thought-focused rather than sticky and emotional. Each have their own talents. Water and earth are deeper, fire and air are broader.

posted January 15, 2023 01:05 AM            

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posted January 15, 2023 01:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It has nothing to do with qualities or stereotypes related to sex or gender. It's about polarity.

Positively charged (+) signs (fire, air) are referred to as 'masculine' and negatively charged (-) ones (earth, water) are referred to as 'feminine.' A bit of a misleading equivalency, perhaps.

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posted January 15, 2023 06:40 AM            

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There have been a lot of questions about masculinity and femininity on this forum. And honestly, a lot of the times it feels competitive. It gives off a “pick me” vibe. If you’re a woman with a lot of Earth or Aries energy, you’re too dominant and “masculine”. Not soft enough to be attractive. If you’re a Libra or Cancer Man, you’re too soft and accommodating to be attractive. To me, the value of Astrology is in getting to know yourself and learning to lovingly accept the whole you. The concept of “ masculine” and “feminine” energy is neutral within Astrology. It’s not better to have more of one or the other, whether you’re a man or a woman.

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For me it’s not about who’s better actually i find Earth and Fire qualities more idealised in Astrology i have all the supposed ‘’weak’’ signs in me. Libras get **** for being friendly and are called fake because they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings so they will say something that might not be what they really feel or think to spare your feelings and this only or most often happens if a Libra doesn’t feel that close with you or if you have made it very clear that it will be very difficult to be honest with you. But Virgos might get ‘’praise’’ for having a more insensitive attitude towards people and this is seen as ‘’cool’’ and the approach you are ‘’supposed’’ to have. It’s ‘’cool’’ not to be a small talker, it’s ‘’cool’’ not to be friendly, it’s ‘’cool’’ not to smile and it’s ‘’cool’’ not to spare anyone’s feelings. And my Moon sign Cancer another supposed ‘’weak’’ sign gets crap because we express emotions which is another thing that isn’t ‘’cool’’ and care about others where we come of ‘’clingy’’ you are supposed to act more like the cool gang Capricorns and bury your feelings and beg them to pay more attention to you or be vindictive and ‘’mysterious’’ like a Scorpio. People on here have idealised Earth (esp Capricorn) and Fire (because they are assertive and stubborn) for years because of these qualities even articles about them see them as ‘’strong’’ because they keep their emotions in or if you are competitive and assertive like Fire, and the only Water sign that gets ‘’idealised’’ is Scorpio because of the very fact that they keep their emotions locked up and have people ‘’guessing’’ and it’s so cool that they take ‘’revenge’’ on others too. All this is seen as strength and qualities you should admire

posted January 15, 2023 11:51 AM            

I used to be a lot softer, and I'm an Aries, but people online would beg to differ. Same with my moon conjunct venus in gemini, square mars. Soft and mushy, people-pleasing, peacemaker, unless really pushed. I set boundaries when I absolutely needed to, but I was punished for that, because I was just expected to go along. And, online or off, people love to go off on Gemini not being trustworthy.

posted January 15, 2023 12:31 PM            

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I also know Librans who are more outspoken than I am. One former LL'er posts a lot about politics on social media, more than I do. I think that anyone can be soft or harsh, outspoken or quiet, depending on the circumstances. My sister used to be sick of hearing all of the dull things about cappies. Like they never have any fun.

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I know they can be i am one of those Libras but Libras can also be passive and want peace and keep their mouth shut too because the drama isn’t worth it which i find admirable. They also have a knack for making people get along too. Anyone can be those things yes but i am one of those that will put a gender linked to certain qualities like softness i see as more feminine why do people get so angry about that? Us women have embraced this for years we were the ones that ‘’put’’ this out there and encouraged men to get more in touch with their feelings and express it. We women were passive because the drama wasn’t worth it, we were passive because we wanted to survive and we were passive because we simply knew better. These are our qualities and we taught the world to have a softer side and some women take pride in that.

posted January 15, 2023 02:02 PM            

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I know they can be i am one of those Libras but Libras can also be passive and want peace and keep their mouth shut too because the drama isn’t worth it which i find admirable. They also have a knack for making people get along too. Anyone can be those things yes but i am one of those that will put a gender linked to certain qualities like softness i see as more feminine why do people get so angry about that? Us women have embraced this for years we were the ones that ‘’put’’ this out there and encouraged men to get more in touch with their feelings and express it. We women were passive because the drama wasn’t worth it, we were passive because we wanted to survive and we were passive because we simply knew better. These are our qualities and we taught the world to have a softer side and some women take pride in that.

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The thing is that avoiding drama can also mean avoiding important conversations. Whether it’s personal or political (and the personal can be political).

posted January 15, 2023 03:08 PM            

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Libra(Air) is for sure masculine it is odd-number 7, Air points upward and its part of the Aries axis. Fire signs have no problem dealing with emotions and that does not make Leo or Aries less masculine.

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posted January 15, 2023 03:41 PM            

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and gets easily annoyed by emotional types.

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posted January 15, 2023 04:01 PM            

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posted January 15, 2023 04:05 PM            

But it does get tiresome to hear over and over how Libra needs someone to constantly hold their hand and are spineless rather than cardinal, treacherous instead of trying to be fair (not always succeeding, but still), a slave to fashion magazines (when many would find such magazines gaudy, or be the ones who make them), when that's not what I read learning astrology nor a reflection of many real life Librans (and would've dismissed it if I had).

It's true that Librans seek Balance, which SOMETIMES means being diplomatic or "feminine" but not always. And yet many here focus on only one side of the Scale while ignoring the other, the original post an example of that.

I've also talked about some of the other strange stereotypes that have replaced what I learned as well, so it's not just Libra. And I can describe negative qualities we have to watch out for (just not much of what I see here) so I'm not just trying to be "blindly positive."

Sites like LL has done more to make me question astrology than any skeptic ever has, and I'm still waiting to get hold of some of the old books that got me into it to see how it looks to me now. In truth, I fear that maybe it created a "bias" in how I saw others, just as I think is happening with those studying astrology now, so that we have a strong tendency to ignore what doesn't fit, and exaggerate what does in our view. I know many do that. Maybe I'll decide I've done that myself, once I read the older books again (no longer in print, and libraries aren't as capable as they used to be in getting such books that tend to be thrown out). Only then will I decide once and for all if I still believe in it.

I have sampled a few of the new books, and for the most part (few notable exceptions), it comes off as very pop and simplistic despite adding in new stuff like asteroids, and I'd like to think I wouldn't have been pulled in by that even as a kid as I was the by the old lore published from before astrology becoming a pop sensation (Linda Goodman about the latest, though I've read a couple after hers were published that I recall liking, at least one published in the 1980s, a popular astrology author at the time, but I haven't heard her name in a long while).

posted January 15, 2023 05:41 PM            

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I used to be a lot softer, and I'm an Aries. Soft and mushy, people-pleasing, peacemaker, unless really pushed. I set boundaries when I absolutely needed to, but I was punished for that, because I was just expected to go along.

I also know Librans who are more outspoken than I am. One former LL'er posts a lot about politics on social media, more than I do.

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Hi Teasel.

Upbringing plays a role in this. An Aries being harshly punished for setting boundaries or unfairly ridiculed for speaking out when they are young can distort their view of themselves. 💯 And cause the Aries to "play" peacemaker or become a doormat even! However, that is NOT the true nature of Aries at all. It's not natural for us to give our power away and remain silent. F--K NO.

If an Aries has lost their voice... inner work must be done in order to heal. 💜 God literally BUILT us to fight back, build courage & inspire others to grow & do the same. ♈ Rams can be very kind, supportive & protective over their Loved Ones though! So we do have a heart, too.

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posted January 15, 2023 06:33 PM            

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In your experience they probably are but not in mine. I have known a lot of Firey types and the only emotions they feel most comfortable expressing is anger and joy and when they feel like being ‘’sweet’’ they will play fight and make some lighthearted fun of you.

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Fire Signs have emotions. We are very passionate & loving people. 🔥 But we know how to love without *suffocating* you like the Water Signs often do.

Our love invigorates!

The immature Fire Natives will "play fight" like kids or roast you to show their affection; The mature ones will propose to you amidst the fireworks on the 4th of July or randomly slow dance with you as you're cooking in the kitchen & kiss you.

posted January 15, 2023 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It has nothing to do with qualities or stereotypes related to sex or gender. It's about polarity.

Positively charged (+) signs (fire, air) are referred to as 'masculine' and negatively charged (-) ones (earth, water) are referred to as 'feminine.' A bit of a misleading equivalency, perhaps.

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posted January 15, 2023 08:29 PM            

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Anyone can be those things yes but i am one of those that will put a gender linked to certain qualities like softness i see as more feminine why do people get so angry about that? Us women have embraced this for years we were the ones that ‘’put’’ this out there and encouraged men to get more in touch with their feelings and express it. These are our qualities and we taught the world to have a softer side and some women take pride in that.

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🦋 FEMININITY is defined as:

"Qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of women or girls."

So you are absolutely correct Sleepy. 💯 And I get very turned off at how delusional some people are about this subject now. Insane times we are living in today. Ick! LOL

Yes - we ALL have both Masculine & Feminine energy within us. ❤💜 But it is rarely a 50/50 split. Usually, you will have one as your PRIMARY (default) and the other is there for you to access when needed for appropriate use & balanced connection. This sh--t isn't complicated! The exception is NOT the rule.

Modern Women have been taught to *covet* the natural Masculinity of Men and to unnaturally shun the organic Femininity within their core - forcing themselves to be like the *same* men that they hate. 🤷🏾‍ It's toxic AF! It's destroying our society in more ways than one. And is rather prevalent on this forum.

I LOVE BEING A WOMAN. 💕💕 I LOVE OUR GIFTS.

You can be intelligent, be confident & be outspoken as a woman and STILL BE FEMININE. 👍🏾 Just don't go off the deep end!

You can be artistic, intuitive or kind as a man and STILL BE MASCULINE. 👍🏾

Things only become problematic when a man *represses* his PRIMARY energy and fails to fully embody his God-Given Divine Masculinity. 💯 Either out of fear of failure and/or lack of being taught by strong, healthy Male Mentors on how to get there. The number of deeply unhappy, miserable & unfulfilled men out here today who are LOST in Role Reversal is astounding!! They know something is deeply OFF but they keep sitting on their a$$es making excuses.

^^Are Libra & Cancer Males more susceptible to this behavior than Capricorn & Leo Males? To an extent, yes. And I've said so. On average, some Signs (or placements) do come across more Masculine than others. However - a man is still a man at the end of the day. 💯 A man cannot out-woman me! And even when a man is *organically* feminine overall (Ex: some Gay Men)... a woman *fully* embodied in her natural Femininity will always OUTDO and be more potent than his. 💕 A Drag Queen impersonating Marilyn Monroe will never actually *BE* her in any real capacity. And Lord knows I love a good Drag Show! Same goes in reverse - a tough Tomboy will NEVER be The Rock or as strong as he is. And that's perfectly OK.

posted January 15, 2023 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
It has nothing to do with qualities or stereotypes related to sex or gender. It's about polarity.

Positively charged (+) signs (fire, air) are referred to as 'masculine' and negatively charged (-) ones (earth, water) are referred to as 'feminine.' A bit of a misleading equivalency, perhaps.

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We get that. And fair enough. 👍🏾