posted July 02, 2009 06:30 PM         

So here it is and I will try to keep it short.

I do not like Lara for the simple reason that she said she thinks certain people deserve to be raped. I think that is a valid reason to dislike someone. After she said that, I disliked her a lot, and no, I will never change my mind on that. I am holding a grudge, to a certain extent, in that if she responds to me in a attacking way, I will tell her exactly how I feel about her and her opinions. I will not go after her without provocation, though, and I will never address her specifically. I just ignore her unless she attacks me in some way. Like I said, if LL had an "ignore feature" she would've been put on ignore after our fight.

I did not bully her. She actually responded to me in a thread (after the fight we had) and I ignored her completely. This was the AC change thread, I believe. That is not the reaction of a cyberbully or someone holding a grudge. If she would've responded to me in the form of an attack, I would have responded to her in kind. Otherwise, I ignore her.

I am not starting this thread for a fight, or to make up with Lara, but to clear up that I am not a cyberbully, nor am I obsessed with Lara. I think it was demonstrated that I am not, since if you notice, I do not respond to her threads or her posts in threads where I am active, and she happens to post. Obviously Lara thinking I am obsessed with her shows that she thinks a little too highly of herself, because I don't become obsessed with anyone: not celebrities and not real people and certainly not random people on the internet.

Just like everyone else, I come here to read and learn about astrology. I do not feel like dealing with fighting and aggravation on here. I do know I am part of that equation by what I said in the MJ thread and my attacking responses to being attacked. So, I am not laying blame on everyone else, solely.

I don't know why Lara, or anyone else, even cares that I don't like her. I don't care if people don't like me unless they are important to me.

posted July 02, 2009 06:53 PM         

I'm glad you found your way here and posted your POV.

~ Zala

posted July 02, 2009 07:05 PM         

What i said is that i believed karma had a lot to do with rape. Now i suggest you stop spreading sh1t about me once and for all please because i am quite frankly sick of it.

If you are going to quote me, do it in context.. and yes, you did know about my thread because l told you about it on the MJ thread!

I dont' care what you think of me as long as you don't write lies, ok? I don't care if you are obsessed or not... just respect that you don't know me even 1% and leave it at that. You provoked me; i didn't to you.

Anyway, i sincerely hope you find peace with yourself and are able to forgive. Forgiveness is everything.

posted July 02, 2009 07:35 PM         

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RAPE?

Ok i'm not going here except to say this.

The girl Tyson "supposedly" raped gave her panties to his driver before she met him. Then she was in his hotel when he returned to it. Then she chatted him up and went WILLINGLY to his hotel suite. THEN, she excused herself and went to the loo where she proceeded to REMOVE her tampax and let Tyson shag her.

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The girl Mike raped lied in court AND he had to go down otherwise it allows other rapists to get off. Trust me, i know he didn't rape her. SHE allowed him to **** her... now, he's a big guy but she should have known that! She made her money out of him

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Your direct quotes.

I know enough of you from what you wrote above. I know you are a person I want nothing to do with.

Just because I dislike you, and what you said, does not mean I don't have peace. I won't forgive you, because I don't have to. You = nothing to me.

I said in the MJ thread I wouldn't respond to your thread and I assumed it had never even gotten off the ground until I saw it today. It was locked, so I couldn't reply in it.

Hi Zala and Koiflower.

posted July 02, 2009 07:51 PM         

If I mean nothing to you then why do you keep personalizing your posts around me and attacking me?

I think it's a bit low to call me a fake and to say that I play games with men when you quite obviously have such profound issues that you are not balanced enough to judge an online poster regardless of my real life stance.

So don't bother giving me the 'boo hoo' lines now cos I dont buy it.

posted July 02, 2009 07:59 PM         

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Yes Diana and what you quoted from me wasn't rape. It was a cry wolf to make money, similar to MJ's alleged child molestation charge actually.

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Where do I personalize posts around you and attack you, except when you attack me or address me personally first? This thread is in response to a thread you started about ME! Pot, please meet the kettle?!

You do play games with men. I am not the only one who thinks so.

I have profound issues? You started an inflammatory thread about me...

posted July 02, 2009 08:04 PM         

you have no idea what you are on about!

posted July 02, 2009 09:18 PM         

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Thank YOU for listening.

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No, thank YOU for going away, ie not responding to my posts anymore.

posted July 03, 2009 06:14 AM         

Unfortuantely, I personally don't find any of such heated arguments "entertaining" or "amusing" at all It's one of those human tragedies that take place every day.

Koiflower, you said:

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LL is a great safe place to develop our sword-fighting skills.

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There are many types of warfare. Not necessarily all battles can be won with sword-fighting, I'm afraid.

Many a time, it's mind over muscles.

In Sun Tsu's Art of War, Sun Tsu wrote that the best strategy of all is to win without a battle. Go figure.

Impulsive comments and behavior are not even remotely constructive. Those are destructive. In the end, perhaps one's purpose for debating with another person who has different views or positions, is to be nonchalant and diplomatic. Allowing oneself to burst out insults or otherwise provocative, even at times thoughtless, remarks, is not a smart strategy. By behaving so, one does not achieve one's goals like making peace, proving one's opinions are accurate and truthful. Such language and manner only arouse fury. That doesn't help a single bit.

Likewise, should one resents the other for what the other had said in the past, and one is determined to never forgive the other, then such an individual may very well lash out with completely personal grudges on the other in the wrong place- further taking advantage of the mourning and grieving, abusing the so-called freedom of speech, merely for personal grudges, meanwhile seriously ruining a tribute thread. Such an individual has gone too far. This is disrespect, trespassing, and abuse.

If one hates MJ, fine.

I can handle that.

Just ignore the MJ tribute threads, because whilst there are many of you out there who are MJ haters, we would appreciate your respect for leaving us alone. Just like not a single one of us in her or his right mind would try to convert you non-fans or haters into fans. That's respect, too.

Coming onto our particular tribute thread and making hurtful comments merely because one happens to hold grudges against the topic starter of the thread is just not cricket.

The last thing we MJ fans need is more hatred directed toward MJ, now deceased.

I recommend the film "Dead Man Walking", starring Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn, and directed by Tim Robbins, which is based on a true story. I'd suggest that anyone of interest to watch this movie attentively. It will make you think.

In the midst of heated emotion and misleading posts by another individual, indeed, I must admit that I completely lost my temper, and let myself be at the mercy of my own vices, which was obviously unwise, and unjustifiable.

There are times when it is warranted to take things seriously, and refrain from making mindless, tactless comments.

In the case of MJ, there are at least two sides of us, and I sincerely hope that both sides can respect one another and refrain from provoking the other side, especially when the recent incidences involve a death. Please at least show some respect for the departed and let him rest in peace.

No further provocation, please.

The topic starter of this thread has claimed that she would never forgive a rapist, or a child molestor, and that they deserve mishap and death, and insult adding to injury.

That mentality is exactly the core theme of the film and the book "Dead Man Walking".

Yes, it is beyond forgiveness for the victims and the loved ones of the victims.

Yet, if efforts are made to explore humanity more deeply, one might learn a thing or two about compassion, though it is extremely hard- even after the execution of the offender- the rapist and the murderer- the families of the victims did not find peace of mind, relief or solace. They still had a ton of hate in their hearts.

That is understandable, after all, none of us can ask too much from another fellow human being.

However, trying very, very hard to learn, may set oneself free from that hate. It's easier said than done, I know.

To err is human- we all make mistakes.

Please empathize with one another, instead of killing each other (both in a literal and in a metaphorical sense).

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 03, 2009 06:30 AM         

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Unfortuantely, I personally don't find any of such heated arguments "entertaining" or "amusing" at all

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Well, I was just hanging around Central talking about movies and the economy, and then all of a sudden, two royal banshee-like knowflakes came flying out of nowhere.

What was I to do?

Should I cry?

Should I run away?

Should I jump on a band wagon?

Or should I send out a pulse of Pure Love through the cosmic dark energy?

- koiflower, PhD, Mind Sword Fighting in Defeating Anger in Others

So take that.....

....and that....

...... and for my final fatal blow......

posted July 03, 2009 07:46 AM         

ENOUGH! Geez!

Who's gonna be the grown up and be the one to let it go?

posted July 03, 2009 08:16 AM         

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Nobody ever really knows anyone

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posted July 03, 2009 08:21 AM         

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(not to LL'rs I hasten to add) but occasionally on Youtube)
Shout "Oh well you're an 'effin moron!"
And then ignore them

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Er, never on LL?

LOLOLOLOL