posted November 08, 2009 03:50 PM         

I think a lot. I am very sensitive. I have no water in my chart. I've had scorpios tell me I think too much and I am too sensitive. Go figure. These were "heavy" scorps too, stelliums in scorp. Maybe they don't like to see their feelings and MO mirrored back. I don't know. Don't really care either.

I don't know, astrologically, wha the reason would be for my tendencies. I have a lot of fire and earth. Some air. I have a lot of pluto aspects, natally. Maybe that is it. Maybe it's my progressed chart that has become dominated (and I mean dominated) by pisces. I noticed a change then, before I even looked at a progressed chart, or knew what one even was, so maybe....

posted November 08, 2009 03:55 PM         

the Pluto aspects could certainly figure in.
What about Neptune?
Some Neptune aspects could make you very sensitive.

" Some do not. I somtimes think the one's who do not are like time bombs about to explode when they actually do stop long enough to feel anything, because they aren't accustomed to 'feeling.' Manyh times these kinds are very un-self-actualized and could care less that they have no idea who they are and what makes them tick. I find this the saddest thing. "

I find this a very dangerous thing to go into. Cause even though it may come across, as if some people do less thinking or feeling, this is just based on our perception, which can only see the "outer" of a person.
Someone, a real doer, can be very sensitive and thoughtful inside nevertheless. Sometimes without anyone even noticing it.

I also think there is a difference between being a thinker and a communicator.
Some people may think deeply, but don`t share their thoughts (at least not with everyone), so that others may think they aren`t thinking at all.

Of course there may be some people who are very open about their disinterest in their own psychology.

posted November 08, 2009 03:57 PM         

I'm pointing out a fault which I believe has more relevance for the Earth and Fire signs, and not one which I've personally seen mentioned in an astrology book. I think its insightful and worth a thread, even if its just a little thing. If you disagree, that's fine. You've heard my opinion, I've heard yours, and you've heard my opinion of your opinion. That about does it, wouldn't you say? I think your criticisms are unfair, not because it's unfair to criticize a thread on the grounds you're suggesting, but, because your criticisms bear no relevance to this thread. They don't apply. But they would apply much better on any number of threads you see posted here today. That's my opinion. No need to repeat yours. Sorry you don't like my thread. Any more complaints, is your work here done?

posted November 08, 2009 04:01 PM         

That's a common mistake people make when they judge me. That I'm just trying to start something. I'm actually bringing up things that matter to me, and I'm speaking in the open and honest way that I do, sharing ideas that are (but are not intentionally) controversial. So, naturally, some people are going to misunderstand. As for my Jupiter in Leo, I make no apologies for it. When did it become so much more acceptable to insult another person than to praise oneself?

posted November 08, 2009 04:05 PM         

"I'm pointing out a fault which I believe has more relevance for the Earth and Fire signs, and not one which I've personally seen mentioned in an astrology book."
Yes, and I was actually asking you to
1. tell what exactly is this fault? That they are insensitive towards your philosophical thinking?

2. On what ground do you base your assumption that they are?

" You've heard my opinion, I've heard yours, and you've heard my opinion of your opinion. That about does it, wouldn't you say?"
Actually, it would be my turn now to tell you my opinion of your opinion then.
But I guess I don`t need to tell you.

" I think your criticisms are unfair, not because it's unfair to criticize a thread on the grounds you're suggesting, but, because your criticisms bear no relevance to this thread. They don't apply."
Yes, they do.
Or actually at the time I made my first post they applied.
Luckily it seems as if t his thread actually is taking an astrological turn right now.

" But they would apply much better on any number of threads you see posted here today."
Which ones?

" Any more complaints, is your work here done?"
I pondered if I should give an answer to that.

posted November 08, 2009 04:15 PM         

I don`t doubt that. I just wanted to point out that we have to be careful before we "judge" other people in this way.
Of course, if they have told you, it is different.

posted November 08, 2009 04:18 PM         

" no one inferior to you can judge you..and no one superior would."

times ago i was one of those persons that felt the need to deffend or attack something or someone´s thinking if i thought it was unfair...

but now i realized that...often when a person criticizes other,or do what the OP Is doing...generally criticizing someone by their sun signs...this signifies that the person who criticizes is simply..projecting on others,the faults they dont wanna see in themselves...

it is that simple.

i used to be like that too,but once i realized this pattern behaviour,once i came aware of it,i had the power to change it in myself.

so guys..dont take things personnal.

just be who you are,be happy and dont lose your precious time taking this personally.

these things arent personal.we are the ones who make it like that.

VALUS

we respect the threads that have respect by others,that is a principle.

the way you talked seemed to me that you are the one who is judging first
So,you naturally attracted people who will also judge you.
if you want an interesting discussion,astrologically,you would do much better on not thinking that you are the old soul and we´re the young ones.

what is an older soul really?i can say i am one but that doenst mean im "better" or wiser.

if you think about it,it is quite the contrary. lder souls arent more evolved... because they lived more,instantaneously the Soul made even more "mistakes" and the Wheel of Fortune is always working,always adding some more karmas,some more work to do.

and if you continue coming back,over an over,you are indeed an older soul,but that also means that you didnt evolved as much to make this one your last encarnation.

what (can) make us more evolved in a lifetime,is the ammount of changing we are willing to do with ourselves,,and that doenst involve judging others/generaliting others humanity....

posted November 08, 2009 04:18 PM         

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but I tend to think of it as relating most strongly to the signs of Aries and Leo, and to the Earth Signs... It's when somebody thinks they can just cut through the bullsh-t with a few blunt and intolerant words.

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I have witnessed that time and time again - it usually comes from Virgo, Cappie, Aries (so far, keeping up with what Valus is suggesting here) and sometimes Taurus and Leo. We Saggies often trip all over our words. Usually with very good intentions.

These are just my observations, take them with a grain of salt.

Virgo and Cappie always try to bring you down a notch. "Yes, but somebody has to pay the bills." "Those are just dreams, you need food and shelter to survive"

Yes, I know Cappie and Virgo. I know.
These are not some great revelations that you just shared with me. Things aren't more real because you brought up the demands of the material world in the conversation.

posted November 08, 2009 04:19 PM         

It is simply Valus`s I ego sharing his perception and judgement.

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I see this in unevolved folks of all types, but I tend to think of it as relating most strongly to the signs of Aries and Leo, and to the Earth Signs...

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Take from it what resonates and leave the rest as perception

And thats how I perceive this post .

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted November 08, 2009 04:33 PM         

you are generalizing human beings here...

im a virgo sun....do you see me as someone who brings you down in a notch saying things like"oh my you re going down baby!... "

we are all part of a bigger picture here...we do badly on labelling others like this...and really ...being honest here...i think Humanity will not be the best it can BE,untill we stop looking at other+s faults,and start to look at our own limitations,freeing ourselves from the chains we put in ourselves ( and obviously that others try to put in ourselves)

posted November 08, 2009 04:36 PM         

I think you see
what I'm saying to Xodian.

We call it judgment in others,
but wisdom in ourselves.

It's okay when you say it,
because you're right.

We agree on that.

Where we disagree
has nothing to do
with humility.

We disagree because
you think I'm wrong,
and I think you are.

Simple as that.

You aren't doing
anything different
from what I do,
really.

You just see it that way,
because you think it's
only ego when you're wrong,
but not when you're right.

And you think you're right.

lol

It's interesting,
don't you think?

The other way in which
we seem to disagree,
is that I believe we
should have the freedom
to express ourselves in ways
which are not sympathetic
to falsehood,
while you think that
if I do not suffer fools
it makes me a fool.

Something like that.

posted November 08, 2009 04:43 PM         

"guys...this is sad..
you are generalizing human beings here...

im a virgo sun....do you see me as someone who brings you down in a notch saying things like"oh my you re going down baby!... "
I agree. Not that you bring us down, but that we are generalizing here.

I think it is a tricky thing. Of course astrology is consisting of generalizing.
Like when we are saying "the Virgo-archetpype has to do with pragmatism".

I think it is true for VIRGO as a symbol / type, but a "type" is not equal to a human being.

That is why, we should not stop at these generalizations, which are inherent in astrology, but go further and take the whole chart into account.
The Virgo doesn`t consist only of a Virgo Sun, but maybe of a Scorpio Moon and a Cancer ASC, too.

posted November 08, 2009 04:49 PM         

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We disagree because
you think I'm wrong,
and I think you are.

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Perception is never right or wrong; it just is . On that premise, I did not and will not say you are "wrong" but rather noting the post as a perception and subsequent judgement and certainly not valid as fact

Perhaps I`m wrong ( ) but I sensed a "Valus is spouting his truths again" when you provided clarity that is was a judgemental perception and not Truth about the signs noted.

As for if it`s an astro subject, the Mods are capable of deciding that..

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted November 08, 2009 04:50 PM         

Goethe

posted November 08, 2009 04:52 PM         

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It's interesting to remember that every time we mention 'less evolved souls', there's someone even more evolved than we are thinking the same thing of us.

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Very true.

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And it's quite possible they are not even mentioning that they are more evolved,

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Yes.
But this may just reflect
their unique purpose in life,
and not their "soul level".

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which, IMO, is humbling.

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Many things are humbling.

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And that is what makes them 'evolved'.

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I don't know if you are aware of this, but, that is actually the common view. The one you practically get delivered in your mail every month. If you think with the public, you'll have this view in your pocket next to your license. That doesn't make it wrong. I'm just saying.

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Besides, how else would you be able to measure your own 'progress' as a soul, were it not for those who are less evolved, or deep, or whatever? It's all relative.

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Yes, that's sort of my point. There are souls in both directions, above and below, and your level is not determined by anything other than age, and that's not anything to be proud or ashamed of, or to take credit or blame for. It just is. And it is relevant, particularly when one is in the position of an evolved soul. It's pretty hard to avoid the issue of your individuality when it's a primary theme in your experience. If others speak of themselves less, it may only because they stand out less, and there is not a wealth of characteristics by which to distinguish them, and their view of the world, from the common person or the common view.

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How dull it would be if we were all the same. So evolved. So deep. So brilliant.

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posted November 08, 2009 05:12 PM         

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Perception is never right or wrong; it just is . On that premise, I did not and will not say you are "wrong" but rather noting the post as a perception and subsequent judgement and certainly not valid as fact

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If perception just is,
"fact" has no meaning.

Your distinction
subverts itself.

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Perhaps I`m wrong ( ) but I sensed a "Valus is spouting his truths again" when you provided clarity that is was a judgemental perception and not Truth about the signs noted.

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You sensed correctly that I was spouting my truths again, and, at this point, I will acquiesce to call it a perception, as I have no convenient ways of confirming it as fact. But fact it may very well be.

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As for if it`s an astro subject, the Mods are capable of deciding that..

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Well said.

But will the equity
of their decision
be a perception,
or a fact?

posted November 08, 2009 05:15 PM         

...meanwhile, the world was spinning...