posted November 08, 2009 07:21 PM         

well letus begin with astrology, Lindagoodman's an aries, sydney omars a Leo....i personally think fire signs are the most spiritual signs...

also mother teresa was a virgo.......an earth sign....just examples off the cuff

posted November 08, 2009 07:32 PM         

Hello

I just want to point out that the signs you are perceiving as so simplistic and blunt are a part of your make up as well...you must have them active somewhere in your blueprint too...12 signs in every horoscope :

Maybe they remind you of something you are lacking or need to integrate within you so instead of letting their comment hurt you so deeply just keep doing your thing and if they helped you see something about yourself good, if not move on... everyone has something to teach us

posted November 08, 2009 08:40 PM         

I think the the bluntness of the fire signs and earth signs isn't due to them being simple. Actually, I wouldn't consider any of the signs simple.

First of all, fire signs tend to be blunt probably because they are impatient. They want to know what you are trying to say RIGHT NOW. The earth signs can be blunt because they tend to be focused on getting things done and don't want to deal with a lot of verbal diarrhea.

posted November 08, 2009 09:08 PM         

lol, I don't really give a damn if it's common or not. I'm not trying to be original, just saying what I think. If it's common then so be it. I'm certainly not the type to go around checking what others think or going with what is 'socially acceptable'. Who cares?

I find the whole subject of the evolved vs. the un-evolved rather one-dimensional actually.

Astrologically, I've got a little bit of everything in my chart, in equal amounts. I'd like to think I can identify with all signs to an extent. And I like the bluntness of fire signs - sometimes we need that kind of no-nonsense approach.
I still think it would be awfully boring if we were all so 'evolved' or whatever. Even if were, we'd still all be DIFFERENT and have DIFFERENT approaches and opinions. And there would STILL be no-nonsense types, in different forms. And then what?

posted November 08, 2009 09:17 PM         

explain to me, what this 'evolved' and 'unevolved' soul business is about? how do you know you if you are an old or young soul, or evolved or unevolved soul?

or better yet, how do you know you are a soul from a previous incarnation?

just sounds like spiritual assertions!

i believe i am an old soul.

facebook quiz told me so.

posted November 08, 2009 09:31 PM         

and that your soul has reincarnated into this life time?

and that you have any idea what age it might be?

all of this is based on what evidence to create this faith in the first place?

lets say its proven, how can you prove you know what age your soul is or if its evolved or not?

i believe you don't know what you are talking about.

there is the educated, and the uneducated, the immature, and the mature, the mindless and the logical.

this is suppose to prove you are evolved or old?

enlighten me in a fresh topic somebody.

posted November 08, 2009 11:41 PM         

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I think the the bluntness of the fire signs and earth signs isn't due to them being simple. Actually, I wouldn't consider any of the signs simple.

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I dont think I ever said they were simple, and, remember, I specified that we are talking about unevolved fire and earth signs, not fire and earth signs in general.

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First of all, fire signs tend to be blunt probably because they are impatient. They want to know what you are trying to say RIGHT NOW. The earth signs can be blunt because they tend to be focused on getting things done and don't want to deal with a lot of verbal diarrhea.

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I agree. But we aren't talking about "verbal diarrhea", lol. We're talking about matters involving subtlety, nuance, and depth. There is a LAtin Proverb which states: "It is done quickly enough if it is done well." The problem with the impatience of unevolved fire signs is that it compromises the integrity of whatever is under consideration. The same goes for unevolved earth signs, when they hurry things into action without appreciating the bigger picture.

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While this bluntness can make them seem rude, they really don't mean anything by it most of the time.

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posted November 08, 2009 11:57 PM         

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my personal favorite is Keagan's constructive developmental theory. This theory says that highest order indivduals are so advanced in their thinking, have very wholistic, intricate and complicated thinking patterns. These individuals are capable of bringing transformations. These develomental orders in order of increasing levels are:

impulsive
opportunist
diplomat
technician
achiever
strategist
alchemist
ironist

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Interesting, Emma. The ironist sounds like me. I'm an aphorist, and I make liberal use of irony. For example: "Humility works hard to satisfy its pride." My thoughts are so elaborate, comprehensive, multi-faceted, and multi-layered, that I have tremendous difficulty making myself understood to most people. In my frustration, I express myself with some terse paradox or peculiar declarative statement, always aware that there's so much else to say that can never be circumferenced. The more you talk, the more you have to talk, because your view is unique, and every word you choose connotes so much that's unintended, and carries so much baggage that must be dropped before anyone can hear what you have to say. Also, the more you say, the more you touch upon all there is to touch upon. And that includes your unique take on all there is to touch upon, all of which cries out for another explanation. It can be exhausting when you're determined to be understood. (Especially if folks expect you to stay on topic, lol.)

A published selection of my aphorisms,
though not necessarily the best of them:

posted November 09, 2009 01:43 AM         

With a heart that big,
who needs arguments, right?

Name calling will do.
(After all, it is a sandbox.)

Good for you.

posted November 09, 2009 03:32 AM         

Now I don’t have your email, and I wouldn’t engage in discussion with you offline anyway. So I am going to say this here, just once. Moderators please feel free to remove this comment if you wish.

The problem I have, Valus, is that you worry me. I don’t think you are well. Your posts are rambling mixtures of quotes, complaints and self-justification. The style I find near unreadable, the content lacking clarity. I really hope you are getting proper help and I mean that sincerely.

As for this Forum, you can lean a little towards upsetting people by dissecting their posts and prohibiting others from expressing their thoughts. Maybe you think they aren’t as evolved or intelligent as you, but is that really your place to say? Let them speak, and just flick by if you think what they say is irritating and a load of rubbish. I take the effort to treat you with this courtesy.

Now for the astrology.

Sagittarius is not an Air sign in disguise, it is a Fire sign. It acts. It is ruled by a big ball of gas. On a bad day it speaks without thinking, and on a very bad day it is a fanatic. Catherine of Aragon has 8 planets in the sign.

Ancient philosophers discussed the elements and were very keen on balance. They would not have asserted one as being more evolved than the other; this is a warped interpretation that has nothing to do with astrological or philosophical thought.

As we all know:-

Air can get stale.

Water can stagnate.

Earth can suffocate.

posted November 09, 2009 06:34 AM         

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I see this in unevolved folks of all types, but I tend to think of it as relating most strongly to the signs of Aries and Leo, and to the Earth Signs... It's when somebody thinks they can just cut through the bullsh-t with a few blunt and intolerant words. Nevermind that the deepest and most profound hearts, minds, and souls have been debating the problem for millenia -- Mr. Aries (or whoever) is going to set us all straight with his no-nonsense, "just do it" approach. "You think too much" is a line you're likely to hear these people repeating ad nauseum. Never would it occur to them that they think too little or that every one of us thinks just as much as our nature intends us to, and that we are born for very different things. If its not a problem for them, its not a real problem; that's how these folk seem to think. And if its in your head, its not real; another fallacy they never grow tired of promoting -- perhaps because they carry nothing much, and certainly no matters of real consequence, in their heads. Life is so simple for them, and if its not simple for you, you need to cut the sh-t. LOL! Simpletons. If you meet one of these people, or if you suspect that you might be one of them, I urge you to quickly remind yourself that life, and some who live it, can be very complicated. And if things boil down to "just do it" for you, well, count yourself lucky, and don't take cheap shots at those of us whose destiny it is to wrestle with some of the most formidable demons this side of paradise. If you can "just do it", then do it.

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You know I read that and I think, Oh, that's how I felt when Valus said "Give up meat because if you don't you're a murderer".

I said "But life is complicated, people's lives are complicated, you're being simplistic if you think people can do it overnight, people have their reasons and for them it is sometimes complicated".

And that is what you said back to me when I (jokingly) urged that you just do it, just give up driving, just do it.

And I accepted that for you it wasn't that simple. You did not take the time to point out that my giving up meat was not simple, because you do not believe it is.

This is all fine. You are entitled to your point of view.

I am not attacking your character here Valus, truly. But we are all capable of appearing overly-simplistic to each other at different times and in different ways. It is the myriad form of human existence, as MVM is saying. It has little to do with evolved/non-evolved, which are, as she says entirely relative concepts.

posted November 09, 2009 07:12 AM         

"""....Dane Rudhyar once explained to me that the twelfth house is the one house that represents not just the unconscious, but the essential person who is not taking his identity from relationships or family, career or friends. He speculated that perhaps the negative interpretation of the 12th house came during the middle ages from the fact that being true to yourself and to your own beliefs could get you burned at the stake or imprisoned if you did not conform to church and state. In the 20th century the study of depth psychology brought a different attitude toward the contents of the unconscious. The first house is concerned with the appearance of the individual, his persona, whereas the twelfth is the real inner person not defined by family, relationships or career. If the first house and the twelfth are in conflict, then real pathology can be the result. One significant trait of the persons born with Sun in the 12th is that they are not easily influenced by other people and will stay committed to their own convictions. If early childhood experiences have squashed the person's self-confidence, he will usually withdraw inside himself and become introverted or shy...."""

from this link;
http://www.weathersage.com/vs/mcevoy/12thhouse.htm

It's sooo interesting!!

Mercury in the 12th,
Sun exactly on the cusp of 12th.

THE POWER OF THE 12th,

V I S I O N