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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

I see this in unevolved folks of all types, but I tend to think of it as relating most strongly to the signs of Aries and Leo, and to the Earth Signs... It's when somebody thinks they can just cut through the bullsh-t with a few blunt and intolerant words. Nevermind that the deepest and most profound hearts, minds, and souls have been debating the problem for millenia -- Mr. Aries (or whoever) is going to set us all straight with his no-nonsense, "just do it" approach. "You think too much" is a line you're likely to hear these people repeating ad nauseum. Never would it occur to them that they think too little or that every one of us thinks just as much as our nature intends us to, and that we are born for very different things. If its not a problem for them, its not a real problem; that's how these folk seem to think. And if its in your head, its not real; another fallacy they never grow tired of promoting -- perhaps because they carry nothing much, and certainly no matters of real consequence, in their heads. Life is so simple for them, and if its not simple for you, you need to cut the sh-t. LOL! Simpletons. If you meet one of these people, or if you suspect that you might be one of them, I urge you to quickly remind yourself that life, and some who live it, can be very complicated. And if things boil down to "just do it" for you, well, count yourself lucky, and don't take cheap shots at those of us whose destiny it is to wrestle with some of the most formidable demons this side of paradise. If you can "just do it", then do it. That's probably your function here. If somebody tried to get you to think deeply, and to recognize the complexity of life, boy would you be at a loss. Lucky for you, we live in a society that favors unconscious action, productivity and results. Are you making pieces of crap? Are you helping to poison your fellow human beings with cheap, unhealthy foods, or cheap, unhealthy ideas? Are you promoting consumerism and mediocrity? Who cares, at least you're producing. Don't make things difficult, lol. Just do it.

~sigh~

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letram
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posted November 08, 2009 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
i like your rant, i pretty much agree and dislike it too.

did somebody unintentionally ridicule you recently about something you're going through, with the 'no nonsense' approach?

i have never thought about it and looked out for it in astrology. i think it would be a bit easy to generalize the signs you are thinking of, although it wouldn't surprise me if it was so.

i think i would expect it to show more in other places of the chart rather than just the sun.

i don't know what kind of things you are talking about as you were not specific, but, if a person turns something that was simple, into a complex issue due to their own reasons, then i see it as valid that some one else would try and help make that issue be 'simple' again to them.

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GypseeWind
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posted November 08, 2009 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
I know EXACTLY what you mean!

If I hear "you think too much," or "you read too much into everything." once more, I swear I'm going to run off screaming into the night.

I know I don't show it here, but I am OBSESSIVE about thinking.

When I was a kid, I always used to ask if I could go lay down, just at random times. My parents were concerned, they thought I might be sick. when they questioned me about it, apparently, I said, "no, I feel fine, I just need to think."

I don't know that I could attribute to any specific sign though. I do, however, have an earth sign that does tell me this very thing on the regular, but he is just one person.

I want to say that maybe people say these things as a form of comfort because, in their own awkwardness they don't know how to answer you or make you feel better.

I'm not sure, just a thought.

You know us Sag's, we want to see the best in people, but I like your topic.

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amowls*
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posted November 08, 2009 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe instead of calling people simpletons you should consider what theyre trying to say. You can learn something from everyone, even if theyre "unevolved."

I have an aqua mercury. I know at times i think too much and it can be very draining, emotionally, intellectually and physically.

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Peri
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posted November 08, 2009 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
this rant has nothing to do with astrology, will one of the Mods please close this thread?

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Coffee
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posted November 08, 2009 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Lets make it about astrology.

What is your ASC? Lots more detail to go on, but just to see what rubs you about the possible Arian "no-nonsense approach"

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letram
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posted November 08, 2009 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
yes, i was about to do the same Coffee,

i think people should read this link:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/synastrymercury.html

i don't think its set in stone though, based on this link, it sounds like earth mercury might be a culprit.

but, i really don't think this is something you can pinpoint that specifically.

Astrology is not that simple, charts are not that simple.

i think we should take into account the natures of signs/placements in ones natal, and what they are prone to 'square' in another persons chart.

also,

my mercury is in virgo, i am apparently prone to find it difficult to communicate/understand Gemini/Sagittarius mercury placements, or other placements like that in general.

this could also be a sun sign thing (sun square mercury) or other placements (mercury square moon/venus ?)

a lot of the things i have read about earth Mercury, and Virgo Mercury are pretty accurate.

but its only taking into consideration that placement alone.

for instance, in my chart, My mercury rules my 3rd house / my 3rd house is in virgo (mercurial) my mercury is in the 3rd house (mercurial x2) so its in a very mercurial position, a Gemini influence sits with it. it also rules my 11th.

its also a singleton planet running around free. but at the time i was born, it was in wide, but in Approaching aspects to conjunct my venus (in the 3rd in Libra/Air) and square Uranus (in the 5th/air/fire)


i have many gemini placements in my friends, and have had quite a few gemini friends, they always seem to understand me even though they don't always agree. even 'Got Gemini?' understood me quite easily on here, and his mercury if i remember right, was directly square mine.

point is, one's natal chart can really influence how one's mercury or any planet can be.

i think quite a few things have to be taken into consideration, i really do not think it is as simple as generalizing a sun sign, or any one placement, its a combination of that, and how it will aspect other natives charts.

and all of that is on the basis that its really the difference between 'simpletons' and 'deep/complex' thinkers. (or what ever you want to call it)

what might be simple and complex to one, could be the opposite to another. so this could all be half subjective because of the natives natal charts.

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pire
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posted November 08, 2009 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
i just read the OP and skipped the repplies though i noticed some agreements.

i disagree with this approach. this approach is exactly what is being criticized i.e. simplistic.

now i'm gonna explain myself

1-from an astrological point of view

my mum is aries, my sister leo, and we are wired on different lenghts. i'm aqua sun in 8th house with a very strong neptune and pluto. i would say that compared to my mum and sis, i'm a tortured soul. but then, this is so not true. my sis for example, leo sun in 12th with aries moon in 8th opposing pluto.

2-from a theoretical point of view
i have wondered about the sun signs because i had read a book by an excellent french astrologer about sun sign and their understanding from a buddhist point of view.
i'm not an expert from buddhism so don't get crossed if i have difficulties getting this across. but in essence,

she seems to say that the first 6 signs, starting from pisces to leo, are the easy "hell" whereas the other 6 from virgo to aqua are the difficult "hell"

2 things first:

she divides from pisces to leo and from virgo to aqua because she thinks aqua is about liberation whereas pisces about begining (womb-like)

she talks about "hell" because incarnation is hell as opposed to liberation from incarnation. but in the bardo, there would be 6 hell, and she joins 2 signs togethers to make up the 6 hells.

the first hell is pisces and aries
the second taurus and gem
the third cancer and leo
the fourth virgo and libra
the fifth scorp and sag
the sixth cap and aqua

one of the reasons why the first 3 hell are "easy" is because they don't oblige the incarnated soul to look inside to find a solution

whereas the last three are meant to make the soul wonder... think, evolve.

therefore, aries would actually have reasons or justification to be so optimist, so many, pushing the last sign would be one.

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mir
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posted November 08, 2009 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message
GREAT thoughts Valus!

"Will you please use the reset button in your mind?"

It's where loneliness begins.. (or make it another word)


Leo-sun in 12th.
Mercury Virgo right on ascendant.

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

I think there's plenty of value in the approach, at times, and for the person who fits it. The problem is that the philosophies we conceive of tend to promote our own perspectives, and this is as it should be, for ourselves. The danger is that we will try to force others to live by our philosophies as well, without a full appreciation of the differences between types.

Few people have as deep an appreciation for the complexity and the limits of astrology as I do. In order to bring astrology to bear on this thread, I'm willing to suggest that the failing I draw attention to corresponds most frequently to unevolved Aries, Leos, and Earth Signs. But I'm well aware that emphasis should be placed on the words most frequently (as in, not always) and unevolved (as in, the more evolved members of these signs will not likely make this mistake; just as the evolved members of all the signs won't). And I'm well aware that a million things, like other placements, aspects, and house positions, all enter into the big picture. But we should beware of the pitfalls and shadows most common to our predominant planets, signs, or elements. I see the problem here as somehow reflecting an imbalance in favor of the Fire and Earth elements, without an appreciation for the more digressive and cerebral elements of Water and Air.


Peri,

You may not have noticed, but a great many threads in this forum are only ostensibly related to astrology, and are, in fact, an excuse to discuss some matter in real life, for which astrology may serve as a vehicle or tool. I don't think all threads in this forum should lead to Astrology as all roads lead to Rome. Astrology isnt a destination at all, but a means and a method by which to gain insight into a matter otherwise unrelated to astrology. Perhaps what really upset you about this thread is that you see yourself and your own narrow-minded mindlessness reflected in the portrait I drew? I sincerely hope that isn't the case, and you are not such a person. There are far too many of them trolling about.

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pire
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posted November 08, 2009 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
"Perhaps what really upset you about this thread is that you see yourself and your own narrow-minded mindlessness reflected in the portrait I drew?"

i wonder who you think you are?

try to learn and speak a different languages if you are bored out of your mind in your own language that you end up saying things like this!

or stop comparing yourself with a great soul! another option.

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pire
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posted November 08, 2009 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
no need to be eloquent to say nasty words!

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

amowls,

I hear you. The problem for me is that I am one of those insanely empathic people who instantly internalizes other people's thoughts and feelings, and constantly scrutinizes and rechecks their own motives. So, to some extent, I really need to learn how NOT to listen to what other people have to say. To a large degree, it is a case of "been there, done that". I've looked more deeply into most people's points of view than they have themselves, and I can make their case for them better than they can make it against me. But I've found what works for me, and I've had to do it, mainly, by weeding out the lessons that are meant for other people, and learning how NOT to internalize them. I am a thinker. And I believe that there are people put on this planet whose purpose -- perhaps whose sole purpose -- is to "over-analyze". I've got my Sagittarian Mercury in the 12th house, and my mind is right where its supposed to be when it's exploring those areas that most people think are off-limits to the intellect. Paradox is my playground and my labratory. So, if you think "just do it" and "don't think too much" are good lessons for you, you're probably right. But they aren't for me.

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

pire,

Peri was nasty to me first, and she's been much nastier in the past -- also, when I said nothing to her, but she saw it as her business to set me straight. I suggested that maybe she is seeing herself, and I went on to say, I hope this is not the case. I dont think that was unreasonable. Its a very real possibility, actually, and a polite enough way to suggest it. I'm sorry you found it so offensive.

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

And I am a great soul.

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posted November 08, 2009 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
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Perhaps what really upset you about this thread is that you see yourself and your own narrow-minded mindlessness reflected in the portrait I drew?

you are so predictable, imao ... and far...very far from being wise or evolved people will stop looking so unevolved to you when you stop projecting your own **** onto them, believe me

ETA* I just asked Mods to close this rant thread, nothing personal, v

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posted November 08, 2009 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message
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LOL! Simpletons.

Are you under the mistaken impression that you have intelligence and depth?

All the while tarring 2 fire sunsigns and all earth sunsigns with one brush. Hmm, doesn't sound too bright or deep to me.

Perhaps you should take an intelligence test and share the results. Could be interesting.

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pire
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posted November 08, 2009 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
you are a great soul

as she is
as i am
as we all are

but your words are nothing to be proud of.

sorry, i lack the words to say it properly. i would say it better in my own language!

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pire
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posted November 08, 2009 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
i regret the way this thread is changing cause i think there would have been some interesting things that could have come out. we were onto something very deep.

sad, and here, we are all responsible.

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Hey Nightingale,

Slow down, buddy. The misunderstanding is yours. You assume too much. Learn to read more carefully, because the mitigating words are there. Here's what I just wrote in another post on this thread, in case you missed it (and I can see that you did):

quote:

Few people have as deep an appreciation for the complexity and the limits of astrology as I do. In order to bring astrology to bear on this thread, I'm willing to suggest that the failing I draw attention to corresponds most frequently to unevolved Aries, Leos, and Earth Signs. But I'm well aware that emphasis should be placed on the words most frequently (as in, not always) and unevolved (as in, the more evolved members of these signs will not likely make this mistake; just as the evolved members of all the signs won't). And I'm well aware that a million things, like other placements, aspects, and house positions, all enter into the big picture. But we should beware of the pitfalls and shadows most common to our predominant planets, signs, or elements. I see the problem here as somehow reflecting an imbalance in favor of the Fire and Earth elements, without an appreciation for the more digressive and cerebral elements of Water and Air.

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letram
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posted November 08, 2009 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
people need to calm down the back lash, not that i completely disagree, i have my own opinions on valus. but that is not what the topic is about.

also,

the kind of replies i am seeing, is the effect valus enjoys from some of his topics. (that's my personal 'belief') so everyone should just stop unless you want to please him that way, lol.

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Don't cry for the thread, yet, pire.

We're all great souls, sure.

I know exactly what you mean.

But what did you mean when you
told me not to compare myself
to great souls?

Clearly, we recognize that,
while all souls are equal,
some have been around longer,
and have more wisdom and more
experience with these questions.

It's taboo in our culture
to assert that you're an old soul.
People have this stubborn notion
that old souls won't tell the truth
about how old they are.
I don't have that notion.

And I dont have the imbalanced
and unhealthy obsession with humility
that leads most people to abandon
honesty in their communications.
I just don't have that.

So I hope you'll forgive me,
when I tell you what I really think.

I hope you are well.
Sorry you don't like it
when I call a bully a bully,
or a young soul a young soul.
I know labels are problematic.

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DD
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posted November 08, 2009 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Valus,

" I don't think all threads in this forum should lead to Astrology as all roads lead to Rome. "

This is the astroforum, and so the threads should be including astrology.
For philosophical discussions, unrelated to astrology, there are other forums on this board.

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pire
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posted November 08, 2009 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
that is the ultimate paradox, to call a bully a bully and become one oneself.

paradox indeed

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Valus
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posted November 08, 2009 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

DD,

Did you read the sentences
on either side of that sentence?

Jesus.

Can't anybody understand me?

Just slow down.

Don't assume.

Don't rush to judgement.

Focus on the words.

Hear what is being said.

It's all there.

I dont mind explaining myself,
but I hate having to repeat myself.

Thanks.

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