posted December 29, 2009 07:49 PM         

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted December 31, 2009 09:28 AM         

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted December 31, 2009 01:05 PM         

Fond as I am of all your little, divinely inspired digs at my character (now its "lack of fortitude and belief" in myself), I don't feel especially called to "carry this thread to a conclusion". The thread, like the world, is open-ended. I'm not sure what a conclusion would look like. Are you? We've been debating things like this for years, and I didnt expect this thread to contain the last word. Did you? I've said more than I planned to say, and I've expressed my views fairly clearly and thoroughly (enough for one thread, at least). There are always going to be detractors, and people who are simply not going my way. That's okay. Bringing this to a "conclusion" doesnt mean arguing until you, juni, are happy. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. Despite seeing myself as a catalyst, and a "big-picture man", I've taken time to answer your posts, statements, and questions, along with those of a handful of others, more thoroughly than anyone (with the possible exception of Ghani) has responded to me. While I still wait for a response equal to the ones I've given, I've moved on. If you really want to "conclude" this thread, juni, you can begin by responding to the exhaustive arguments and explanations (the ones I've already given you and others) with more than a snide quip or two.

Have a good New Year.

posted December 31, 2009 01:26 PM         

and if that be the case nevermind

posted December 31, 2009 01:34 PM         

well, perhaps you might translate for valus, while I do the same for juni?

posted December 31, 2009 01:36 PM         

Don't you have something better to do,
than voice more suspicions or accusations?
I don't "purposefully misunderstand" things.
If you know what juni means, then, please,
say whatever it is you have to say.
Translate, if you are willing and able.

Or should I consider the possibility...

What a waste of time.

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And, Yin, I know you think that I have
given fifty times as much to this thread
as anybody else has, and that blaming its
"inconclusiveness" on me is beyond absurd.
Thank you for your support, on the boards,
and, especially, behind the scenes.

posted December 31, 2009 01:52 PM         

Yin, I couldn't agree more. Message boards don't always make the job of mutual understanding an easy one. So much is lost in translation and it's too easy to jump to conclusions.

"So, I ask questions."

Yes, I've noticed this It's a lovely habit. My first post was a question.

I suppose I could say the same about juni, as you have about valus. On the one hand, I have a better understanding of juni because of our relationship off the board. On the other hand, it would be silly of me to say I wasn't at least a little biased in her favor. Which came first? I wouldn't hazard a guess.

posted December 31, 2009 02:43 PM         

shura,

quote:

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suspicion" carries such a negative undertone. Wouldn't you agree?

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In this instance, yes, it does.

But the fault for that, if it exists,
is your own, shura, -- just as the
negative suspicions are your own.

Shall we discuss the negative undertones
connected with the word "bias", as well?

posted December 31, 2009 03:27 PM         

But that's just it, valus. There was no negativity on my end. It was a 'suspicion' by strict definition, yes, but your comment implied something I simply didn't feel.

I admit to being biased. I'm aware of being biased. I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, for me to feel otherwise. The best I can hope for is that awarness and admission of my state will better enable me to overcome that state.

posted January 01, 2010 06:03 PM         

hmmmmm, and??? would it be a problem?

many people here, from different countries, different generations, different life experiences.

some might be emotionally deficient some intellectually, some morally, some spiritually...

and those who aren't deficient would not mind the deficient one, right?

this is part of the beauty of lindaland I think, everyone remotely interested in life's mysteries brings something to the table and we can all take something out of it;

posted January 01, 2010 07:45 PM         

quote:

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this is part of the beauty of lindaland I think, everyone remotely interested in life's mysteries brings something to the table and we can all take something out of it;

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posted January 04, 2010 10:46 AM         

I don't care.

Polo C,

I see what you were
trying to say, and
I appreciate it.

Pire,

Well said.

"Those who aren't deficient
would not mind the defient one, right?"

Depends what you mean by "mind".

A perfect individual would not be
disturbed, but, -- one would hope, --
would still be concerned, if not
for his/her own sake, then, for
the sakes of others, right?

He/She would still speak truth
where he/she encounters falsehood,
and would bring hope and love
where there is despair and hate.

He/she would "mind" the defient one,
in the sense that he/she would be
mindful of perfection, and, so,
would seek, if not desire, the
perfecting of others; -- again,
for their own sakes; even if they
are unable to desire it for themselves.

Also, another point I want to make
is that we are all deficient...

And I know that was a point
you were making as well.

The question confronting me is:

Should we never reproach someone
if our reproach can never be
above reproach?

posted January 04, 2010 11:08 AM         

Or, should we reproach
only if we can welcome
being reproached?"

ultimately, we should follow our heart.

valus

i'm in the mood I guess

posted January 04, 2010 11:45 AM         

and you MUST do something with it in this world, don't wait, and see BIG, please