posted May 03, 2010 02:31 PM         

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001228.html

This woman launched an unprovoked and sustained attack on Yin and I's relationship. What could be more personal? I don't care that she only opened my thread with the purpose of attacking me. I don't care that she came out of nowhere and started repeatedly abusing me and my poem, or that she increased the intensity of her attacks when I ignored them, or that she called me "a worthless sack of sh!t". I do care that she attacked Yin, who has always been a sweetheart to her and to all of you. And I care that she tried (very hard) to break us up. If you think that's not as bad as something I've done, or something anyone at LL has done, please, name it.

I'm far from perfect, but I can honestly say I've never tried to throw a wrench in anybody's personal relationship. And for the worst things I've done, I've made explainations and apologies. The backlash against me has always been overkill, but if you still think wheels deserves a pass, while I deserve even more abuse now (just for standing up for my fiancee against a BULLY, who seeks nothing less than the destruction of our most precious and intimate human connection), go right ahead. The angels will be listening, and taking notes.

I know who I am.
I know what happened.

Try to work the rest out
amongst yourselves.

I've said what I know.

posted May 03, 2010 03:11 PM         

And again: I am speaking for myself here.

I know how things come off online.

I am hurt.

I know how Valus comes off online. I also know him as a kind, gentle and sweet man, who is capable not only of soothing my soul but also raising questions that need to be raised and provoking thoughts that need to be thought. He is my gift from God.

One thing is for certain. LLC needs a moderator who will not let that sort of thing happen to anyone for any reason.

Peace to all.

posted May 03, 2010 03:44 PM         

and countless others.

I know you can't see that, and I almost understand, because I guess love is blind.

best of luck to you. to both of you.

and for the record, i think this thread was created to actually find a moderator. yes, a moderator. to replace the one that left, ghanami, the one who was attacked about her personal life and defended herself and left directly afterwards.

posted May 03, 2010 03:52 PM         

AD asked him 3 different times if he thought that she shouldn't have had her 4th child. That was a totally leading and unfair question. Not to mention the ridiculous underlying implication that V. would have said "No.". Yeah, it's hard to read everything but please get the facts straight. If somebody asked you repeatedly: Do you think it would be better for me not to have had another baby, and for my husband to die, and me to have to figure out how to support my 3 children? what would you do? He ignored her for as long as he could.

posted May 03, 2010 04:09 PM         

I suggest you drop your campaign against her. she spoke her mind as you do too often. how can it be THAT bad?

yin, breeders and meat-eaters can be offended by valus' choice of words. and they don't get the chance to appear a victim.

I'm a libra moon too conjunct yours by less than a couple degrees I believe. I can understand the need for fairness. that's why I think valus's desire to ostracize wheel is out of order. he must be able to swallow some sh!t from time to time without whinging like a baby girl. because he asks that of others.

by the way, I don't understand why you take members of this forum in the intimacy of your relationship. I mean LL has a "soul union" where people discuss their love life but usually we only got one side of the story. with you two, we go straight to the inside but you always put up a front of unity. are you the only couple who always agree with each other? or are you choosing what you share with us all? and most important, why do you choose to share a united front?

those are rethorical question only. so far, I'm nobody's enemy. I do TOTALLY understand wheels because I know she initially appreciated valus a lot. like me, until he refused to appreciate some, indeed, difficult But honest and caring advices over a long period. he prefered to go into confrontation. he's not as wise as he thinks but wheels understood that and let him evolved in his time, and that is probably what ****** him the most.

He should let go, and be willing to seriously work on his attitude online to see people show a nicer face to him instead of that of now.

posted May 03, 2010 04:12 PM         

Ghani responded to the sensitive question I raised by screaming my most personal issues in all caps along with calling me "a waste of space". I don't see the comparison. My response to her explosion was an apology, lol. Again, where is the comparison you're looking for? And what does any of that have to do with this?

What did Yin do to Wheels?

WHAT DID YIN DO TO WHEELS?!!!!!!????

And while you're at it:

What did I do to her,
other than turn the other cheek
to her first four or five assaults
(including the post where she called
me a "tosser", the one where she called
me a "joke", and the first two or three
posts she made the next morning on my thread,
where she insulted me and my poem and made
it obvious that was looking for a fight?

posted May 03, 2010 04:18 PM         

I skimmed your post.

Very disappointing.

This is not an excuse for you
to put a microscope on me and Yin,
and speculate on what shadows may
or may not be surrounding our union.

Read the thread.

See what Wheels did.

Be decent.

posted May 03, 2010 04:26 PM         

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This is about an instance of viciousness unlike anything we've seen at LL before. The altercation covers 2 pages, and the posts are fairly short, so you can read it all in a few minutes. A few of you have made up your minds and arguments without even reading that thread. Frankly, you don't have a leg to stand on.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001228.html

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This is about an instance of viciousness unlike anything we've seen at LL before.

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But AS TO THIS:

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[quote] This is about an instance of viciousness unlike anything we've seen at LL before.

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I wanted to say what others have said here, but knew from past experience that you would go at me with a vengeance.
It is also breaking the rules so I could not.

And for the record....to my knowledge....
I do not think anyone here hates you....
but you are not making a good case for yourself.

posted May 03, 2010 04:42 PM         

i wouldn't imply to know anyones reasons for being with anyone else.

posted May 03, 2010 04:42 PM         

repeatedly? posted that your fiancee is a figment, lol?? Wow, so you have no problem just LYING, eh Lexx? i said that once, in jest, and then told you i was kidding and even told you how lonely I was and accused myself of being "probably just jealous".. you said okay, but then proceeded to put a quote about jealousy on your profile, as a dig at me, no doubt. But why are you rehashing this bullsh!t?

I assume you are referring to threads where I have defended an unpopular perspective against a pack of bloodthirsty women who refuse to listen to reason, and continue to unjustly accuse me without even acknowledging my explanations. No wonder your search for evidence turned up nothing. I havent edited those threads, LEXX. They are what they are. I say something shocking and then the riot ensues, come hell or high water or reasonable explaination. The maenads just want to tear Orpheus apart, LEXX. You know that.

posted May 03, 2010 04:43 PM         

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We cannot seek or attain health, wealth, learning, justice or kindness in general. Action is always specific, concrete, individualized, unique. --Benjamin Jowett

posted May 03, 2010 04:49 PM         

you dont know what you are talking about... AD said her husband was kept alive because she had a fourth child. SHE SAID THIS. Not me. i said "hopefully four will be enough". clearly, you misunderstood, and now here you are slandering me repeatedly for anyone who cares to beleive your posts. thanks!

and try top put the focus where it belongs.

just once.

JUST ONCE.

When she called me a tosser and a joke, you told her she shouldn't call people names. you said something then. so, why not now? i responded to those names by turning the other cheek. acknowledge THAT. the next morning she opens my thread and attacks me. ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. I responded kindly, twice. ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. She kept trying to provoke me, and made things more and more personal, and finally attacked Yin. JUST AKNOWLEDGE IT.

Acknowledge it for what it is.

And then, yes, we can all move on.

I already have. It's your turn.

posted May 03, 2010 04:56 PM         

popularity contests are fine,
but if anybody wants to discuss
what actually happened...

AD,

What did you disagree about
"the way she went about it"?

Was it that she just came in
and started abusing me and my work
without a word of provocation from me?

Was it that she got more belligerent
when I tried to ignore her behavior?

Was it the way she mocked Yin,
who has always been nice to her?

Was it the way she assumed she knew
everything about me and my relationship?

Or, was it ALL OF THE ABOVE??

I'm just curious.

Where did she cross the line?

posted May 03, 2010 05:00 PM         

to me and my libra mars it is a clear case of reaping what you sew.

you sew discord, you reap discord.

you sew love and understanding, you reap love and undersatnding.

you disrespect people, people disrespect you.

you treat others with kindness, others treat you with kindness.

its that simple.

posted May 03, 2010 05:01 PM         

I agree with LEXX that there's been far worse stuff on this forum as well.

posted May 03, 2010 05:03 PM         

I agree with lexx, I think people here are asking to love you. might not be how you want, but might be worth it. I'm not capable of joking with you, not because I don't love you but because I'm cold when I remember potential threats (cancer rising and aqua aloofness???) but the love is ddefinitely still here, with or without you

it's my way of loving, not the best probably, and not the most easily understood. nevermind, that is real. will try though

posted May 03, 2010 05:03 PM         

Either you lied,
or you need to be more
suspicious of your memory.

And since when has anybody ever
spoken up for an unpopular view
without becoming a target?

I've been in battles
because I take a stand
for something unpopular
and then stand my ground
while everyone gnashes
their teeth at my logic
and tries to get me to say,
"I could be wrong."

The audacity!!

"Show me a hero,
and I'll write you a tragedy."
~ Fitzgerald

I've defended myself
against a dozen attackers,
yes, but I've never waged
an assault on a single one.

posted May 03, 2010 05:07 PM         

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LEXX,

Either you lied,
or you need to be more
suspicious of your memory.

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This is about an instance of viciousness unlike anything we've seen at LL before.

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posted May 03, 2010 05:09 PM         

you seriously don't realize it do you?

i wish you love, health and happiness.

just let the rest go.

posted May 03, 2010 05:09 PM         

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I've defended myself
against a dozen attackers,
yes, but I've never waged
an assault on a single one.

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That's not true. Simply by taking these unpopular views you are waging an assault. How can you not see that?

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I've been in battles
because I take a stand
for something unpopular
and then stand my ground
while everyone gnashes
their teeth at my logic
and tries to get me to say,
"I could be wrong."

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