posted January 11, 2011 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
The fact that one guy went off the deep end due to a mental disorder that may or may not have been aggravated by excessive pot smoking won't change my opinion.

I think pot should be as legal as alcohol and cigarettes.

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I disagree. People can barely handle alcohol and cigarettes. Why legalize Marijuana for every person with no sense of self-preservation?

posted January 11, 2011 10:40 PM            

Usually, when they do studies like this they don't go straight to the crazy house... it sounds like they just used random people born between certain years...

posted January 11, 2011 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
NickiG,

Usually, when they do studies like this they don't go straight to the crazy house... it sounds like they just used random people born between certain years...

John McGrath, M.D., Ph.D., of the University of Queensland, Australia, and colleagues studied 3,801 young adults born between 1981 and 1984.

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they dont always tell you everything about their study...so they could have and just didnt say so just to make pot look worse than it is

posted January 11, 2011 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
they dont always tell you everything about their study...so they could have and just didnt say so just to make pot look worse than it is

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I really, really, reaaaally doubt that, NickiG.

posted January 11, 2011 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I really, really, reaaaally doubt that, NickiG.

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well, knowing the effects of pot from first hand experience i think it is a possibility

posted January 11, 2011 10:48 PM            

Why would they even do the test, at all, and not just use the funding money to go on a vacation?

Who knows if they even employed real scientists? Maybe they were all... my relatives~!

J/K. But seriously. If you can prove that this study was not done on a normal group of people, again I'll reconsider it...

posted January 11, 2011 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Just wondering, but why would someone do a fake test on 3,000 crazy people just to botch up results they could easily change the numbers of anyways?

Why would they even do the test, at all, and not just use the funding money to go on a vacation?

Who knows if they even employed real scientists? Maybe they were all... my relatives~!

J/K. But seriously. If you can prove that this study was not done on a normal group of people, again I'll reconsider it...

Otherwise, we can speculate all day and night. I just don't believe that they would "fake" this study.

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they probably did that during the prohibition, lol

posted January 11, 2011 10:52 PM            

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they dont always tell you everything about their study...so they could have and just didnt say so just to make pot look worse than it is

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Actually, I believe Nicki has a valid point.

I know the Stanley Milgram study has been thrown around LL as one conclusive study when he turned in 17 others that didn`t match the most accepted/famous one due to variables in the study..

I sincerely believe all the variables are not known or understood re usage vs mental illness.

Mental illness may be triggered by various stimuli and certainly any drug could be one. To state maryjane is a common factor simply doesn`t have empirical evidence .

Of course, my perspective

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted January 11, 2011 10:52 PM            

Even chemistry teachers will explain these things in laymen's terms...

Drugs are drugs. They all have an effect on the body, and the chemistry of the brain - which we are still in the process of learning more about every day.

posted January 11, 2011 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Actually, I believe Nicki has a valid point.

I know the Stanley Milgram study has been thrown around LL as one conclusive study when he turned in 17 others that didn`t match the most accepted/famous one due to variables in the study..

I sincerely believe all the variables are not known or understood re usage vs mental illness.

Mental illness may be triggered by various stimuli and certainly any drug could be one. To state maryjane is a common factor simply doesn`t have empirical evidence .

Of course, my perspective

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Juniperb, then why believe anything, at all? I will not be reduced to that "you can't know anything" kind of mindstate.

You CAN know just from simple logic that giving a joint to a mentally ill person is probably not a good idea.

It's also not a good idea to put a match on gasoline. To kick a bull in the nuts. Or, to swat a bees nest with a small stick.

My perspective stands with the current research. These are legitimate studies done. What we can gain from them, at least, is that we do not know everything about Marijuana's effect on the brain.

How do I know THAT? Well, simply, because we don't know everything about the brain.

posted January 11, 2011 11:03 PM            

"you can't know anything"

Instead, you/I/we can`t know everything

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted January 11, 2011 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Pluto, I am not discrediting your stance or research.. I`m simply sharing what the flip side of the story is possable.

"you can't know anything"

Instead, you/I/we can`t know everything

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It's absolutely true that we can't know EVERYTHING. All we can do is follow our gut instincts, and our personal experiences and educations, until we are proven otherwise...

Which is all I'm doing, considering the science, and this particular case that got me thinking about psychosis and marijuana.

posted January 11, 2011 11:12 PM            

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted January 11, 2011 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
It's absolutely true that we can't know EVERYTHING. All we can do is follow our gut instincts, and our personal experiences and educations, until we are proven otherwise...

Which is all I'm doing, considering the science, and this particular case that got me thinking about psychosis and marijuana.

Until there are extensive studies done to prove that Marijuana is safe for psychologically compromised individuals, who represent almost a quarter of the entire population, I will err on the side of caution (with my gut and the current research).

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a quarter of the population is psychotic?

posted January 11, 2011 11:13 PM            

http://www.myasha.org/node/12

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/statistics/SMI_AASR.shtml

posted January 11, 2011 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
1.According to the World Health Organization (WHO), 1 in every 4 people, or 25% per cent of individuals, develops one or more mental disorders at some stage in life. Today, 450 million people globally suffer from mental disorders in both developed and developing countries. Of these, 154 million suffer from depression, 25 million from schizophrenia, 91 million from alcohol use disorder and 15 million drug use disorder.
http://www.myasha.org/node/12 http://www.nimh.nih.gov/statistics/SMI_AASR.shtml

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hm...i didnt realize depression was so serious that marijuana would cause horrible effects to kill someone, LOL, joking joking

posted January 11, 2011 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
hm...i didnt realize depression was so serious that marijuana would cause horrible effects to kill someone, LOL, joking joking

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Yeah, NickiG. Depressed individuals have a very high risk of killing themselves, and there are other studies linking depressed individuals to other acts of violence.

posted January 11, 2011 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Yeah, NickiG. Depressed individuals have a very high risk of killing themselves, and there are other studies linking depressed individuals to other acts of violence.

Mental illness is not a joke.

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yea, i know, i was severely depressed when i was younger

posted January 11, 2011 11:21 PM            

Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses - including addiction - stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. Currently, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.4 High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.
http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

posted January 11, 2011 11:25 PM            

What Other Adverse Effect Does Marijuana Have on Health?

Effects on the Heart

Marijuana increases heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug.5 This may be due to increased heart rate as well as the effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias. This risk may be greater in aging populations or in those with cardiac vulnerabilities.

Effects on the Lungs

Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50-70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;6 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.7 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.

Nonetheless, marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illness, and a heightened risk of lung infections. A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers.8 Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Effects on Daily Life

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement, including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.9 Several studies associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.