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PlutoSquared
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posted January 11, 2011 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeing as this debate was still worth having... I'd like to start it up again, continuing on with anyone's views on this matter in particular...

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posted January 11, 2011 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jared Loughner:

He regularly smoked marijuana, and while there is only a small correlation between having a mental illness and committing violence, that correlation becomes much more significant when mental illness is combined with drug use, according to John Monahan, a professor of psychology at the University of Virginia School of Law.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2041733-2,00.html#ixzz1AkvLoQIf

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posted January 11, 2011 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was moved to GU.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, well then... transfer this one too? Or, leave it here? I intend to continue with this one... that is if you're going to close the other one.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If there are any insults, it will be closed.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's fine.

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posted January 11, 2011 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Long-Time Marijuana Use Linked to Psychosis in Young Adults
February 26, 2010, 8:05 PM EST

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Young adults who used marijuana as teens were more likely than those who didnt to develop schizophrenia and psychotic symptoms including hallucinations and delusions, an Australian study found.

Those who used the drug for six or more years were twice as likely to develop a psychosis such as schizophrenia or to have delusional disorders than those who never used marijuana, according to research released online by the Archives of General Psychiatry. They were also four times as likely to score high on a list of psychotic-like experiences.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-26/long-time-marijuana-use-linked-to-psychosis-in-young-adults.html

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posted January 11, 2011 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is psychosis?

About Psychosis
Most people don't realize just how common and treatable psychosis is!

Symptoms include:
-Hallucinations (seeing, hearing feeling or tasting things that other people donft)
-Difficulty filtering stimulation from the environment
-Delusions (false personal beliefs based on incorrect inferences about reality which are inconsistent with culture and previous beliefs, and which are firmly sustained in spite of evidence or proof to the contrary)
-Confused thinking or speech
-Difficulty doing ordinary things (often includes problems with memory, attention, putting thoughts together)
-Inability telling what is real from what is not
Anyone can develop psychosis. Psychosis is common and treatable. It affects 3 in 100 people, and usually occurs for the first time between the ages of 15 and 30. Men often develop psychosis 5 to 10 years younger than women. It can be caused by a variety of medical illnesses, sleep deprivation, severe stress or trauma, drug reactions, genetic predisposition, and other factors.

Sometimes it is not obvious to others what is happening. Some of the most common signs of psychosis that others may see include:
-A dramatic deterioration in functioning at school or home
-Social withdrawal
-Dramatic changes in sleep pattern
-Statements or behavior that are bizarre and inconsistent with whatfs going on around them

http://www.eastcommunity.org/home/ec1/smartlist_77

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posted January 11, 2011 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clinical & Research News
Marijuana-Induced Psychosis May Foretell Future Episodes
Joan Arehart-Treichel

Few individuals who smoke marijuana experience psychosis afterward. However, when marijuana-related psychosis does occur, it may be a warning sign that more psychotic episodes could occur.

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/41/3/23.1.full

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posted January 11, 2011 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
[b]Long-Time Marijuana Use Linked to Psychosis in Young Adults
February 26, 2010, 8:05 PM EST

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Young adults who used marijuana as teens were more likely than those who didnt to develop schizophrenia and psychotic symptoms including hallucinations and delusions, an Australian study found.

Those who used the drug for six or more years were twice as likely to develop a psychosis such as schizophrenia or to have delusional disorders than those who never used marijuana, according to research released online by the Archives of General Psychiatry. They were also four times as likely to score high on a list of psychotic-like experiences.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-26/long-time-marijuana-us e-linked-to-psychosis-in-young-adults.html [/B]


i dont agree with that study..my mom has been smoking since she was in her preteens and my sister started in her young teens too and neither are schizophrenic or psychotic

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posted January 11, 2011 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NickiG,

You should study this "study" then and see who exactly they were referencing when they came up with their results.

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posted January 11, 2011 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i read who the study was about, and my previous statement still stands

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posted January 11, 2011 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another link regarding the Australian study:
http://www.livescience.com/health/marijuana-use-psychosis-100302.html

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posted January 11, 2011 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NickiG,

What are you saying? That because your mother and sister do not suffer from psychosis, that others don't?

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posted January 11, 2011 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Compared with those who had never used cannabis, young adults who had six or more years since first use of cannabis (i.e., who commenced use when around 15 years or younger) were twice as likely to develop a non-affective psychosis and were four times as likely to have high scores on the Peters et al Delusions Inventory [a measure of delusion]," the authors write.


http://www.livescience.com/health/marijuana-use-psychosis-100302.html

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posted January 11, 2011 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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NickiG,

What are you saying? That because your mother and sister do not suffer from psychosis, that others don't?


i'm saying that because i know a LOT of people who smoke pot regularly dont have psychosis that i dont believe that study....i mean, i know more people who smoke pot than i care to say and none of them are crazy in any sense

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posted January 11, 2011 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, then you don't believe the study. I tend to believe scientific studies.

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posted January 11, 2011 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not all scientific studies are actual studies...plenty (more than scientists care to say) are actually opinions

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posted January 11, 2011 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also have known more than a fair share of chronic pot smokers...

Actually one girl who I went to school with who believed that smoking pot before our study sessions helped her focus better...

Yet, she consistently made "D's" on her A&P tests.

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posted January 11, 2011 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey pluto, i don't have time to read the study but i'm sure most spiritual beliefs fall under the category of 'delusional' according to the majority of mental health 'authorities'.

further, i'm not sure some schizophrenics don't have (unfortunate) access into darker (real) realms. that is not to say bringing that upon themselves is desirable. i just think it's part of life, unfortunately.

do you think posession of marijuana should remain a punishable offense?

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posted January 11, 2011 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NickiG:
not all scientific studies are actual studies...plenty (more than scientists care to say) are actually opinions


Well, if you can prove that suspicion true regarding this study, I will reconsider it.

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posted January 11, 2011 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, if you can prove that suspicion of true regarding this study, I will reconsider it.

i'm not talkin about this study, just saying that thats why i dont believe all studies

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posted January 11, 2011 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
hey pluto, i don't have time to read the study but i'm sure most spiritual beliefs fall under the category of 'delusional' according to the majority of mental health 'authorities'.

further, i'm not sure some schizophrenics don't have (unfortunate) access into darker (real) realms. that is not to say bringing that upon themselves is desirable. i just think it's part of life, unfortunately.

do you think posession of marijuana should remain a punishable offense?


1.) I believe in God, and realize that someone could categorize me as "delusional" for that... however, I do not have "delusions" or "hallucinations" and realize there's a difference between someone suffering from acute delusions, and someone who has a faith system.

2.) I obey the law. I think people who do not work to change the laws, who sit on their arses and complain about laws while smoking pot, using or transporting pot in their vehicles - especially around children or individuals who do not use pot, deserve to be punished because they are STUPID (and lazy).

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posted January 11, 2011 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NickiG:
i'm not talkin about this study, just saying that thats why i dont believe all studies


Well, I'm talking about this study!!!

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posted January 11, 2011 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, I'm talking about this study!!!

lol, ok...i didnt read that whole article but let me ask you this (because i dont know), do you know the control group that was studied on? was it a bunch of teenagers and young adults that were either going to school or working? or were they in an asylum? lol

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