posted April 07, 2012 12:03 PM            

Does that mean a pebble on Long Island beach has a personal effect on my Spiritual or physical Being?

Perhaps in some connection of Unity it does but not enough effect to draw any conclusions from

posted April 07, 2012 12:04 PM            

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and where they come from.....where do some of you get most of this stuff? Through research or mostly make things up?

Do you just make it up as you go along to try to sound like you are great astrologers by taking the root meaning of the word or a part of it and using your imagination to come up with a story about the meaning of it? I mean, it's endless....the amount of them that are out there... I can understand using some of them...if you use stories of gods and goddesses throughout history...but when does it get a bit out of hand?

Where does it end? Is it right to make some meaning up about every rock orbiting through space and tell people it's extremely meaningful to them in their charts? Or try to convince them of that?

Maybe I'm old school, but I miss the days when astrology was astrology and a very precise science and art. I think all the asteroid junk is giving it a bad name and throwing people off....or even leading them to believe in or focus on things that arent really important or that significant.

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I don't know the answer because that's a field I'm not experienced with, but if I were to guess:

The people who designated the information first started by looking for patterns in their own charts, then looked to see if those patterns were also true in other people's charts.

Like any relative new area of science there's going to be a lot of minute changes in the definitions over the first course of it's discovery.

The asteroids don't give it a bad name, they're just in their infancy. With this type of science, you're dissecting information. Just like Sabian symbols and persona charts are dissecting information... from one chart, given enough knowledge of how to dissect, you can keep going until almost infinity (although personally I think there's a point where it reaches chaos and stops describing an individual rather than just humanity).

Think of it like, you're a dermatologist and they're analyzing hair (don't know the word). You find enough information in your research to last you a lifetime. They need to know a little about your type of research in order to understand their own, but they don't need to know all of it. Where as you don't need to know any of their research to understand your own.

posted April 07, 2012 12:26 PM            

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I love Asteroids!
A lot of research goes into getting the meaning of each one. There are some that are hard to decipher and that interests me very much. I am at the moment waiting on the story of Pan
I love all the work everyone in the asteroids forum has put into sharing all kinds of information on each one. I noticed mostly the soulmate pairings as one of the most talked about topics because let's face it everyone is in love or wants to be lol Anyway Asteroids are very interesting and they are part of space and they are not going anywhere anytime soon so let's continue to enjoy them.
~AD~ http://youtu.be/ya-HMFMXOi0
Thank you Randall for the Asteroids Forum and Thank you IQ for all the time you put into Asteroids Ami you know I love you xhugsx keep doing your thang girl

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posted April 07, 2012 12:34 PM            

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Thanks Jerry

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posted April 07, 2012 04:27 PM            

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For Ami http://youtu.be/6XbIuSLaCnk

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posted April 07, 2012 04:44 PM            

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Every particle in the Universe has energy.

Does that mean a pebble on Long Island beach has a personal effect on my Spiritual or physical Being?

Perhaps in some connection of Unity it does but not enough effect to draw any conclusions from

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posted April 07, 2012 04:54 PM            

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If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
Bruce Lee

Thought this was kind of appropriate - xx

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posted April 07, 2012 05:01 PM            

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I sort of wonder when people look at the cajillion asteroids, and think this sounds like me...do they look to see if its in their regular natals to explain it? Almost everytime it does. Half the explanations do sound made up.

Overall, I dont care if people want to discuss it. I will read it, even look it up sometimes, but most of the time if not every time, its explained in my natal chart with regular planets.

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posted April 08, 2012 10:19 AM            

Very well said. Asteroids have definitely helped me overcome the plateau of astrology with regular planets. BTW, thousands of Vedic Astrologers use the same logic used against Asteroids to judge Uranus, Neptune and Pluto as irrelevant. And I am sure a hundred thousand years ago, the standard astrologers would have looked down on anyone using any planetary object other than the Sun, Moon and Ascendant.

Astronomers put down any kind of astrologer in the same way.

It is a natural process.

"Denial is the most predictable of Human Responses" said the Architect of the Matrix

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posted April 08, 2012 10:28 AM            

"Every particle in the Universe has energy.
Does that mean a pebble on Long Island beach has a personal effect on my Spiritual or physical Being?

Perhaps in some connection of Unity it does but not enough effect to draw any conclusions from?

thanks, juni

posted April 08, 2012 10:34 AM            

Absolutely true. We are not supposed to just cram the chart with every Asteroid and try to fit a meaning.
Do we have a unique theme in our life? Is there an Asteroid name related to that unique theme? If so, we check its placement. And 9 times out of 10, that Asteroid will either be making a major aspect to an important Planet in our chart, or it will be transiting an important object.

I do not think Zipporah Dobbins, Zane Stein, Eric Francis, Marc Homes and Raymond Andrews are nitwits. They have done far more research than me and in the true spirit of Mathematics, I was able to cross verify their Asteroid research.
Thanks to Francis I could nail Nessus being relevant in sexual assault. I have actually saved people thanks to this research.

I have lost count of charts where a married couple has Saturn aspect JUNO than Saturn aspect Venus. And till date nobody has proved that the aspects of the Asteroid KAALI in the Windsor Family Charts since 1700 AD is within standard probability. In fact, no other planet has been found with such repeated occurrences. No planet is exactly conjunct Sun in the charts of Prince William and Queen Elizabeth. But Asteroid KAALI is. If there was no Asteroid Kaali, and if we name a speck of dust orbiting the Sun as Kaali, the Name Frequency alone is enough to affect Humanity. Gravity in Astrology becomes irrelevant beyond the Moon, the argument of Gravity will be laughed at by Astronomers.

Important points:
Asteroid POSEIDON in Capricorn in 10 out of 14 Earthquakes where more than 100,000 deaths occurred. I still
await a standard Astrologer finding any planet in a specific Sign with more than 5/14 occurrences.

Synchronicity: Just now helping a guy who was cheated into a fraudulent marriage where the wifey lied about her age and ex-husband. All planets are looking good in his chart. Mars in 4th, Cappy Rising, Moon in 5th, Blessed Lord of 6th, nothing in 8th, Sun in 12th Sagittarius, Venus in first and Jupiter in 2nd. He has access to the best "standard astrologers" but no closure about why this happened to him. Guess what? He has Asteroid SWINDLE conjunct his Venus to the exact degree and minute... Every day in every way I see the evidence for Asteroids functioning in their mysterious ways. Planet Maldek's parting gift ?

Mathematical Probability is in complete favor of Asteroids being highly relevant in Natal Charts.

Juni wrote:
<<Every particle in the Universe has energy.
Does that mean a pebble on Long Island beach has a personal effect on my Spiritual or physical Being? >>
Not as it is, but if someone hires a magician to put a powerful hex on the pebble to correspond to your Name Frequency, and then does some voodoo on it, and if you are not psychically protected, you will definitely feel its effects. Likewise, if a white magician can associate your name to a crystal and bless it, you will feel positive effects. This is a 4th Dimensional Effect.
an Asteroid with the name frequency of Kaali, Osiris, Isis, Karma etc will thus have potent effects on your spiritual progress the moment you open up such themes.
Not to mention Fixed Stars. That is an amazing effect in its own right. A client thought she was mad to dream about past lives in other Star realms until she found me and I spotted Asteroid DNA conjunct Galactic Center and Asteroid KARMA conjunct the Super Galactic Center exact. She did not have any Neptune affliction to be brushed off by standard astrology.

Let us learn and grow in a fun way.
Why don't you just post your chart, let us find the most potent Asteroids and check whether they have any effect at all on your chart? I will also have the pleasure of learning about how your various simultaneous lifelines/spiritual Asteroid themes helped you into become an excellent Astrologer and a very Spiritual person.

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posted April 08, 2012 12:32 PM            

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IQ is a trained engineer. You don't get more scientific than that

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posted April 08, 2012 02:01 PM            

hmmm, not so cut and dried as IQ noted

Was the dissing comment directed at me?

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No one should be dissed for any belief (although it gets heated in GU). Just because you believe in Vedic, and I may not, or you believe in the Equal House, and I believe in Placidus instead, that doesn't mean I should diss you or you diss me. I used to not believe in Asteroids either, but now I am 100 percent satisfied that many of them are quite relevant. A pebble on the beach really isn't the same thing. lol Celestial bodies falling in your chart have something to say and to show,
and learning to listen to that is a good thing, IMHO.

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posted April 08, 2012 03:39 PM            

I would not post my chart for anyone here to dissect because you arent fond of me from the start, so that will alter your interpretations.

One person here once told me something I was told and later found proof on my own, was wrong and it was actually this [their interp] (which couldnt have been farther from the truth) and that is when I knew then that the person was full of hot air and was clearly basing their conclusion on just what they knew of me from LL. I didnt have the heart to tell them why they were wrong because clearly their ego was very wrapped up in all of this and they thought of themself as a very wise sage in these matters.

posted April 08, 2012 03:50 PM            

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Nicely put Randall

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