posted April 08, 2012 09:48 PM            

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If it works for an individual, then for that person no explanation is needed.

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That is totally the truth, Randall.

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posted April 09, 2012 02:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You want fries with that?

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eh...how about one of those mocha thingies? or smoothies?

I like Arby's fries better than Burger King's.

posted April 09, 2012 06:50 AM            

Example: Asteroid 2309 is named SPOCK.
This Asteroid will have an effect only in the chart of a Trekkie.

There are about 300 major Asteroid Themes which can have a generic impact. This is where we stop. In this 300, we have to again look at tight orbs. Conjunctions to Luminaries or Saturn. Sacred Degrees and so on.

Example: Dane Rudhyar's chart based on planets alone indicates a prolific writer.
We know he was a sophisticated theosphist and a highly evolved Soul based on his writings. The guy born on 24th March 1895 also has the same 4 planets in Gemini, so do thousands more born till April 1895.

Why did Dane Rudhyar alone get to tap the secrets of the Universe?

Look at the Asteroids: ANGEL and KARMA both conjunct in 29 Aquarius. A sacred Sabian degree of an Occult Brotherhood of Light.

Example 2: Millions of people have a similar planetary chart to that of Gene Simmons. Why was he more successful than most with his sexual escapades with thousands of women?
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a) Ascendant conjunct LUST exact in the degree of Tantra which is 13 Aries.
b) Venus exactly opposite MESSALINA. 24/7 Male "***** "

Can any planetary astrologer look at this Virgo Sun and Moon gentleman's chart who has Mars in Cancer and take a solemn oath that he can spot a guy who sh**ged more than a thousand girls? There are hundreds of thousands of men with this combination of Aries Rising, Sun+Moon in Virgo, Mars in Cancer and Libra Venus. The general astrological reading for such a man is an honest, impulsive, impatient, a bit fussy, quick calculating person who is into finance and enjoys fine arts. He would prefer a curvacious wife but he might annoy her with his immaculate attention to detail.

I once again pose a challenge, can any standard astrologer swear that they can spot Gene Simmons unbeatable bizarre
and extraordinary sexual sucess/behavior without looking at the relevant Asteroid theme that precisely describes his behavior ?

I must add: The lucky b**t*rd also has Sun conjunct FORTUNA.

One more unbeatable proof will be given later, with the precise mathematical probability calculations, using Binomial Probability Theorem
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_probability

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posted April 09, 2012 08:22 AM            

Also, with the asteroids, you need a VERY close conjunction in order for them to count imo. You can have a very close other aspect as well such as a trine but this must be even closer as the conjunction is more powerful.

My Themes are Echo. She lost her identity and must struggle against huge odds to find it. Another is Osiris whose theme is overcoming obstacles and thriving.

Another is Orchus, the hero who overcomes in a Rocky like manner. He is down for the count but pulls himself up with all his force. Another is Eros which needs no explanation

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posted April 09, 2012 02:26 PM            

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what is a theme? just 1 conjunct? so there r only 300 posibilities?

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Well, a theme should come out if you intently look at your chart for VERY close conjunctions--usually. See what conjuncts personal planets and angles.Those will be your themes. It is not hard but does take some time. Then, you have to really study up on your theme asteroids as therein lies your life ime.

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posted April 09, 2012 02:59 PM            

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Along the lines of Sacred Contracts? Caroline Myss has you choose twelve archetypes that fit you, and interview them. I stopped reading when I got to that part, because I couldn't concentrate on the writing, and well... stuff has been happening since then.

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I love Caroline Myss. I either read that book or listened on tape. Yes, some asteroids are archetypes.Juno is the archetype of the devoted wife. Pallas is the archetype of tribal or wise woman wisdom. Ceres is the archetype of maternal, unconditional love. Some are not, though. Some are characters from myth such as Echo, Medusa or Sedna. There are some attribute asteroids such as Wisdom. Asteroids are varied, very much so.

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posted April 09, 2012 08:18 PM            

So, as to the "95% of Asteroids will not have noticeable effects" These seem to be the very % that most believe have impact and oh and ah over. My opinion I do surmise that is what was on T`s mind as well. The hoopla over 95% as life or past life altering..

Gene Simmons , ugh he isn`t even the most talented Kiss member, Just the most sh*gged.

I will let this rest until we can have a open discussion about Asteroids and their effect on the human.

posted April 09, 2012 09:06 PM            

Like T, I have seen too many times one`s chart used against the person as well as Gods made out of them. It has caused many a fight on many forums so I will not.

BUT I have a whole host of asteroids from Serennu I would post and let those in the know have at it.

No Lucifer for anyone wondering but I do have an Uranian Hades

posted April 10, 2012 12:39 AM            

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If anyone is reading this and feels confused, I would like to add my 2 cents. I am not a master like IQ. I am a 3 year student. However, my lab is doing lots of charts. This is what I have found. Each person will have from one to 3 themes. Once these themes are found, the person has a sense of coming home unlike what can be found in the chart, without asteroids. Each person's theme is unique. Most of you know me, so I will share my asteroid themes as you will recognize them from knowing me, I think.

Also, with the asteroids, you need a VERY close conjunction in order for them to count imo. You can have a very close other aspect as well such as a trine but this must be even closer as the conjunction is more powerful.

My Themes are Echo. She lost her identity and must struggle against huge odds to find it. Another is Osiris whose theme is overcoming obstacles and thriving.

Another is Orchus, the hero who overcomes in a Rocky like manner. He is down for the count but pulls himself up with all his force. Another is Eros which needs no explanation

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This makes sense to me, finding your theme! I like that. It feels so Jungian.
You make me want to check my asteroids Ami.

posted April 10, 2012 03:51 AM            

Thumbs up to Sunchild about the Jungian point. That is the way to apply Asteroids. Specific Themes, Synchronicities etc.

There was a day when two different vehicles stopped in front of me, and both had the same number: 7446. I thought of checking whether an Asteroid exists with this number, and I found Asteroid Hadrianus. Now his is not an important theme in general but to me, specifically, it solved many a personal mystery. And it was making a perfect transit as well to a relevant planet.

Another time, I saw a dream of being in a museum and looking at a relic. A word kept ringing inside that museum, and it was a name I had never heard of before: Ashurbanipal. I googled it the moment I woke up, and he was a great king of Assyria who built the Library of Nineveh. And there was an Asteroid with the same name, transiting to form an exact conjunction with a karmic object in my own chart.

Again, this is not a generic theme. But it helps solve a personal mystery. A mystery that looking at the Sun, Moon or Ascendant or planets in any permutation/combination will never solve.

If there is no unique theme or series of themes/patterns in life, then it is an utter waste of time to look into Asteroids. Planets and planetary aspects are more than sufficient in this case.

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posted April 11, 2012 06:53 AM            

In a plight not be completely overwhelmed with asteroids, I decided to take a few of them and learn about them, see where they fit into my chart and how to interpret them.

I wasn't big on asteroids but learning more about them myself (instead of not having any knowledge of them and asking someone else to interpret them) made me understand them better and appreciate the role they play.

It's much easier to critisze what we don't understand (this is a general statement and not directed at anyone). So learn, test it, see if it works for you or not and take it from there.

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posted April 11, 2012 11:10 PM            

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OMG! Randall you're hilarious!

I just finished reading this whole thread and I love that there's some fun in such a serious discussion.

Ok fabulous thread and discussion! Love it!

I think by now pretty much everyone knows that my astrological knowledge is pretty tiny. But I thought I'd go ahead and give an opinion anyway from what I know and also what I feel so far (intuitively).

I had been on the astro 2.0 forum since I joined and would read everything there, pour over my chart to get an understanding, etc.

But then I became restless, as I myself began to feel I wasn't getting "the whole picture" somehow. Nobody said anything to me. I just started to feel this within me. And then a few days ago I happened upon the asteroid forum, read some stuff there, and decided to look into it some more.

It's not been long at all but I already feel like the asteroid info kinda fills in the "holes" the planets leave, somehow. I don't know how or why I feel it. I just do. And aside from the debate on this thread, I haven't read anything for or against asteroids. I just dove straight into it on the Heiros thread there, and am learning so much more beyond planets.

Still haven't found my theme etc., but I already have a strong feeling that asteroids will make my chart more "me" than planets could, if that makes sense.

Anyway, kudos T, for having the gumption to discuss this topic.

And kudos to EVERYONE who contributed to this thread, for having such a civil discussion. I'm sure iQ's and Randall's presence here contributed quite a bit to that

These are the kinds of threads that make me want to rub my hands in glee

posted April 12, 2012 12:15 AM            

well arent you just the most adorable poster on the planet!!!

I love you right now.

There's a buncha stuff I'd like to respond to and I think i will tomorrow.

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Anyway, kudos T, for having the gumption to discuss this topic.

And kudos to EVERYONE who contributed to this thread, for having such a civil discussion. I'm sure iQ's and Randall's presence here contributed quite a bit to that

These are the kinds of threads that make me want to rub my hands in glee

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Me to!

and jesstar put it very well...

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Amen!

& thank you all too.

posted April 12, 2012 02:48 AM            

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Linda Jones,

well arent you just the most adorable poster on the planet!!!

I love you right now.

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Oh T! Thank you and ... right back at ya. Look at you! You're so loving ... how could anybody not at least like you.

And I think (regardless of the decision you made about not wanting to put your chart up-which is absolutely fine), iQ was very gentle in his offer. At least that's what I sensed about his energy.