posted July 08, 2009 11:36 AM         

and for those in the military... "a dot"

posted July 09, 2009 04:35 AM         

if they were from my family, i would feel different, obviously. i would like them to leave the army and would tell them that. but i would accept their choices if there was no chances to get them to change their minds. and then i would hate any foreigners coming here to tell me that he doesn't feel bad for my relatives when they are exposing their life!

posted July 09, 2009 09:21 AM         

Now, these same disrespectful leftists attempted to obstruct Bush in protecting the United States. Bush ignored them and did his job anyway...and so did the US military.

They did their jobs so well that not a single domestic American citizen got an RPG fired up their ass after 9-11-01.

On the other hand, leftists were in love with Kommander Korruption's..aka Bill Clinton's idea of terrorism as a law enforcement problem.

That loony tunes response got America and Americans attacked and killed all through the 1990's and the 9-11-01 attack was planned starting in 1998. After all, there seemed to be no downside for attacking the United States.

Terrorists got away with bombing the World Trade Center in 1993. Terrorists got away with bombing 2 US embassies in Africa. Terrorists got away with bombing the Kobar Towers and terrorists got away with bombing the USS Cole...and Kommander Korruption's response was to entertain Monica with a fine Cuban cigar.

On the other hand, terrorists did not get away with bombing the World Trade Center the second time on 9-11-01. Tens of thousands of dead terrorists are decomposing beneath the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan and more than 80% of terrorist commanders are either dead or captured.

Bush and the US military kept America and Americans safe at home after 9-11-01...and leftist are still whining about that.

If it were up to me, there would be a mandatory military service..for women and men between the ages of 18-30 for 3 years. No college and no career until that military service was completed.

It's doubtful leftists could be taught anything of value..except perhaps some basic respect but at least, that would be a step in the right direction.

In the alternative, leftists would be free to renounce their US citizenship and immigrate..if they could find a nation willing to accept a bunch of know nothing, screeching, moaning and shrieking thumb sucking whiners.

posted July 09, 2009 10:02 AM         

How stupid I thought. Close the borders and seal them up tight.

Later, I came to realize the undefended Iraqi borders were a very clever plan to draw terrorists into Iraq to be killed or captured. Why turn over every rock in the world to find the terrorists? Why not have them come to us for their final reward?

Terrorists made 2 blundering mistakes.

First mistake was not realizing George W Bush is not Kommander Korruption..aka, Bill Clinton who sat on his ass all through his tenure in the White House and permitted terrorists to attack the United States at will.

Second mistake was bin Laden's declaration making Iraq the central battlefield in the terrorist war on Western Civilization.

The Bush plan was simply brilliant.

Now, we have a CIC who wants to revert to the failed Kommander Korruption policy of treating terrorism and terrorists as a law enforcement problem.

The goofy O'Bomber wants terrorists read their US Constitutional rights when captured on foreign battlefields and he wants to try terrorists in the US criminal court system.

Compared to Bush, O'Bomber wouldn't make a decent sized pimple on the ass of a real President and Commander in Chief of military forces of the United States.

July 09, 2009
Why I'm Thankful for George W. Bush
By Ken Russell

On October 23, 1983 the Marine Corps Battalion Landing Team (BLT) building located at the Beirut International Airport was blown up. Two hundred twenty Marines, 18 Sailors and 3 Soldiers were killed in a split second by a suicide bomber. I wasn't there at the time. I was participating in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada. I was a squadron CH-46E helicopter co-pilot in Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 261 (HMM-261) and also the squadron classified materials officer. Being the one who set up the squadron classified messages, I read about it before most others. It was an unbelievable gut punch and breathtaking in a bad way.

I did arrive in Lebanon with the rest of HMM-261 about two weeks later to relieve the aviation combat element for the 24th Marine Amphibious Unit, HMM-162. My first day landing in LZ S-Bird, located directly besides the now destroyed BLT building was quite sobering. Twisted metal spikes of rebar jutted out of the concrete wreckage in no particular recognizable fashion. Bits of boot leather, t-shirts and camouflage utility shreds dangled from the several feet long ragged rebar. Indications of human occupation in the flattened mass demanded no comments about what happened and how. Silence and reverence was the only response we could muster every time we saw it, every day we landed there for the next few months.

We did all ask each other and comment with each other about this new and wildly evil enemy that knew no boundaries, no uniforms, no flags, no geographical limits and no respect whatsoever for human life. They were the new head of the food chain; the great white shark killing machine with no intentions of killing for survival. Theirs was to kill for ideology and for effect, terrifying effect.

How do you fight this enemy? How do you fight such a stealth and taunting ideology who uses all of your assets and all of your weaknesses against all of your decency and love for freedom? When was there an enemy in history like this, whose object of passionate faith was in a sick, self destructive ideology? What the hell is this thing and how do we meet and engage this enemy on the battlefields or locations on which we are trained?

It was all new to all of us and we knew it. We talked about it and then quickly changed the subject. Marines aren't used to being in a place where we couldn't seek and destroy the enemy. It was strange ground. This new threat was going to require new school books, new manuals, unknown training and above all leaders who could figure it all out. We kept busy occupying ourselves with the task at hand, international peace keeping -- whatever the hell that meant -- but the eerie new enemy never left our deeper thoughts.

Fast forward years later and that enemy became active again like a gurgling volcano. The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, Kobar Towers, African embassies, USS Cole all went unanswered like the '83 BLT bombing. I was off active duty, had inter-service transferred into the Navy Reserves and working a civilian job in the aerospace industry when the first WTC bombing took place. Obviously no one figured out how or still didn't have the moral courage to close with and engage the enemy even after the USS Cole was bombed several years later. Terrorism, the exact same kind from the exact group of ideologies in 1983, was slowly defeating us and we acted like a nation locked out of a motel room, standing in the rain, naked.

Then, the worst terror attack in world history took place on our shores. We all know it. We all felt that same gut punch, but this time we had a leader who had his clothes on, the room key, an umbrella and a reassuring smile on his face. Why so many hated him for that can only be explained by unbridled pettiness but there was no time to focus on destroying his life. This enemy had now engaged us in our house and we had to close with him, borders or no borders, uniforms or no uniforms, battlefields or no battlefields. George W Bush was that leader -- but how was he going to defeat these guys?

General Tommy Franks told us precisely how on Day One of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Few caught it. It was so very simple and so very brilliant and almost everyone thought it only applied to one objective; overthrowing Saddam Hussein. Remember what he said?

"We will close with and engage the enemy at a time and place of our choosing."

It was genius and anyone in the United States who thought it only meant Saddam Hussein were rope-a-doped along with the new enemy. The American rope-a-dopers whose occupation it was to destroy George W Bush, unknowingly helped severely weaken the most difficult enemy faced by any state or alliance in human history.

Now how did we win and cripple for life this new enemy? Using their ideology against them, we lured them into a location in which we could engage them using our superior capabilities on a battlefield with which we were quite familiar. This enemy is a worldwide cancer and occupies not merely Afghanistan (an extremely difficult theater to say the least) but also the entire globe. It would have been impossible to go to several nations, cross their sovereign borders, find the terrorist hideouts then close with and engage them.

Imagine the worldwide hair lighting on fire had that happened. It was bad enough when yellow cake was hidden by glasses of mint tea in Niger from one of the Bush hating torches. Barney Frank would have gone straight, found his false teeth, worn them and lit his hair on fire if we invaded several nations. We didn't. We drew them into Iraq and we killed them there. Simple and genius.

Even Barack Obama admitted it -- and as usual, was clueless when he did so. Remember his pre-election interview on Fox News with Bill O'Reilly? Bill asked him if George W Bush was right about the surge and defeating al Qaeda in Iraq. Remember what Obama said?

"Before Bush invaded, there was no al Qaeda in Iraq."

You got it Sun Tzu, er, I mean Mr. President. The strategery worked as planned, just like Tommy Franks said it would "at a time and place of OUR choosing."

The enemy's ideology drew him to attack American forces in Iraq with the intention to force an American loss. The more the mainstream media and Democrats celebrated each thousand American deaths, the more terrorists from all over the globe flocked to Iraq. Each worked with the other to further their own set of agendas and ideologies; one for political power and the other for twisted religious ideology. While doing so, we destroyed the enemy and their leaders, most going completely unreported. It was brilliant. So much so that they still haven't figured it out because they simply do not have the ability to do so. The domestic opposition did however have the ability to take credit for W's win last week, celebrating Iraqi victory over terrorism.

That is why I want to thank George W Bush and the military leaders who finally, finally after all the lost friends, lost Marines, lost three thousand plus Americans, had the courage and temerity to close with and engage this new enemy and defeat them in so many ways, crippling them to the point of near extinction. You also taught our new president how to authorize a surge like the one now taking place in Afghanistan. Leftist pettiness would never allow them to call it that, but that is exactly what it is patterned after, General Petraeus.

Thank you President Bush. I know it doesn't mean much coming from some former Marine in Missouri but I appreciate what you did and I'll never forget it.

posted July 09, 2009 12:34 PM         

from washerhelp.co.uk

A look at the quality of modern washing machines compared to washing machines of the past and the implications and consequences of reducing the quality.

The short answer is no, most are a long way from the quality of the past. But yes, you can still buy high quality washing machines ( e.g. Miele washing machines ). It's just that they are seen as being very expensive compared with most "normal" washing machines, which have not only not increased in price but have become even cheaper in real terms because of a dumbing down of quality over the last 10 or 15 years. The truth is that the "expensive" washing machines are simply reflecting the proper price of a high quality washing machine (with quality aftersales to match) these days ...

...The problem is that many washing machine manufacturers who used to make good, reliable washing machines are no longer making them to the same standards as they once did. Some previously trusted household-name manufacturers have also been taken over by other companies, who then produced their own (lower quality) washing machines in their place. The washing machine changed its quality, but kept the original name. [ related: who really makes your washing machine ]

Reducing build quality

As competition in the market increased, instead of bravely maintaining quality and seeing their washing machines inevitably rise in price (and probably - though not necessarily - be ignored by a public obsessed with price) many of these manufacturers have found themselves constantly having to reduce quality and cut corners to keep their washing machines competitively priced. They now routinely redesign their washing machines from scratch, ditching tried and tested methods and designs in favour of cheaper new production methods and cheaper suppliers of parts.

Most of these manufacturers have been making washing machines for many decades, and should have developed an incredibly reliable washing machine by now. Instead they are selling new washing machines that still suffer the same faults their previous models suffered from over 10-years ago. Instead of their washing machines becoming better with time and experience, they get worse, or at best stay the same.

Meanwhile, the minority of companies who chose the quality route, produce quality washing machines that only a minority buy because the prices seem too high in comparison with the ubiquitous cheap washing machines. The customers sticking with many of the household names then start to think that all washing machines are not made as well as they used to be but they are unaware of the gulf between something like a Hotpoint, Hoover, Candy, Indesit - and a Miele, or even the much smaller but still significant gap between them and something like an Electrolux, AEG, Siemens etc.

Most current washing machines are way too cheap

The natural rise in production costs over the years combined with inflation has seen the best quality new washing machines reach prices that the majority of people won't accept (or simply can't afford). On the other hand, mass production on a global scale, the buying up of manufacturers by global companies ( see who really makes your washing machine ) and dumbing down of quality, has made the mid to budget price range of new washing machines cheaper to buy than ever before - but comparatively more expensive than ever before to repair.

For example, Hoover used to sell a 1200 spin 4.5Kg washing machine at over £400 in the 1990s, yet you can now (2008) buy a Hoover 1600 spin 6Kg washing machine for £211. That's inflation in reverse and it's achieved in large part by reducing quality and repairability.

In 1973, a basic Hoover washing machine was £94.88, in today's prices that's £687 ( Source Inflation calculator ). Today - over 30 years later a similarly basic washing machine but with faster spins and a bigger drum can be bought for £220. That's equivalent to just £30.77 in 1973. So in 30 years the price of a basic washing machine has dropped (in real terms) by nearly 70% which is absolutely staggering.

A 70% reduction in the cost of a washing machine 30 years later is impossible without reducing the quality and longevity of the product. If you want to produce a washing machine made as well as the Hoover was in 1973 it would cost much more like £500+ and with extra features and technical advances it can easily be £700+.

Summary

Top quality, extremely well built washing machines are still available and they are every bit as reliable as they used to be - if not more so. They just usually cost between £500 and can reach over £1000 ( warning be careful of assuming a £500 washing machine has to be high build quality - If I buy a more expensive washing machine, do I get a better washing machine? ).

A quality washing machine should last a good 15 - 20 years, but only a few manufacturers produce quality washing machines ( Miele being the best ). Most manufacturers prefer to sell to the mass market in vast quantities, but it's getting harder for them to compete on price and they've dug themselves into a big hole.

Who's to blame?

Consumers relentlessly batter down prices by rewarding those who can do it £5 cheaper and punishing those who can't by not buying. Too many consumers focus on price over quality and choose faster spins and more features over solid build quality and repairability. The majority of consumers swap over to cheaper washing machines if the one they always had goes up in price. There's a limit to the savings to be made by clever, innovative production methods. Inevitably manufacturers had to resort to cutting down the length of the mains cable and hoses, reducing the quality and sturdiness of the main casing, changing metal parts to plastic etc. and reducing the quality and repairability of components in order to satisfy the demand for cheap prices.

I believe that after 20 or more years of this, the public are growing tired of the constant breakdowns and lack of longevity of many modern washing machines. They are eventually wising up to the fact that cheap washing machines are more trouble than they are worth and are too important a product in the home to be so cheaply produced.

posted July 09, 2009 01:13 PM         

and how is it that the patriot act, an acronym by the way, is not a massive infringement of our liberty?

"US: F.E.M.A. is planning nationwide terrorism drills in the United States set to begin on July 27th, 2009.... [9/11, 7/7, the Madrid Bombings and other disasters have all occurred during virtually nearly identical "exercises" involving those responders and troops who would otherwise focus on an event of their magnitude and suddenness - REL]" edit: this is from LTT's flu vaccine post in this forum.

posted July 09, 2009 01:54 PM         

Sorry, that doesn't fly with me.

Admit it katatonic, Bush kept America safe and your fair haired boy Kommander Korruption didn't.

Neither is your guy O'Bomber going to do so. There is going to be extreme fall out when and if the US mainland is attacked again because O'Bomber and his Marxist pals in Congress reduced our ability to locate, track, capture and/or kill terrorists who are planning attacks against the US.

These clowns in charge of US security better hope no one in my family is injured or killed because I will take it very personally.

I don't know what you're talking about pire.

posted July 09, 2009 03:28 PM         

quote:

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we lured them into a location in which we could engage them using our superior capabilities on a battlefield with which we were quite familiar.

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Right....That's exactly what Bush intended to happen by taking on Saddam Hussein. Weren't we there because of the threat that Hussein's weapons of mass destruction? It's true that Bush and Co. wrongly thought there was a relationship between Hussein and Al Qaeda, but the plan was never to consciously lure Al Qaeda to Iraq. That's absolute nonsense, and straight up poor deduction.

posted July 09, 2009 05:04 PM         

That's what the MSM keep telling us...and the terrorists who plan to attack us. Not only does the MSM talk about holes in the defense but they tell the terrorists where and what those holes are. But then, what would one expect from the idiots who printed classified information on their front pages..The Treason Times...and told terrorists how Bush was tracking them down.

Saddam was in material breach of his cease fire agreement with the UN. The war was not over from 1991...merely suspended while Saddam did the things he agreed to do. 12 years later he still had not done the things he agreed to do.

Further, every intelligence agency in the world believed Saddam had WMD he was not supposed to have. Even Saddam's own generals believed they would have WMD to use against coalition forces. End of the story.

Bush never...at any time linked Saddam to the 9-11-01 attacks, never. I keep hearing this bullshiit from leftists who don't know what they're talking about having read it on some loony-tunes leftist website.

It was bin Laden who declared Iraq the central battlefield against the West, not Bush. Bush just took advantage of the situation to thin the terrorist herd and did so.

I would say Bush did lure terrorists into Iraq. He did that in several ways.

First, the Iraqi borders were not patrolled nor defended...and open invitation.

Second, Bush and military commanders permitted terrorists to infiltrate and group in the north and didn't do anything about them for about 18 months. Then, US forces surrounded Falluja and took large numbers of terrorists captive and killed many more.

It was a brilliant strategy which worked. Now, leftists moan, groan, wheeze and whine that there's a secular representative government in Iraq that they attempted to abort for most of 7 years.

Something about leftists drives them to embrace dictators, especially Socialist dictators of which Saddam Hussein was one.

There would have never been a 9-11-01 attack against the United States if Kommander Korruption had taken Sudan up on it's offer(s)...3 offers... to turn bin Laden and his commanders over to the US.

Let me remind you katatonic that the 9-11-01 attack was planned in 1998..on Kommander Korruption's watch. Let me further remind you katatonic that in the year 1998...on Kommander Korruption's watch, the Congress of the United States passed a resolution calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein from the head of the Iraqi government. Kommander Korruption lacked sufficient testosterone levels to get the job done.

posted July 09, 2009 11:49 PM         

"The moment you give up your principles, and your values . . . the moment you laugh at those principles, and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." Orianna Fallaci

On Thursday, the US released 4 Iranian detainees who are suspected of being members of an Iranian Special Forces team that facilitated the smuggling of explosives and explosive devices into Iraq, including shaped charges that could penetrate US armored vehicles. A recent article on the National Review Online, by Andrew C. McCarthy entitled "Negotiating with Terrorists" outlines one of the actions these men are suspected of planning, equipping and executing.

"On Jan. 20, 2007, five American soldiers were killed and three seriously wounded in Iraq. As Bill Roggio relates at the Long War Journal, it was a daring operation: a twelve-man terrorist team disguised as U.S. servicemen attacked our troops as they held a previously arranged meeting with local officials in Karbala. Four of the soldiers were alive when they were abducted from the scene. They were handcuffed and murdered in a remote location when the coalition forces attempting to rescue them closed in."

A few months later Qais Qazali, Laith Qazali and Ali Mussa Daqduq were captured, along with documents that confirmed they were agents of Iran responsible for organizing and directing terror cells in Iraq. Hundreds of US servicemen and women and thousands of innocent Iraqis died horribly because of them. What these Iranians did were war crimes, from the killing of civilians to the execution of prisoners. They likely took part in operations themselves; in fact the attackers in Karbala were so expertly disguised as American soldiers their equipment and vehicles were very likely supplied directly by Iran.

McCarthy continues;

"About two weeks ago, the Obama administration released Laith Qazali after extensive negotiations with the Asaib al-Haq terror network. That network has long been in negotiations with the fledgling Iraqi government, dangling the possibility of laying down its arms, renouncing violence, and integrating into Iraqi society, provided that its top members - particularly Qais and Laith Qazali, as well as Ali Mussa Daqduq - be released."

Now that has been done, below the radar, and over the graves of our soldiers. These war criminals are being called diplomats in an attempt to hide the release from the American public. They are being set free to reunite with friends and family and continue their work for a brutal murderous regime that is our mortal enemy. What the US may receive in return is a temporary lull in terror attacks, so the precipitous withdrawal of US troops by the Obama administration won't be seen for the blunder that it is. Our soldiers and their grieving families will not receive justice; their murderers are now a tool of the Democrats, their release a stratagem for political gain.

All this should make Americans realize just what kind of people are in the White House and in Congress. They do not respect or honor our foundational principles; they do not respect or honor America's values. You do not let a crime go unpunished. You do not reward evil; it cannot be appeased. We will inherit no goodwill; we will enjoy no diplomatic concessions; we are the "great Satan" to the regime in Teheran and treating with us is an immoral act. Their ideology and their policies are based on hatred. To think otherwise is not merely naïve, it is idiotic.

We are in the awful situation were an American President and his administration sides with our enemies, where crimes against us are ignored for petty political gain. How much more American and Iraqi blood will be spilt because of their adolescent leftist ideology? Can they truly be so blind to the horrific consequences of releasing terrorists in an attempt to secure peace? Or do they hate our soldiers so completely that they do not care?

posted July 10, 2009 12:16 PM         

this is not a particularly new story but to me it is..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthScience/The_mother_of_all_civ ilisations/articleshow/2625053.cms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfJntU5C4yg

posted July 10, 2009 12:25 PM         

yes and all those dead people cannot bring back the world trade towers OR the people who died inside or afterwards from the silicon fall-out that invaded their bodies.

i think it might be a bit cocky to claim that they did not get away with it. they did and it COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED.

but lest you think i blame bush, i am well aware that he was out of the way at the time with a very good alibi. cheney, however, was on the spot and actively doing - nothing, apparently.

i don't see everything in terms of how much testosterone someone can muster - obviously that is not my main hormone. removing hussein from office after he got too big for his britches with the weapons we furnished him...well might have been the responsible thing to do but isn't it all a little insane? playing chess with the world - is that our government's function? invading the citizen's privacy?

perhaps the last great lyric mick jagger wrote...

"HIGHWIRE - jagger/richards

We sell 'em missiles, We sell 'em tanks
We give 'em credit, You can call the bank

It's just a business, You can pay us in crude
You love these toys, just go play out your feuds

Got no pride, don't know whose boots to lick
We act so greedy, makes me sick sick sick

So get up, stand up, out of my way
I want to talk to the boss right away
Get up, stand up, whose gonna pay
I want to talk to the man right away

We walk the highwire
Sending the men up to the front line
Hoping they don't catch the hell fire
With hot guns and cold, cold nights

We walk the highwire
Sending the men up to the front line
And tell 'em to hotbed the sunshine
With hot guns and cold, cold nights

Our lives are threatened, our jobs at risk
Sometimes dictators need a slap on the wrist

Another Munich we just can't afford
We're gonna send in the eighty-second airborne

Get up, stand up, who's gonna pay
I wanna talk to the boss right away
Get up, stand up, outta my way
I wanna talk to the man right away

We walk the highwire
Putting the world out on a deadline
And hoping they don't catch the shellfire
With hot guns and cold, cold nights

We walk the highwire
Putting the world out on a deadline
Catching the bite on primetime
With hot guns and cold, cold nights

Get up! Stand up!
Dealer! Stealer!
Hey!

We walk the highwire
We send all our men into the front lines
We're hoping that we backed the right side
With hot guns and cold, cold nights

We walk the highwire
We send all the men up to the front lines
And hoping they don't catch the hellfire
With hot guns and cold cold, cold, cold, cold nights

We walk the highwire
We walk the highwire
With hot guns and cold, cold, cold nights

With hot guns and cold, cold nights"

posted July 11, 2009 11:44 AM         

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It's probably too late for you to learn the story of Cleon and Diotodus, isn't it?..acoustic

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I know you're a very confused person acoustic. Your confusion leaks out into your posts.

Please don't attempt to cast yourself as Diotodus. You make no reasonable arguments and you have consistenty libeled and lied about Bush on this forum. Diotodus would disown you.

Reasonable discussion cannot be had with leftists so I abandoned the attempt.

Now, I talk to leftists in the only language they understand; their own.

The only difference is that I don't have to lie about leftists as they lie about most everything, including the United States. Leftist positions, leftist politicians and leftist icons are a target rich enviornment....AND, I speak the leftist inflammatory language much better than leftists do.

To find out what I think of leftists, it would be informational to study Cicero, not Cleon.

Oh, I agree katatonic. The attacks of 9/11 could have been prevented. But, Kommander Korruption was a weak kneed lamebrain who stood idly by while the US was being attacked all through the 1990s. He also refused to take bin Laden into US custody from Sudan..before Sudan kicked him and his commanders out of the country.

As for Cheney, it seems you really don't know a thing about the way the US government is supposed to operate.

"Cheney was there"

Cheney was where katatonic? Cheney was strapped into an F-15 Eagle standing by for a terrorist attack and failed to take off?

Since you don't know katatonic, Bush was President, not Cheney. Bush was not out of the country and was not incapacitated so Cheney had no authority to act as President.

Further katatonic, until the 2nd aircraft hit the WTC, it was thought the first plane strike was an accident.

Further katatonic, air traffic control was late reporting to NORAD that aircraft had disappeared off their radar screens and NORAD was late issuing a "scramble alert".

Further katatonic, Kommander Korruption had closed the airbase in New Jersey which would have been the closest to New York and there were no aircraft there to get into the air.

Further katatonic, US Air force jets did chase the 2nd plane to hit the towers..on afterburner all the way but since their transponder had been turned off, those pilots didn't know which of the hundreds of blips on their radar was the target.

3,000 people lost their lives because of leftist politicians predilection to appease dictators and avoid any confrontations..even when the US is being attacked. They're rather trade American lives in the hope of avoiding even harsh words. Kommander Korruption wagging his finger in the air was not a deterrent to terrorists and dictators.

O'Bomber will be no more successful with that tactic than Kommander Korruption.

Now katatonic, you've shot your mouth/fingers off once again.

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removing hussein from office after he got too big for his britches with the weapons we furnished him....katatonic

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So now katatonic you can tell us all about the US weapons we supposedly supplied to Saddam Hussein.

The truth is that NO US weapons or weapons systems were found in Iraq..not in the first Gulf War and not in the 2nd.

What was found were French and Russian weapons..tanks, armored personnel carriers, jet fighters, artillery, mortars, missles and some Chinese small arms.

posted July 11, 2009 04:17 PM         

oh and i have a lovely picture of donald rumsfeld grinning and shaking hands with saddam h if only i knew how to lift it out of the book i found it in. it is dated 1983 and there is no one named clinton in sight or even on the "playing field" at that time as i recall. i'll get a man on it i'm sure it will make your day!

posted July 11, 2009 07:15 PM         

Don't attempt to say it's just your opinion the US sold or gave Saddam weapons or weapons systems. There has to be some level of proof to form such an opinion...unless one is just throwing out wild accusations for the purposes of misinformation.

I'm still waiting for that list of US weapons and weapons systems you say the US sold or gave to Saddam Hussein.

When are you going to get aroundtoit?

posted July 11, 2009 10:54 PM         

Pire.. Bear the leo, my husband, knows all too well about the temperature in Iraq. He has been down there now for over 7 months.. we have at least 4-5 more to go.

As a family member... Yeah.. I know how it feels to have a loved one in this war. I know what it is like to go to more than 6 memorials in less than 8 months.

Although, I don't know what it is like to be a complete and total ignorant fool like some that have posted here and pasted their idiotic diatribes hidden behind a false sense of "care" for our troops.

Many don't have a dog in this fight. I do... and I don't feel as others that our Soldiers are only there because they are mindless robots fulfilling the needs of warmongers.

How stupid to pretend to care when in reality you could give a **** . This is just another thing to protest and if it was not for this war, idiots like kat and others would find something else to ***** about.

posted July 11, 2009 11:01 PM         

that just seems intellectually snobbish which is my main petpeeve.

Raymond
former navy, Radioman Third Class

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In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”