posted November 14, 2011 03:21 PM            

after reading what you had to say, I think it is sad that we must live in a society where going into the army would be the solution to get an education and a certain security in life.

posted November 14, 2011 04:12 PM            

I don't know of any men and women (other than a strange few) that joined the Military in order to "kill people". The same small percentage that DO join for those reasons are also the same kinds of people that have a propensity for violence regardless of what career field they choose.

It is a well known fact that my husband is in the Military and (has been for 18 years) and I work for the Military. The Soldiers that I meet everyday are your regular people that are also struggling to make a good life and take care of themselves and their families.

I don't know anyone that has come through my office or that I have known through either my husband or working for two Brigades (one that suffered mass causalities during the last two deployments) that ever woke up and said:

"Today I will go to the recruiters office so that I can join (enter Military branch here) so that I can kill people. I want to go to Afghanistan or Iraq and work 16-20 hour days in the blistering heat with 80lbs of gear on so that I may get shot at, watch my colleagues get blown up by IEDs, or RPGs. Oh and for a bonus, I can watch as the Taliban use children (YES CHILDREN) with bombs strapped to them under the guise of wanting food- so that they can blow us up. Yes, that is what I want to do all so that maybe in a fire fight MY bullet may be the one that kills the enemy that is firing on me."

Let us not forget the long separations during the deployment from loved ones, let us not forget those that come back in coffins instead of attending a welcome home ceremony.

Yep.. all so that they can kill people.

I'm not trying to change your mind but you should think about what you say before you come across as another left wing zealot that has no concept of the Military that keeps your a$$ safe. I don't just mean the US Military but the Military men and women across the globe as well.

ETA- Your statement about people joining the Army in order to get an education and security... Do you feel the same about police officers? How about Fire fighters that also put their lives on the line (and in the case of law enforcement- kill people) plus they have access to free education opportunities. How about dangerous jobs like working on a fishing boat in Alaska (dangerous) or on an oil rig? How about construction workers and miners. All those positions are dangerous yet they provide security in some fasion (unless the economic environment falters such as in the case of construction).

posted November 16, 2011 12:05 AM            

All the weeping and gnashing of teeth by leftists sounds like desperation to me.

The lowest rated news show on Fox News has a bigger audience than the top rated news shows on CNN and MSNBC...by a wide margin...almost a 2 to 1 margin!

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posted November 16, 2011 03:06 AM            

The seeds of Martial Law are sprouting.

Let those who support Mayor Bloomberg's tactics know: The same thing can happen to you if you protest a "fraudulent" victory of a despised candidate in 2012. And you will not have any voice to represent you.

It is great to have ideological differences but when human, democratic rights are brutally trashed, it is wisest to protest in one voice.

Also read this older artice: http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/10/29/crowd-control-techniques-used-by-oakland-cops-violated-army-rules-of-engagement-for-war-zones/

posted November 16, 2011 06:26 AM            

The exposure has shown just how organized and intelligent the OWS people are. The restraining order was applied for at 7 AM. It was granted within housrs.

That Bloomberg then took his request to a friendly judge (who granted it) has also been exposed, that a high ranking member of the Obama admin issuing orders has been exposed.
A nation wide containment has been ordered.

This is going to **** the fence sitters off. People who haven't as yet been paying attention, will.

So, suppression always has the exact opposite result. For those who seek to suppress a bona fide protest.....

it adds righteous energy, it increases the members of the movement 10 fold. It does nothing but add power to the protest.

posted November 16, 2011 06:31 AM            

Those Socialist, Communist, Progressive, Anarchist slugs got booted....just as they should have been booted when they showed up on the 1st day to protest without a city permit; on the 1st night they showed up with sleep over gear; as they should have been with the 1st rape, the first bust for drugs; the 1st attack on police officers; the 1st blockage of a privately owned business or any other form of illegality.

This is a downtown public park, not a rural national forest.

Funny, leftists think only they have rights in America.

Bloomberg finally found some balls. He's a disgrace as a mayor.

posted November 16, 2011 06:41 AM            

Don't try to play the "all or nothing" game with me Node.

No one I know...or have heard of wants zero regulation on business, zero regulation on banks and financial institutions or zero laws.

posted November 16, 2011 06:59 AM            

Nov 15:

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Earlier today, OccupyCal protesters at the University of California Berkeley staged a mass “teach-in” and protest to stand in solidarity with the Occupy Wall Street movement, and to rebuke police brutality. Last week, a video captured police viciously beating peaceful students as they locked arms to protect their encampment on campus.

One of the students hit by the police in the now infamous YouTube video, Honest Chung, addressed a crowd of well over a thousand people around 2:30pm PST. Chung explained the movement’s grievances, and said that the UC Regents, the governing body for the university system, had ordered the crack down. He also noted that several of the UC Regents retain positions at major banks, including Bank of America and Wells Fargo. The arrangement, Chung said, not only symbolized the larger problems of economic inequality and bank power over society, but places the UC Regents in a position to profit from student debt.

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posted November 16, 2011 07:02 AM            

by Zaid Jilani on Nov 15, 2011 at 5:15 pm

After New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg ordered a heavy-handed and unexpected raid on Occupy Wall Street last night, we are now hearing more and more details about how at least 70 people were arrested in and around Zuccotti Park.

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As news of the raid spread, New York City councilman Ydanis Rodriguez quickly ran to the scene, eager to see what was happening. As he arrived to stand with the protesters, he was wounded by the New York Police Department and arrested. According to media reports, Rodriguez was hit and had “blood on his temple.” He was then placed in a police van along with several members of the press, including a photographer with Agence France Presse.

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posted November 16, 2011 08:19 AM            

your poster boy Ronnie grew government by leaps and bounds.
your halo wearing *elephantine* party offers amendment after amendment to that revered DOC up to 40 per year! many of which would encroach on my rights!

the latest of which is the delusional Balanced Budget amendment.

a constitutional requirement that will only restrain spending-- but make tax increases effectively impossible, while continuing to permit tax cuts regardless of the deficit. This is the essence of the “balanced budget” amendment that elephants plan to vote on.

posted November 16, 2011 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Mr. Rodriguez must sue the Fascism tactics afficionado Mayor Bloomberg for a billion, that would send the right message to the wannabe Fuhrer. What a punk, B"Loo"Mberg. Many third world countries do not assault protesters like this. If this is what the Mayor orders in full media glare, imagine the skeletons in his closet.

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In the Middle east they kill the protestors. One only needs to look at Syria and surrounding countries to see the daily toll of the dead from their protesting. China also kills their protestors while in Greece they use violence to stop them.

In America we have tolerated the protestors for two months. They have destroyed parks, damaged small businesses, prevented people from going to work (and thereby hurting those same people from putting food on the table). The taxpayers will be getting the bill for the overtime that has to be paid to the city workers, to repair the damage done and also dispose of the tons and tons of waste generated by the deadbeats.

People have been raped, diseases are spreading like wildfire (again, taxpayers will have to foot the medical bills) and all the while the OWS aholes are threatening even more damage tomorrow.

posted November 17, 2011 04:20 AM            

Now, since Mr Assad is a beast and a psychopath, he is responding by killing.
The Chinese Communist Government are like "Borgs", they can kill in a flash. [200,000 of their soldiers are slated to be in US Soil in the next few months, btw, to protect Chinese Assets.]

The Bloombergs in America would love to do the same thing but the Occult Positive Force of the sacred 1776 Document is subduing the beast within such dictatorial people.

But for how long? That is the question.

What would the critics of OWS do if they went en-masse to protest an election fraud and get thrashed?

Mr Obama can easily justify in his hypnotic speeches [He is a master of NLP] about how the anti-fraud demonstration is a foreign threat, after he wins in 2012 [should he win by dubious means]. In fact, all this brutality looks like a carefully planned dress rehearsal for what is going to come in 2012, either after a controversial election or a deliberate dollar crash.

They are calculating in stages what can create the worst crowd reaction, they are calculating the tolerance levels of brutality, the number of riot police needed, the google/fb accounts of activists, reactions of public, public awareness of human rights laws, ethical lawyers with antipathy to brutality and probably innovative ways to jam video broadcasts of human rights violations.

posted November 17, 2011 08:24 AM            

They're coming to take you away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take you away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa

To the occult funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time!

Obama The Man Behind Occupy Crackdown
by Roger Hedgecock
11/17/2011

Violent, lice-ridden and foul-mouthed with high self-esteem. Ignorant spoiled brats shouting incoherent rage. The Occupiers. The perfect product of the government education machine. Obama's shock troops in the war to "utterly transform America."

In the last two months, the Occupy movement has spawned hundreds of illegal camps and many reports of drug overdoses, rape, robbery and death.

The American public has had enough. Obama got the message. In the last two weeks, cities across the country, led by some of the most liberal pro-Occupy, pro-Obama mayors, have used police to clear the camps. What happened?

Only a month ago, the President praised Occupy, saying the protesters "express the frustrations that the American people feel."

Then last week, the camps were suddenly cleared in cities across the country.

In New York on the order of Mayor Bloomberg​, who had protected Occupy Wall Street (OWS); in Oakland, Calif., where Mayor Jean Quan had apologized to Occupy when Oakland police had earlier confronted the protesters; and in Portland, Ore., where Mayor Sam Adams had praised the Occupy protesters when the camps were first set up.

In dozens of key cities where liberal mayors echoed the Obama line that Occupy represented the frustrations of the American people, the violence, lawlessness and incoherence produced a profound backlash. Defecating on the American flag and on a police car did not win the hearts and minds of the frustrated American voter.

Public opinion was turning against the Occupy movement and threatening to derail Obama's reelection juggernaut. Obama never moves faster than when he perceives it's time to throw someone (in this case an entire movement) under the bus to advance his political fortunes.

It is now coming out that, in city after city, the crackdown on Occupy camps was coordinated with federal agencies. Behind the scenes, Obama led the Occupy crackdown.

Local law enforcement agencies in cities with Occupy camps were advised by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security​ (DHS) on a range of tactics, planning and preparation.

According to blog reports, local police received legal advice from federal agencies on establishing, through local zoning laws and curfew ordinances, the legal bases for the evictions. Tactical advice included the ideal show of force, the hour to strike, and coordination with, and assistance from, various federal agencies.

The FBI​ reportedly advised on press relations, urging cities to begin the camp clearing when the press was least likely to be present.

Oakland Mayor Quan confirmed to the BBC that 18 mayors had participated in a conference call before the crackdown to share this tactical and practical advice on how to stop a movement that they had encouraged.

In Pittsburgh, DHS did a "threat assessment" on Occupy for local police. Because this assessment did not mention "terrorism," is DHS now doing these assessments for political purposes?

In Portland, the protesters got pictures of DHS agents helping arrest Occupiers who refused to go.

Confronted with evidence of federal involvement in coordinating the crackdown, the FBI, the DHS and local police departments have all clammed up.

posted November 17, 2011 08:42 PM            

By Maura Judkis

When Occupy marched in downtown Seattle on Tuesday night, a priest, a pregnant teenager and an 84-year-old community activist were doused in pepper spray. Although there have been many striking images of violence and peace in Occupy encampments, and many faces of the movement, none may be as immediately striking as this image of Dorli Rainey, taken by Joshua Trujillo.

Seattle activist Dorli Rainey, 84, reacts after being hit with pepper spray during an Occupy Seattle protest on Nov. 15 at Westlake Park in Seattle. (Joshua Trujillo - AP)

"Rainey’s direct gaze at the camera as her face drips with pepper spray is a haunting, cinematic image of brutality, emphasized even more by the chiaroscuro of dark gloved hands holding her head up to lead her to safety. Dashiell Bennett of the Atlantic has speculated that this image may become the defining one of Occupy unrest."

yes, another image of the herpes- ridden pox riddled, unwashed protester.

posted November 18, 2011 04:14 AM            

If the planned Spring protest does not have Democrat backing, we will see body bags. Police will claim the "self defense" excuse or some other excuse like "terrorists have infiltrated".

Tough times ahead in 2012, and I think we will see this even in Europe once the Euro rescue frauds collapse but I do not think European cops will spray or kill their own people. At least not the 80+ ladies.

posted November 18, 2011 08:11 AM            

A Lunar Eclipse occurs on June 4, 2012 at 14 degrees and 14 minutes of Sagittarius and Gemini....

The third in the Occultation series of Venus (started in '04) is on June 5:

eclipse charts 2012<>http://cafeastrology.com/2012eclipsescharts.html

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Perhaps the most concise way of defining the modern world view is a focus on that which distinguishes it from virtually all other world views. Speaking very generally, what sets the modern mind apart is its fundamental tendency to assert and experience a radical separation between subject and object, a distinct division between the human self and the encompassing world. This perspective can be contrasted with what has come to be called the primal world view, characteristic of traditional indigenous cultures. The primal mind does not maintain this decisive division, does not recognize it, whereas the modern mind not only maintains it but is essentially constituted on it.

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read more Here

posted November 18, 2011 09:07 AM            

IQ, try to pull your head out of where it doesn't belong.

Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn is a very far left demoscat...which makes McGinn as far away from a conservative as it's possible to be.

It's the Mayor of Seattle who directs and controls police policy and actions in the city of Seattle...where the geriatric professional whiner was pepper sprayed.

In fact, hate and violence always comes from the bird brained political far left...Communists, Socialists, Progressives and Anarchists.

It was O'Bomber who told his rag-tag band of "community organizers" and street people to "go out and get in people's faces"

The violence by and against these moronic Communists, Socialists, Progressives and Anarchists who are demanding the overthrow of the United States and the US economic system is happening in cities under direct control of liberal-leftist administrations.

Not a conservative in sight.

posted November 18, 2011 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Node:
Occupy’s 84-year-old pepper spray victim: Is this the most iconic image of the movement?

By Maura Judkis

When Occupy marched in downtown Seattle on Tuesday night, a priest, a pregnant teenager and an 84-year-old community activist were doused in pepper spray. Although there have been many striking images of violence and peace in Occupy encampments, and many faces of the movement, none may be as immediately striking as this image of Dorli Rainey, taken by Joshua Trujillo.

Seattle activist Dorli Rainey, 84, reacts after being hit with pepper spray during an Occupy Seattle protest on Nov. 15 at Westlake Park in Seattle. (Joshua Trujillo - AP)

"Rainey’s direct gaze at the camera as her face drips with pepper spray is a haunting, cinematic image of brutality, emphasized even more by the chiaroscuro of dark gloved hands holding her head up to lead her to safety. Dashiell Bennett of the Atlantic has speculated that this image may become the defining one of Occupy unrest."

yes, another image of the herpes- ridden pox riddled, unwashed protester.

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Let's get the story right Node. I noticed you cut out a fair portion of the article:
http://mynorthwest.com/284/579417/Little-sympathy-for-84yearold-woman-pepper-sprayed-at-Occupy-protest

A dramatic picture of an 84-year-old woman pepper sprayed by police as part of Tuesday night's Occupy Seattle protest march has gone global. But after blocking traffic during rush hour on a busy downtown Seattle street, the little old lady and the other protestors are getting little sympathy.

Seattle police ordered the protestors to disperse as dozens marched from their camp at Seattle Central Community College on Capitol Hill, and when they refused officers used pepper spray to break up the crowd.

"Pepper spray was deployed only against subjects who were either refusing a lawful order to disperse or engaging in assaultive behavior toward officers," Seattle Police spokesman Jeff Kappel wrote on the department's blog.Among those getting a face-full of pepper spray was 84-year-old grandmother Dorli Rainey, a well known local activist.

"I'm not in favor of pepper spraying an 84-year-old woman, but why are you there and not obeying police orders if you don't want to be pepper sprayed?" asked 97.3 KIRO FM host Dave Ross. "Because they will do that. We've learned that, we've known that since at least 1999 and WTO."

Protest organizers strongly criticized the police response.

One Occupy Seattle spokesman who calls himself "Karssen" admitted to 97.3 KIRO FM's Dori Monson the protestors were not without fault, but argues police should have spoken with individuals and asked them to leave the area rather than just indiscriminately spraying what he insists were "peaceful protestors."

"What happened last night was a debacle, ok? Nobody looked good last night. We looked stupid but the police department looked even dumber," said Karssen.

Eyewitnesses and videos of the incident corroborate reports police ordered the crowd to disperse several times and warned pepper spray would be deployed.

"What are they supposed to do, let a bunch of protestors who don't have a permit take over a major downtown intersection, blocking people and leaving people trapped in their cars for hours at a time just trying to get home to their families?," asked Monson.

Police spokesman Kappel says protestors assaulted several officers, including several trying to arrest a 17-year-old woman who swung a stick at police.

But 97.3 KIRO FM's hosts Ron and Don argue the police response was extremely restrained, pointing out the officers were in normal uniform and not riot gear and tried repeatedly to verbally break up the protest rather than taking a stronger physical action.

"They're lucky they didn't get bean bagged, they're lucky they didn't get rubber bullets, didn't get Tazed," said Don O'Neill. "I don't care if you're 8 or 84. If a cop tells you not to sit in the street, don't sit in the street. The 84-year-old woman had it coming."

"I applaud people for getting into the street. That's part of our freedom," adds co-host Ron Upshaw.

"But when you start beating an officer with a stick and then you go in to free that person when they're getting arrested, you deserve to get pepper sprayed."

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From her own mouth:

The life-long activist said it was well worth it.

On Nov. 16, Rainey was blasted with pepper spray by Seattle police.

"These volleys of tear gas, pepper spray coming out, and descending on all these people. I'm surprised there were not real serious injuries," she said.

At first glance, Rainey may be the least likely Occupy Seattle protestor.

"There is a reason why we do what we do. And we are not all druggies and hippie kids, and nose rings and unemployed rats," she said.

She was there for the pushing and shoving between police and protesters outside a Chase bank on Capital Hill two weeks ago and she supports the tactics of the demonstrators, who at times have turned to civil disobedience.

"That's what it takes, and that's what we're having to do. You have to get their attention," she said.

Rainey, a Queen Anne resident, speaks from experience — she's been an anti-war activist, since growing up in Austria during WWII.

http://www.myfoxspokane.com/news/kcpq-84yearold-woman-pepper-sprayed-by-seattle-police-20111117,0,3451497.story

She knew what she was getting into especially since she has been a community activist since the 1950's.

The stuff dripping off her face is not pepper spray, it is a neutralizing solution used to counter the effects of pepper spray.

Next time use a real case and not some media induced knee jerk reaction to a picture of a seemingly innocent elderly woman who in fact is a well known activist that endorses "civil disobedience"

Is she a lice carrying Occupooper? Heck no, she is one of the wealthier ones that will go back to her home at the end of each protest day and sit in her warm living room while watching the lice-balls on TV.

posted November 18, 2011 06:12 PM            

Anyway, for the rest of you, I've been collecting a sort of "scrap book" of Occupy Wall Street stuff on my tumblr: http://kidkvlt.tumblr.com/tagged/occupy_wall_street

Also, of COURSE the protestors are dirty, they're camping out in the rain and cold to send a message. Do you think they have showers out there? It doesn't make their message any less relevant.

posted November 18, 2011 07:21 PM            

"articles"

Lets get the story right? In your dreams archer.

What I offered was one icon worthy photo of an 84 year old protester. Of course she knew what she was 'getting into'! do you think she is out there protesting in the cold weather for a good time?

If you feel that is selective editing.... your problem.

do try to come up with original criticisms in future 'K?

I've noticed that you only send snotty replies that mimic something JW just typed in other threads.

lame.

Why is her being a seasoned protester to her detriment? Are we to think less of her for it?

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amowls**

agreed. That people focus on supposed hygiene issues, and the slovenly great unwashed only proves what little thought they have put into what is being said at these protests.

In fact one of the few media types that gets it at all is Matt Taibbi
of RS Mag.

People are fed up with the system in it's entirety. It is morally bankrupt. I do not like where we are headed.

The first time in my adult life that I am actually afraid for our future. I didn't feel this fear on 9/11, but I feel it now.

posted November 18, 2011 07:30 PM            

I've noticed all over this board, doesn't matter if the reply is directly following or not, photos get reposted because people are too lazy to edit the quotes.

posted November 18, 2011 08:25 PM            

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Protester and three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen

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why is it that I have to go to sources like the Guardian? I think that the media are treading dangerous waters to no have this video all over the 6:00 News and the front page of every paper in the damn country