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BearsArcher
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posted November 18, 2011 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, it is not that they are "dirty" from camping. Soldiers get dirty from 30-60 days in the field or 12 months in Afghanistan / Iraq. The difference is that Soldiers know that good hygiene is important to health.

You know who else knows that? Boy Scouts. They know that there are necessary precautions one must take when they are in an area without water to bathe.

Campers- well that would be another group of people that don't let the scum settle on their bodies.

Hmmmm- OWS and communicable diseases:

Zuccotti Lung and Tuberculosis:

With little sleep in cold conditions, cigarettes and drinks being passed from mouth to mouth, and few opportunities to wash hands, Zuccotti Park may now just be the best place to catch respiratory viruses, norovirus (also known as the winter vomiting virus) and tuberculosis, according to one doctor.

The damp clothing and cardboard signs wet with rain are also breeding grounds for mold. Some protesters are urinating in bottles and leaving food trash discarded throughout the campground, providing further opportunities for nastiness.

There is also the increased risk among the encampment of sexually transmitted diseases, said the doctor, Dr. Philip M. Tierno, Jr. of the NYU Langone Medical Center. And the site's pounding circles could lead to hearing damage.

Tierno compared conditions at the park to the pilgrimage to Mecca, in which entire groups of people have come down with respiratory infections in short period of time, and the communal compounds of the 1960s where sanitation problems and STDs cropped up
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Zuccotti-Lung-Park-Sickness-Demonstrators-Protesters-Illness-133669113.html


TB- Pulmonary tuberculosis (TB) is caused by the bacteria Mycobacterium tuberculosis (M. tuberculosis). You can get TB by breathing in air droplets from a cough or sneeze of an infected person. This is called primary TB.

In the United States, most people will recover from primary TB infection without further evidence of the disease. The infection may stay asleep or inactive (dormant) for years. However, in some people it can reactivate.

"Your risk of contracting TB increases if you:

•Are in frequent contact with people who have TB

•Have poor nutrition

•Live in crowded or unsanitary living conditions"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001141/

Lice, Scabies:


New York City’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg ”finally decided to wipe Zuccotti Park clean after learning about a rancid outbreak of scabies, lice and lung ailments among protesters,” reports the New York Post.

Cleanliness:


“There was a collective sigh of relief — and good riddance — from the residents and business owners surrounding Zuccotti Park yesterday,” reported the Post’s Lachlan Cartwright, Laurel Babcock and Chuck Bennett. ”After two months of impenetrable barricades, aggressive panhandling, public urination and seemingly
interminable drumming — locals were beaming over getting back their lives and livelihoods after cops cleared the park.”

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2011/11/ny-post-scabies-lice-at-occupy-wall-street-prompt-mayor-to-hose-the-place-down.php#ixzz1e6uiUAXq

Scabies:

Scabies is found worldwide among people of all groups and ages. It is spread by direct contact with infected people, and less often by sharing clothing or bedding. Sometimes whole families are affected.

Outbreaks of scabies are more common in nursing homes, nursing facilities, and child care centers.

The mites that cause scabies burrow into the skin and deposit their eggs, forming a burrow that looks like a pencil mark. Eggs mature in 21 days. The itchy rash is an allergic response to the mite.

Scabies is spread by skin-to-skin contact with another person who has scabies.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001833/


Like so many cities where Occupy camps have taken hold, officials are concerned about the health and safety of those camped out in San Lorenzo Park, and are working with protesters to keep drugs, alcohol and human waste out of the camp.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/occupy-santa-cruz-occupied-by-scabies-ringworm#ixzz1e6vdkPIt

It is amazing that we are living in 2011 and people still can't get that proper hygiene can stop 99% of the diseases spreading throughout the camps. There are facilities people can use and it is illegal to boil water (due to an open flame) then do the next sensible thing, don't camp!

Moldy clothes, smoking, drinking (sharing smokes and drinks), sharing bedding, not washing and unprotected sexual contact are all contributing to the spread of the disease. Defecating anywhere and everywhere as well as urinating near tents and food sources is just nasty! We are not in the Middle Ages, we are living in a time when we know better.

Those are the facts. Diseases don't care what your socioeconmic, racial or political background is.

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BearsArcher
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posted November 18, 2011 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Node:

Earlier this month:
Kayvan Sabeghi Injured: Second Iraq War Vet Hurt During Oakland Clash With Police

I will post the new vid tomorrow...( it is 404 right now.)


Is he special because he is a war vet? Being a former or current Soldier does not prevent someone from being stupid and clashing with police.

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posted November 19, 2011 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re-post from end of Page 7

Earlier this month:
Kayvan Sabeghi Injured: Second Iraq War Vet Hurt During Oakland Clash With Police.

quote:
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Protester and three-tour American veteran Kayvan Sabehgi was beaten by Oakland police during the Occupy protest's general strike on 2 November. Sabehgi, who was 'completely peaceful', according to witnesses, was left with a lacerated spleen
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/nov/18/occupy-oakland-veter an-beaten-police-video?INTCMP=SRCH

why is it that I have to go to sources like the Guardian? I think that the media are treading dangerous waters to not have this video all over the 6:00 News and the front page of every paper in the country

If incidents like these were to have occurred in Tea Bagger Rallies someone would be dead, and then you would have a front page.

Oh, they already HAD the front page!


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posted November 19, 2011 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

image published on the Guardian.com
Adam Gabbatt, reporter and blogger for the Guardian, discuss the video that was released of the Nov. 2 attack on Iraq veteran Kayvan Sabehgi in Oakland during Occupy protests and details from the cameraman who provided the footage to the Guardian. Gabbatt confirms that the city of Oakland’s police department is investigating the incident, but he notes that so many police agencies – estimates are at 17 – being involved during the protest may require “a proper external body to come in and examine what’s been going on there.”

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posted November 19, 2011 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"your poster boy Ronnie grew government by leaps and bounds. your halo wearing *elephantine* party offers amendment after amendment to that revered DOC up to 40 per year! many of which would encroach on my rights!"...Node

The "Deal" Reagan struck with Tip O'Neil called for 3 dollars of spending reductions for every dollar of tax increases.

But, demoscats are liars at the base of their beings and demoscats increased spending 3 dollars for every dollar of tax reductions. Deficit city!

Which is the precise reason Republicans are not willing to agree to spending increases NOW with demoscat promises to reduce taxes in the sweet by and by...because future congresses cannot be bound by the actions of today's congress.

You're beating a dead horse Node. More than 70% of Americans want a Balanced Budget Amendment to the United States Constitution. Americans are revolted by demoscats spending America into bankruptcy and intend to restrain demoscats from spending their tax money on a cornacopia of blithering idiocy.

If you can find those "Rights" you mentioned in the US Constitution...then, and only then, do you have them. If not, you're talking about "Privileges". So far as "Privileges" are concerned..."the Good Lord giveth and the the Good Lord taketh away."

One of the so called "rights" leftists adore ardently is the so called "right" to kill babies...by means no court in the United States would permit for execution of serial killers.

But, those babies have "rights" too. You'll find those "rights" enshrined in the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution.

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

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posted November 19, 2011 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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is he special because he is a war vet? Being a former or current Soldier does not prevent someone from being stupid and clashing with police.
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Is clashing with the police stupid even if the police break the constitutional laws?

We have to think why someone who was ready to die for the nation is protesting. And when he was peaceful, why was he bashed up.

This guy was willing to die to protect the same cowardly cops from future terror attacks. And they attacked him.

Why should he or his peers not take revenge when those that should protect him from exploiters start attacking him.

This is a very precarious situation. I did not expect American war vets to be brutally attacked.

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posted November 25, 2011 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We have to think why someone who was ready to die for the nation is protesting.

This is a fine question and worthy of further consideration. Shame it was ignored.

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posted November 26, 2011 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting hypothesis here:


https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy

yes, in these days of VOLUNTEER armies, one has to wonder why a vet would be protesting. in the days of the draft a vet could be anti-war BEFORE service, but not now.

one also has to wonder why the COORDINATED move against Occupiers across the country and still not ONE politician has protested the beating of citizens exercising their rights. maybe the article above is right?

and yes, jwhop, i know they are inconvenient to business-as-usual. that is a very relevant point and part of the message. they are still citizens with a right to a voice however stupid you may think they are. not one of them has brought a gun to prove their point. YET.


as to babies' rights, what about the fetus who lost its right to life when policeman beat its mother in the abdomen AFTER she said she was pregnant and pled for him not to?

do you really think police in riot gear are necessary for the removal of unarmed sick people, old ladies and pregnant young women?

zucotti park is private property. i agree they should leave. however i do not agree that the oakland branch of OWS is worthy of the full attendance of its police force (in a city where crime is all too common anyway) while real crimes are being committed..

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posted November 26, 2011 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when WWI vets protested in washington herbert hoover brought in the military to BURN them out (led by douglas macarthur).

the suffragettes endured appalling treatment for years, along with severe criticism from the press and establishment.

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posted November 27, 2011 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what of the journalists that were asked to hold up press passes and were then rounded up to be taken from the park? Arrested, beaten there and in other cities, the press have been barred from covering the story.

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_Naomi Wolf for the Guardian..

I noticed that rightwing pundits and politicians on the TV shows on which I was appearing were all on-message against OWS. Journalist Chris Hayes reported on a leaked memo that revealed lobbyists vying for an $850,000 contract to smear Occupy. Message coordination of this kind is impossible without a full-court press at the top. This was clearly not simply a case of a freaked-out mayors', city-by-city municipal overreaction against mess in the parks and cranky campers. As the puzzle pieces fit together, they began to show coordination against OWS at the highest national levels



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-tr uth-about-crackdown-occupy

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posted November 28, 2011 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In any group, including the US military, you can always find a few who are out of step with the values of America...including some who call themselves "soldiers" but were never in combat and in some cases...never in the US military at all.

We've all seen this movie before. During the Iraq War protests, leftists dragged phony soldiers in front of cameras to denounce the war.

During the Vietnam War protests, leftists, like John Traitor Kerry, dragged a coven of "phony soldiers" from the so called "Winter Soldiers" communist brigade who were never in the military, or never in Vietman or were not who they claimed to be in front of cameras to make lying accusations against the US military and against America.

Just one more dog eared page out of the leftist playbook.

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posted November 28, 2011 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no one dragged these guys in front of cameras, jwhop. that is about as on point as your describing herman cain's alleged harassment as only because he described someone's height around his chin. you know that is far from what the flack is about.

a "few" soldiers form a large group of "veterans for peace" and "iraq vets against the war". they are not the whole armed forces, for sure, but since when is unanimity necessary for recognition?

those vets who were injured were all multiple-tour iraq vets, and they were not DRAGGED anywhere but there under their own impetus.

in the meantime, what do YOU think of possible DHS and white house complicity in the over the top police tactics being used across the country against peaceful protesters while the rest of their cities do without peace officers??

and what do you think of this?
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/your-front-yard-is-a-battlefield-senate-to-vote-on-legislation-that-allows-u-s-military-to-detain-citizens-without-charge-or-trial_112011

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posted November 28, 2011 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in other words when does the petty/pathetic arguing over split hairs cease to amuse and we get down to what is going on right under our noses?

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posted November 28, 2011 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is all that sad game of disenfranchisement Katatonic.

If the vets, policemen, councilmen, and other members of society are given the spin of JW and his ilk we have disenfranchisement. Their protest, their very words are to become nothing. For they are in fact nothing they are but small numbers of society.

The poll master will have to chose which pill he wants to swallow. The majority agree with much of what is being protested. Poll after poll shows this.

Only those who are morally bankrupt would choose status quo. Stasis, static, non movement to a better what?

The poor are largely in the suburbs now-> http://www.economist.com/node/17257857< this from 2010!
Nowhere to run when poverty comes to your neighborhood.

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