posted May 13, 2012 10:44 AM            

yes i am sure you would pick the UNREPENTANT bully over someone who reflects on his former mistakes and corrects them. just like your goodself.

as to the majority yay or nay on gay marriage, i think most americans believe in equal rights for all. whether they have the courage to come out and say so in public or not, is questionable. that is one reason we have secret ballot voting...

however the trend even in some midwest bastions of christianity is toward LEGAL marriage for ALL, not just those who are afraid to be different.

what was that remark about the majority believing the earth was flat back in the day? didn't you call the majority SHEEP then?

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posted May 13, 2012 10:58 AM            

So, how about backing that up with some actual facts instead of bloviating.

Gay marriage has failed in every state where gay marriage was put to a vote by the people.

How about attempting to address this information. After all, it was your assertion in the first place.

Yes, yes katatonic, we all know how confused Californians really are. So, if you want to use confusion as an excuse for gay marriage failing when put to a vote by Californians...be my guest!

posted May 13, 2012 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
gotta love your "doper, boozer" slur, jwhop, had a martini yet today? you did nothing foolish when young? you were young once, weren't you?

i'm with tautomer, T and NJ. this is like wading through a sewage plant. i've had enough of this highminded bigotry.

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Didn't you say, yesterday, that you always try to be kind to people? Where dat go

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posted May 13, 2012 11:05 AM            

Yeah katatonic, I once did something I regretted..when I was in high school.

I hit an opposing batter with a fastball that sailed up and in, hit him in the head, cracked his batting helmet and gave him a concussion!

But, I didn't cut classes, didn't booze and certainly didn't do drugs....like our doper, boozing, class cutting prez with the fried brain did.

"what was that remark about the majority believing the earth was flat back in the day? didn't you call the majority SHEEP then?"

posted May 13, 2012 11:26 AM            

ami, i said, whenever possible. but i don't suffer fools with my mouth taped shut.

which principles do you follow from the bible? leviticus? that pre-christian work that doesn't like homosexuality? but approves of selling your girlchild into slavery?

i have rarely said ANYthing about being in obama's camp. i am in the OPPOSITE camp to the hating, smearing, rigidthinking propagandist who can't see anything BUT obama even when the topic is elsewhere. but you are welcome to chirp along beside him till the cows come home. obama isn't even a human being to you, just a symbol of all you fear. many people would be able to see that as a red flag that you are slightly offbase, but that's the trouble with spooks, isn't it? they're so hard to see!

maybe the two of you can hold the tide back with your bare hands. good luck with that. we wouldn't want to move forward - that is a communist plot!

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posted May 13, 2012 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Excuse me..Aquacheeka but you're the one who made the assertion that "most" Americans now support gay marriage.

So, how about backing that up with some actual facts instead of bloviating.

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posted May 13, 2012 11:42 AM            

Now, if you can find a state...in America..where gay marriage was adopted by an actual vote of the citizens of the state...I'd be very interested in reading all about it.

"oh forgive me it was ami who used the word sheep. jwhop used the word FOOLS. my bad."...katatonic

Well katatonic, it is bad, very bad that you just keep digging the hole you're already in, deeper and deeper!

posted May 13, 2012 11:52 AM            

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I genuinely do, and it's because he voiced his support back when he was a Congressman. He redacted to "civil union support" because that was a "safer" political move 4/5 years ago.... I've stated multiple times that both Romney and Obama have done flip-flops according to public opinion and in line with party views on key social issues. I think it's lame in either case. Politicians are not honest, though.

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posted May 13, 2012 12:06 PM            

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Yeah, our doper, boozing prez was discussed..by me katatonic and only because there are some here who think Romney's so called bullying in 1965 is a big, big, big political issue.

I'll take the former bully...Romney over the doper, boozing pres with the fried brain..any day.

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Actually, Obama's experimentation with drugs is in line with his higher-than-average IQ. It is one of the symptoms of high IQ which unfortunately suffers from selective pressure against it.

Some evidence: http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=high-iq-kids-later -try-drugs-more-11-11-22. Other examples of unfortunate social and other consequences to high IQ are male baldness, lower libido/virility, male monogamy (this is a culturally desirable tendency but from a selective standpoint is another reason that the high-IQ are less likely to propogate their genes), lefthandedness, and staying up later than average (which is detrimental in our early-bird society).

posted May 13, 2012 02:09 PM            

O'Bomber doesn't have a higher than average IQ. So, that excuse for his expertise as a doper, boozer and class cutter goes straight out the window. His unfocused speech and inability to even speak coherently without a teleprompter is evidence enough to convince rational people his IQ is average...at best.

Couple that with his incredible stupidity in domestic, economic and foreign policy and the picture emerges that he's sub-normal in intelligence.

Of course, it could be argued that O'Bomber is on a mission to attack the United States and Americans from within...on domestic issues, energy issues, economic issues and foreign policy issues leaving America at risk to further terrorist attacks....and if you want to make those points...well, I could certainly see your point!

Let's not forget what you asserted Aquacheeka.

posted May 13, 2012 06:49 PM            

too lazy to do an internet search and think for yourself?

ok here is one, that is all I can be bothered with.

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Polls in 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States
A May 10 USA Today/Gallup Poll, taken one day after Barack Obama became the first sitting President to express support for same-sex marriage, showed 51% of Americans agreed with the President's endorsement.
A May 8 Gallup Poll showed plurality support for same-sex marriage nationwide, with 50% in favor and 48% opposed.

An April Pew Research Center poll showed support for same-sex marriage at 47%, while opposition fell to an all-time low of 43%.

A March 7-10 ABC News/Washington Post poll found 52% of adults thought it should be legal for same-sex couples to get married, while 42% disagreed and 5% were unsure. A March survey by the Public Religion Research Institute found 52% of Americans supported allowing same-sex couples to marry, while 44% opposed.

A February 29 - March 3 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 49% of adults supported allowing same-sex couples to marry, while 40% opposed.

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why would anyone oppose a civil right?
gay marriage boosts the economies in all of the states that have done it.

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posted May 13, 2012 07:24 PM            

People in states have expressed their opinion about gay marriage. In every single instance where it's been on the ballot for voters to decide, it's lost every time.

In fact, 31 states....by voters expressing their opinions at the ballot box...have Constitutional Amendments which do not permit the state to recognize gay marriages.

Ummm, that's pretty overwhelming evidence of where the vast majority stand on the issue of gay marriage.

posted May 14, 2012 12:10 AM            

@ami, and jwhop, i notice that when you don't like the way the people vote you give thanks to high heaven that we are a REPUBLIC not a democracy. but when you do like it, the sheeple are THE PEOPLE and their voice is sacrosanct.

@ami, to answer your barb earlier, i never said i am always kind, but i haven't been particularly rude TODAY. jwhop is famous for his love of martinis, who cares if he likes a cocktail? but just because prohibition on that particular substance was deemed impossibly impractical, doesn't make him any holier than someone who tried those still prohibited drugs in college. nothing mean in pointing that out, just a fact relevant to jwhop's life.

and jwhop, i find it hard to believe that you never did anything you might be embarrassed by now when you were in school. and no, i don't mean accidents in a baseball game, which make a completely IRRELEVANT reply.