posted May 01, 2013 04:00 PM            

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posted May 01, 2013 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Tables aren't people, and that only occurred once. You believing he would beat someone up, and him doing it are two different things. When they came for Jesus, one of the disciples asked if they should smite the group. Jesus didn't answer before an ear had been cut off. Jesus then healed the ear, and went with the people that would see him beaten and killed.

8 Finally, be ye all likeminded, compassionate, loving as brethren, tenderhearted, humbleminded:

9 [b]not rendering evil for evil, or reviling for reviling; but contrariwise blessing; for hereunto were ye called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

10 For, He that would love life, And see good days, Let him refrain his tongue from evil, And his lips that they speak no guile:

11 And let him turn away from evil, and do good; Let him seek peace, and pursue it.

12 For the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, And his ears unto their supplication: But the face of the Lord is upon them that do evil.

13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be zealous of that which is good?

14 But even if ye should suffer for righteousness' sake, blessed are ye: and fear not their fear, neither be troubled;

15 but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear:

16 having a good conscience; that, wherein ye are spoken against, they may be put to shame who revile your good manner of life in Christ.

17 For it is better, if the will of God should so will, that ye suffer for well-doing than for evil-doing.

1 Peter 3:8-17[/B]

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What tickles me every time AG, is mere human beings believe they can have righteous anger Anger for sure but righteous , not.

They think they are on the level with jesus, go figure.

posted May 01, 2013 05:14 PM            

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Look, you can quote Scripture and I can quote Scripture.

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Sure...we could, but there isn't much that could be interpreted as Jesus advocating violence. He wasn't about violence. He was about love and forgiveness.

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You are asking to take Jesus into modern times and have him out with a date in a bad neighborhood with thugs attacking his g/f.

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You mean I am being asked. A girlfriend would be a distraction from Jesus' message (as well as a show of favoritism towards one person), so there wouldn't likely be a girlfriend in the picture. There's no evidence to suggest that Jesus would kill for any of us, but there is evidence that he would die for any of us.

posted May 01, 2013 05:27 PM            

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posted May 05, 2013 03:06 AM            

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Or is it weirder that in large sections of America, we don't feel truly close to God unless we're strapped? For instance, did you hear that Arkansas passed a law specifically to allow concealed guns in church? Did you wonder why in the hell they went out of their way to draft that law and then pass it and publicize it? It wasn't over some famous church shooting or anything like that. It's because it appears there's a whole branch of Christianity where automatic pistols are part of the worship service. Search Google for "gun Bible" images, see what you find:

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Anyway, next week I explain it to the Californians who asked...and I think share that article with them as well (if interested). That, and this (since they were in Texas after all, and I can't wait to get the school teacher's reaction to it):
http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2013/03/abbott-wants-guns-and-bibles-in-schools/

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No one ever accused Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott of being indirect.

In his latest political ad causing a social media stir, the state’s top lawman tackles two issues central to the state’s conservative base: guns and religion. The ad, posted on Abbott’s Facebook page on Wednesday, features a photo of a handgun next to a Bible.

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posted May 05, 2013 07:22 AM            

I wanted to talk about the states with conceal and carry laws. They have LESS violence. I am going to join the NRA today, lifetime member.

Guns keep people safe from bad people with guns. It is a scientific fact.

Blessings to you, Pire.

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posted May 05, 2013 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was just going to come on and talk about guns. Those pictures are so sad. That little child is with God, now.

I wanted to talk about the states with conceal and carry laws. They have [b] LESS violence. I am going to join the NRA today, lifetime member.

Guns keep people safe from bad people with guns. It is a scientific fact.

Blessings to you, Pire.

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are you trying to put the responsability of your choice to join the NRA on me because I posted those two pics that make you see what gunshots do ?
guns are nice lil objects, that keep killers at a safe distance, not like knifes, so sometimes it is good to come closer.

the choices you make are your decision. nothing does make you go where you don't want to, you proved it many times here, so don't try to manipulate me. the only one you fool is yourself, with what it implies karmically.

posted May 05, 2013 07:54 AM            

Actually, I hate being near guns or even touching them, as I am a gentle person by nature

However, I want fine, good people to have them and have them concealed, so they can shoot people like the Boston Marathon bombers and hence save innocent lives.

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posted May 05, 2013 08:37 AM            

I could post pix of brutalized women raped and/or murdered who had been unarmed and then share about an elderly woman I know who fended off a home invader with a gun she carried concealed and asked if you thought she should have been just another victim. Or kids who were hacked apart by a lunatic with a pitchfork (assuming any pix are on the net, hope those don't exist) which gun control made possible.

And I could also post similarly graphic pix of car accidents but does that justify an anti-car position or demonize drivers or does it reflect the importance of safe and responsible driving so that we can maximize their use while minimizing their risk? And would it have a place in a thread about why it's mostly certain guys that love sports cars?

And maybe next time abortion comes up, even if in a specific rather than general way, someone against it should share graphic pix of aborted fetuses and ask if we're willing to take on the karma of that.

Ditto on the innocent (including children) murdered by the drones approved by Obama and your tax dollars through totally unacceptable strikes and then ask if you accept that karma and that action in your name.

In any case, those pix are irrelevant to this thread as they have nothing to do with the connection between Christianity and guns. If you want to make them relevant instead of emotional drivel then at least make them pix of what Christians have done with guns in the name of Christ within the United States, but really even that is not necessary.

posted May 05, 2013 08:43 AM            

my point in posting those pics was to answer an impression I got from the pic you posted with a gun next to the bible. i thought "well, this object is very pretty, clean, seems simple and to some extent, it gives an impression of being powerful". that is where my reaction stemmed from. I thought this type of object tend to make "horrible" things pretty easy because, unlike a knife, guns create a distance between the gun and its victim.

and thought it was necessary to remind everyone, particularily those in favor of guns, what they were supporting.

posted May 05, 2013 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
thought it was necessary to remind everyone, particularily those in favor of guns, what they were supporting.

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Oh dear. I MUST eat something and wake up fully before I respond to this. But I WILL respond.

posted May 05, 2013 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Yeah, guns kill. Innocent unarmed people die every day from them.

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banning guns won't stop people being killed. people are killed everyday in places where guns are not allowed.

the difference?

posted May 05, 2013 09:28 PM            

That aside, EVEN IF this was a thread on general gun safety or what guns can do then I'd still dislike them for being an appeal to emotion with the intent to bypass rational thought. In addition there are guilt by association ("everyone with a gun is a murderer and ticking time bomb") and outright straw man (implying that anyone who supports the 2A even in part is also defending the shooting of someone presumably innocent in the head). In short, these are false inferences and logical fallacies that are as accurate as saying, "Voting for Obama is voting for the terrorists to win" ("supporting the 2A in any form is supporting people shot in the head").

To add why it's pointless it can be turned around. Guns have saved all too many lives in so many ways, and genocide has followed gun bans in a great many countries, and there are even pix of some of these horrors that I could find on the net and post here if I want. Yet it doesn't say much about the reality of guns or gun control themselves, and pretending that it does is much like racists who say "black people are dumber because they average with lower IQs" without taking into the account the poverty (and thus lack of nutrition, schooling, nurturing, etc). It's just not that simple.

And if you want to put a face on those killed by guns, how about putting a face on the innocents saved by them?

In addition, if I followed your bad example in posting such pix as if they were coherent arguments then it could haunt you in other ways, too, such as when people share pix of aborted fetuses, and then ask if you want that on your karma by not trying to prohibit abortion. But what that overlooks is that prohibiting abortion causes all kinds of other problems such as increased children in poverty, single mothers with no hope, and that leads to increased violence & crime as well as burdened welfare systems and also was a major contributing factor to the violent revolution in Romania as those with a past in their infamous orphanages took a major part in the fighting and spurring on others to do so which led to the only Communist country which was overthrown by shooting the leaders. IOW, it's not as simple as the pix and emotional browbeating would make it out, another reason why posting pix that say nothing but evoke emotion is invalid.

posted May 05, 2013 09:50 PM            

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